From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #282 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Monday, October 4 1999 Volume 03 : Number 282 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Re: NPC: ignorant people and the queers who feel sorry for them.... [] MM: West 54th [Gary Jacques ] MM: Re: West 54th ["Greg Pendleton" ] Re: MM: West 54th [BLUEHEN@webtv.net] MM: NPC: Cruel Intentions [Justduff@aol.com] MM: Sessions stuff ["C. Minter" ] MM: Sessions, bloody fingers, ducks, laughing, M&M's, lasting memories, Patty's band [UMCa] MM: ****Review**** PS , PPS , and PPPS. ["Donald Henn" Subject: MM: Re: NPC: ignorant people and the queers who feel sorry for them.... Loretta, Yes, I do think that homophobic people believe that gays are gross/deviant, whathaveyou. But only on a superficial level. Because I'm also convinced that those who are most uncomfortable w/same-sex relationships and queer folk in general are those who have unresolved feelings about their own sexual orientation. There was actually one study done several years ago which found that men who display hostility toward gay men are more likely than men who have no qualms about gays to get aroused while looking at homoerotic material! Also, I think that many people still think it's "okay" to gay bash; it's kind of one of the last universally accepted forms of harrassment/oppression. Teachers, coaches, coworkers, and even parents, will turn a deaf ear to anti-gay language before they would let a kid get away w/using racist language. That's why, when I feel safe to do so, I try to challenge people who put gays down, sometimes by coming out to them, othertimes by simply asking them why something like 2 girls kissing would bother them so much. I find that most people really don't have an intelligent answer to such a question. Ignorant people fer shur. - --Just my $0.02 - -Wendy J in DC p.s. oh, and just to keep this MM-related: *PATTY ROCKS THE HOUSE!!* - --- LMYERS2HOU@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/2/99 12:37:26 AM Central > Daylight Time, > owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org writes: > > << The situation I had was that I was working > the front desk when one of my > residents came up and we started talking about > the movie Cruel Intentions. > Everything was fine until she said "Oh, they > didn't have to put in that > scene > with the girls kissing, it was disgusting." > She then went on to say that she > "didn't believe in that kind of stuff" and > that what they were doing was > wrong and made her sick. >> > Isn't it amazing that some people can watch > brains and guts strewn all over a > movie screen and not object, but let them show > 2 girls kissing and they go > ballistic? Do you suppose they believe in that > kind of stuff? > Loretta > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 09:07:29 -0400 From: Gary Jacques Subject: MM: West 54th A terrific show. Patty and the band were awesome. It is a really cool set. Now, if only they could have managed to find people who are actually into music, and sat them up front. I'm telling you that crowd up front was scary. Mannequin's would have done a better job. I was recently at a club in Philly, where while the band was rocking everyone stood stone cold still. This must be the new groovy thing to do. I don't get it. And don't write back telling me I'm just being negative. Any honest people on this list that witnessed that scene yesterday will tell you the same. How can your head, let alone your body, not move when Patty and the Band are belting out Flaming Red or Silver Bell. Well it's been great watching Patty go from a 100 seat club called the Tin Angel, three years ago, to Sessions @ West 54th. I knew the first time I heard her, there wasn't much that could get in her way. The three new tunes she played yesterday Silver Bell, Little God and Making Pies are all great. I've heard the first two played at three different shows this year, but it was my first time for Making Pies. Anyway, a great show! Glad I was there. The Evil Gary ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:44:49 -0400 From: "Greg Pendleton" Subject: MM: Re: West 54th Yes, a fantastic show it was and I too saw a few people up front who looked as if they would have rather been elsewhere. Oh well. I was lucky enough to get a front row seat but behind the band, almost directly behind Patty. I had to move for Peter Pan so the cameraman could sit where I had been sitting for the rest of the show. I felt a bit self conscious since I'm sure the camera was pointing in my direction most of the time. Didn't want to cause TOO much of a commotion even though I was restraining myself from jumping up yelling and screaming! Patty and the band sounded great - wished they had played longer, maybe more from LWG? Missed my fav "Poor Man's House", but what a great set. Loved the new songs too. Anybody see her at The Fez in April? I thought "Little God" sounded familiar and thought maybe she had performed it then. Until next time... Greg - ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Jacques To: Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 9:07 AM Subject: MM: West 54th > A terrific show. Patty and the band were awesome. It is a really cool > set. Now, if only they could have managed to find people who are > actually into music, and sat them up front. I'm telling you that crowd > up front was scary. Mannequin's would have done a better job. I was > recently at a club in Philly, where while the band was rocking everyone > stood stone cold still. This must be the new groovy thing to do. I > don't get it. And don't write back telling me I'm just being negative. > Any honest people on this list that witnessed that scene yesterday will > tell you the same. How can your head, let alone your body, not move > when Patty and the Band are belting out Flaming Red or Silver Bell. > Well it's been great watching Patty go from a 100 seat club called the > Tin Angel, three years ago, to Sessions @ West 54th. I knew the first > time I heard her, there wasn't much that could get in her way. The > three new tunes she played yesterday Silver Bell, Little God and Making > Pies are all great. I've heard the first two played at three different > shows this year, but it was my first time for Making Pies. > Anyway, a great show! Glad I was there. > The Evil Gary ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:49:48 -0400 (EDT) From: BLUEHEN@webtv.net Subject: Re: MM: West 54th Evil Gary, you're not so evil! I completely agree with you about getting into the music---how can you not? That experience was one of the most amazing things I've ever witnessed! It was like she was playing at someone's garage bash, it was so laid back and she was able to let her hair down with us (so to speak!) I'm constantly amazed by her voice and it was such an honor to be part of this show! I was disappointed I didn't get to meet any MMers but I didn't want to lose my place i line(or get yelled at by that mean headset lady!) I was the one in the blue weird design shirt and jeans if anyone did meet me! I can't wait to see the show aired! PS: I too saw Patty for the first time at the Tin Angel and though I'm happy for her new successes, I know I'll never get to see her in one of those intimate settings again! Oh well...just complaining... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:10:47 EDT From: Justduff@aol.com Subject: MM: NPC: Cruel Intentions >>residents came up and we started talking about the movie Cruel Intentions. >>Everything was fine until she said "Oh, they didn't have to put in that >>scene with the girls kissing, it was disgusting." >>>Isn't it amazing that some people can watch brains and guts strewn all over a >>>movie screen and not object, but let them show 2 girls kissing and they go >>>ballistic? Do you suppose they believe in that kind of stuff? Loretta This was too full of comment for me to pass up responding. I love Sarah M. Gellar and I would have loved to have been the one kissing her, BUT it was disgusting the way the director chose to keep in the slobbery string hanging between their mouths. EWWWW! How incredibly untactful. Duff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:46:24 -0500 From: "C. Minter" Subject: MM: Sessions stuff Hey all, Wow, I really thought that when I got back in town my mailbox would be chock full of Sessions reviews. C'mon people, you're disappointing me! Well, I must say, I was kinda bummed that Patty only played for an hour. Dave and I went through hell and high water (it was literally planes, trains, and automobiles for this MM'er) to get to NYC and Patty only played for an hour! It was still a great show, though. I actually got to see her perform solo AND play piano, so that was a treat. She even told us a duck joke. It was SO bad, but I still laughed because she was so cute when she told it. Let's see, she cut her finger and started bleeding during "Little God" (which Dave said was a rather appropriate song for her to cut her finger on), introduced a new song ("Makin' Pies), and played the bluesy intro to "Flaming Red" (which this MM'er just LOVES). Most of the techs that were directing people to their seats were nice, but this one woman was so condescending to the men in front of us ("C'mon guys, let's make a decision QUICKLY!"). I wanted to tell her that maybe she needed to take a crash course in human decency before filling out a job application. Patty looked fantastic. She wore her hair up in a claw clip and was wearing a really nice long black leather coat with jeans and very high heeled boots. She always looks so sharp and snazzy! Anyway, I hope other MM'ers post reviews. We were running (literally) late and got to the venue around 3:00 so I didn't get to meet anyone from the list who was in line. PLUS, I didn't see one damn bag of M&M's in anyone else's hands! Oh well...maybe next time. Oh, and to Judith: we ate at Little Saigon on Restaurant Row after the show. It was yummy. -Cristina P.S. NYC is surreal. ************************************** "A few witches burning gets a little toasty here..." -Tori Amos, "God" ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:50:45 EDT From: UMCaner74@aol.com Subject: MM: Sessions, bloody fingers, ducks, laughing, M&M's, lasting memories, Patty's band Hello to all my Mad Mission friends, First of all, I want to apologize to everyone who I had hoped to meet at Sessions. Many, many acts of god delayed me and kept me from getting there early enough to hang with all of you fine supporters of the single greatest musician on this planet. For everyone who couldn't make it to the show...here's just a bit of what you missed... Before I get into Patty's performance, I want to thank the staff of Sessions, and whoever else made this very special event possible for all of us MM'ers to attend. I can't say enough how grateful we should be to these folks for not forgetting Patty's BIGGEST fans! Furthermore, Patty and her band sounded as good as I've ever heard them, the mix was the best I've ever heard it, and the acoustics there were awesome! Patty and the band's performances of Silver Bell, Flaming Red, Goodbye, and Mary were all memerorable. Little God was so powerful that it sent chills down the entire length of my spine. During the song, she cut her finger while picking, and was bleeding all over her guitar. It would be a shame if this song didn't make it on the show just b/c of a little blood. Kinda gives a new meaning to that Springsteen song where he says "bought a brand new six string, played it til my fingers bled" doesn't it? Speaking of Springsteen.... The way the venue is set up, the fans sit in a circle surrounding the performer, giving it a "in the round" feeling. It's very intimate there, with only maybe 200 people or so being capacity. In between songs, Patty said something like, if I was Bruce Springsteen, I'd be moving all over the place and facing every direction...."but I'm just Patty Griffin". Michelle mentioned earlier about how she messed up Peter Pan 3 different times, before finally getting it right on the 4th try. I actually saw her play this song the 1st time she ever performed it back in October of '98. She mentioned that she had been over at this music store down the street for hours playing the piano VERY BADLY, until the guy in there finally kicked her out. On the night of her 1st performance, she cracked up laughing at herself quite a few times too. I knew once she messed up the 1st time that she would not be able to make it through the next few times either. I don't know what it is, I could just tell by the look on her face that every time she came to that same part that she'd just burst out laughing...it was SO cute, it would be nice if they showed that at the end of the show (when it finally airs)...maybe while the credits are running or something. Patty also told an incredibly funny joke about a duck going into a bar, and asking for duck food. I'm not going to go into it...for those of you who want to know the joke, you can email me privately. What was so funny about the joke was not really the joke itself, but the way that Patty tells a joke. She has to be the absolute worst, yet cutest joke teller ever. I may have been the only one, but I was barely able to keep from laughing out loud as she started the next song. There are so many other things about the show that I just can't think of at the moment.... Oh, the new song Making Pies was really cute. It's played solo, and is really a different kind of a song for Patty. I remembered later that night, that I did hear her play that song in Annapolis, MD at the Ram's Head show earlier this year. At that time, I had never heard that song before...and I really couldn't remember if that was the same song again or not. Maybe it has changed a bit since then?? On a non-Patty note, Cristina should be commended for being an INCREDIBLY good sport through the incredibly frustrating day (besides the show itself) that we had yesterday. She took a plane up from Nashville, TN Friday night just to see this show! Now, is that a REAL Patty fan for you or what? On top of being a good sport though, I was very happy to find out that...as a fellow animal lover, she was just as nice of a person as I had thought she would be. :-) Well, that is all for now... I hope that everyone who was able to attend the taping had a safe trip home. To everyone who could not make it, I hope that Patty comes to your neck of the woods soon. Dave - ----------------------------------------------------- Shake, Little God, Shake your little fists All the strippers think you're odd, But you leave the biggest tips ...Little God ~~~Patty Griffin - ---------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:20:45 -0400 From: "Donald Henn" Subject: MM: ****Review**** PS , PPS , and PPPS. PS: I've been listening to Patty's CD's since I returned & the music does't overpower her voice on the recordings. I suppose it can be ascribed to either the bands sound man or the technicians that work the venue in which she's appearing. PPS: I was disappointed at the lack of red in the audience PPPS: I think we all owe Mike Connell a thank you for setting up & maintaining the Mad-Mission site for Patty & her fans , which is of course , how we were able to get tickets. Thanks Mike! Don ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:28:10 EDT From: Shamawy@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Sessions, bloody fingers, ducks, laughing, M&M's, lasting memories,Pa... I am reading all these reviews of Sessions and want to cry!!! I've seen Patty 4 times and can only imagine her cute little self with her cute little personality messing up the piano-playing and telling jokes that thud to the floor. She's so damn cute and I'm so damn jealous that you all got to go!!! Can't wait to watch the show on PBS. Please please please let the list know when the air-date is announced. Oh yeah....I also wanted to comment on the "deadbeat" audience members that seem to infest patty's shows....planting themselves right in front, of course. Each time I've seen her I've managed to squeeze my way to the front--if I can't reach out and touch Patty's toes it's just not worth going--only to find myself amidst night of the living slower-than-dead. And I'm wiggling my ass off in my seat because ya just can't listen to Patty and be that close to her and sit still. During one show a guy was dancing to his little heart's content--the only person standing--and some prude jerked on his shirt and demanded that he sit down. In between songs Patty looked right at the guy and said "I don't mind if ya dance, really. I like it when ya dance." Half the crowd went nuts. I'm so in love with her!!!! ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #282 *********************************