From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #221 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, July 28 1999 Volume 03 : Number 221 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: He's got the chair! Isn't anybody gonna do anything??? [JohnRN24@aol.] MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #220 ["Patty's Band" ] MM: Next CD [Flakeybird@aol.com] Re: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #220 [courtney@starlinx.com] MM: band question ["Mark Soliday" ] MM: Mary Dolan [Gretchen Gigley ] Re: MM: Next CD [Mudhoney49@aol.com] FW: MM:Lilith Fair-Edmonton ["McCullough, Kim L." ] Re: MM: Mary Dolan [Jennifer Lynn Caputo ] MM: AAA & Patty ["Soudah, Carol Diana" ] MM: the comfy chair??? the comfy chair??? ["Paul Russell" Subject: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #220 Hey Everybody (some more than others), How's it goin'? Pretty crazy out here in MM-land. I just thought I'd clarify some stuff; 1. I am proud to say that this band was hand picked by Patty Griffin NOT management or the record company or anybody else. 2. After a year and a couple of months, we are definitely loosening up on the interpretation of Flaming Red (the album as a whole) but for the most part we were hired to cover the record and that is what we do (quite well I might add). For those of you that have heard non-record stuff (Silver Bell, Little God, etc) you know that we are most assuredly not a cover band. 3. As far as being virtuosos (whatever that means), I don't know...I am completely confident that Patty is more than satisfied with all of us both as musicians and as bandmates and that, along with my own artistic satisfaction, are my only concerns. (However, my credentials, discography etc. are available upon request to anybody with a serious gig for me.) 4. I think it's interesting that there are some of you out there (you know who you are)who think Patty is this person not in control of her own band, career, destiny...you have heard her sing and listened to her lyrics, right? Well give her some credit...if she wasn't happy with any one of us we'd be history, there are plenty of players who'd kill for the chance to play with Patty... So quit pointing fingers and arm chair quarterbacking... enjoy or hate what we, Patty included do, but PLEASE, easy on the presumtions, assumtions and pretentions. Whew! Sorry for the rant, Frank the Bass player everybody's got a right to their own opinion but nobody likes a know-it-all p.s. looking forward to seeing y'all out there on the road next week! _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:29:47 EDT From: Flakeybird@aol.com Subject: MM: Next CD Does anyone have any idea whatsoever as to when PG and band might be recording again? Also, does anyone know what kind of category Flaming Red got for radio -- like AAA or something like that (I'm new to this kind of thing so someone in the industry, please enlighten me if I'm messing the vocab. up.) (Mimi probably knows) Is Patty on non-commercial radio only? Does anyone know how many stations she is on and what kind of rotation she gets? - -Sharyn. P.S. I just thought I'd let everyone know that my e-mail moniker has nothing to do with me being a flake, it has more to do with snowflakes and birds. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, Jul 28 1999 10:55:27 GMT-0400 From: courtney@starlinx.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #220 Hi Frank, THAT was not a rant...... that was a well reasoned response to a somewhat rediculous thread on this list. :-) Of COURSE Patty is in charge.....And I bet alot of folks think the band is great just as it is.... I, for one, didn't respond earlier because I didn't want to fan the flames anymore.I was kind of hoping that you guys wern't reading along because I don't think that sort of know-it-all attitude reflects all that well on our community here.I hope you know we aren't always sniping.... We love Patty, and we love the band.....believe it or not, we even love each other despite the occasional flame war.(Although to see a REAL flame war, you should check the archives for the Nield's Nook in May... THAT was a doozy!) Peas & Quiches, Courtney Somethingblack.com > >From: Band >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 02:06:52 -0700 (PDT) >To: mad-mission@smoe.org >Subject: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #220 So I'll walk the plank and I'll jump with a smile if I'm gonna go down I'm gonna do it with style and you won't see me surrender you won't hear me confess 'cus you've left me with nothing but I've worked with less Ani *Dilate ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 05:45:17 -0400 From: "Mark Soliday" Subject: MM: band question Hey all, This may be a dumb question, but is the band behind Patty currently the same one she toured with before FR was released? I saw her with a band in Cleveland last year, and they looked different than the one on Letterman. Maybe it's just a year's worth of hair-growth and all, just wondering. I think the band sounded great on Letterman. Great energy as well. I must admit that when she added the band for her second album, I was dissappointed. Only because I had seen Patty play an extremely up-close-and-personal, solo, acoustic show awhile back and was blown away by her powerful voice. But I think that she always envisioned her music with a band, and that's the way it should be (the way she wants it). Please come back to Cleveland Patty Griffin Band!!!!(or anywhere close) Mark soliday@erie.net - ---------- > From: Patty's Band > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #220 > Date: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 5:06 AM > > Hey Everybody (some more than others), > > How's it goin'? Pretty crazy out here in MM-land. I just > thought I'd clarify some stuff; > > 1. I am proud to say that this band was hand picked by > Patty Griffin NOT management or the record company or > anybody else. > > 2. After a year and a couple of months, we are definitely > loosening up on the interpretation of Flaming Red (the > album as a whole) but for the most part we were hired to > cover the record and that is what we do (quite well I might > add). For those of you that have heard non-record stuff > (Silver Bell, Little God, etc) you know that we are most > assuredly not a cover band. > > 3. As far as being virtuosos (whatever that means), I don't > know...I am completely confident that Patty is more than > satisfied with all of us both as musicians and as bandmates > and that, along with my own artistic satisfaction, are my > only concerns. (However, my credentials, discography etc. > are available upon request to anybody with a serious gig > for me.) > > 4. I think it's interesting that there are some of you out > there (you know who you are)who think Patty is this person > not in control of her own band, career, destiny...you have > heard her sing and listened to her lyrics, right? Well > give her some credit...if she wasn't happy with any one of > us we'd be history, there are plenty of players who'd kill > for the chance to play with Patty... > > So quit pointing fingers and arm chair quarterbacking... > enjoy or hate what we, Patty included do, but PLEASE, easy > on the presumtions, assumtions and pretentions. Whew! > > Sorry for the rant, > Frank the Bass player > > everybody's got a right to their own opinion but nobody > likes a know-it-all > > p.s. looking forward to seeing y'all out there on the road > next week! > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:44:02 -0400 From: Gretchen Gigley Subject: MM: Mary Dolan Does anyone know anything about her (Mary Dolan)?? Someone mentioned her way back, and I went searching for her CD. No luck. What is her music like?? How about the title of her CD?? Thanks! gg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:09:22 EDT From: Mudhoney49@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Next CD In a message dated 7/28/99 10:16:31 AM, Flakeybird@aol.com writes: >Does anyone have any idea whatsoever as to when PG and band might be >recording again? I have totally been wondering about that as well. I hope soon, because Patty is NEVER COMING HERE to Kansas or the Kansas City/Lawrence area (I can't talk enough about the fact that I've never seen her live and have never had the opportunity to do so)-so I'd at least like some new material to chill with. - -Hayley :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:14:12 -0500 From: "McCullough, Kim L." Subject: FW: MM:Lilith Fair-Edmonton > Hi there: > Just joined the list, had a question...does anyone know if Patty will be > playing Lilith Fair in Edmonton, Canada on Aug 31? I really want to see > her, but there aren't a whole lot of Canadian dates. Missed her at the > Venue in Vancouver by a week... > Let me know...] > Thanks > Kim > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:46:21 -0700 (PDT) From: David Doody Subject: MM: Decisions On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, Patty's Band wrote: > 4. I think it's interesting that there are some of you out > there (you know who you are)who think Patty is this person > not in control of her own band, career, destiny...you have > heard her sing and listened to her lyrics, right? I can't speak for anyone else, but I guess I didn't want to believe that Patty was the one who had made some of the decisions that, IMO, haven't really worked out as well as they could have. It was somewhat easier to believe that some suit who didn't know anything about Patty's music made decisions about some of the television performances that I've been disappointed with. To realize that Patty is responsible for all those things makes me face the reality that I guess she's moving (moved?) in a direction that I find less appealing. And that's my disappointment that I'll have to deal with. If others enjoy it, then great. And if that's what Patty really wants to present to the world, then more power to her. I have no problem, personally, with the band. In fact, from what I hear you're a bunch of great guys. My roommate asked you to sign a CD for me (since I couldn't go to the show) and one of you went around and got the rest of the band, and Patty :), to sign it too. So thanks! Anyway, I guess the point of this response was to point out that I, at least, don't consider Patty to be a delicate flower who has no control over her career, but rather preffered to believe that the realities of the recording industry forced her to make choices that don't gibe with what *I* want. :) If that's not the case, that's fine. I guess I just need to wake up and realize Patty's not out there solely to make me happy. :) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:16:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Jennifer Lynn Caputo Subject: Re: MM: Mary Dolan Hi, Mary Dolan is a god friend of Jewel's from way back in the olden days. I'm sure list owner Mike can tell you tons about her. I have a tape called Future Folklore 3 that features a few songs by her... Setlist: Future Folklore Volume 3 1. Welcome To Java Joe's (Wendy) 2. Truly Divine (L. Sanders, M. Dolan) 3. Where Melancholoy Goes (M. Dolan) 4. Rainbow (L. Sander, M. Dolan) 5. Let Her Feel The Rain (T. MacLean) 6. Silence (T. MacLean) 7. Jessica (Jewel) 8. Lasciatemi Morirre (Jewel) 9. Love Lies Broken (E. Hummel) 10. Are We Gonna Get Naked? (E. Hummel) 11. Goodwill Store (E. Hummel w/Jewel & G. Page) 12. White Christmas (G. Page) 13. Walking In The Rain (G. Page) 14. Great Mystery (G. Page) 15. Where Have You Gone Jimmy Dean? (J.E. Harrison Combo) 16. Angels Watching Over Me (J.E. Harrison Combo) 17. Aquamarine (C.L.B. & Garage Orchestra) 18. UFO Suite (C.L.B. & Garage Orchestra) 19. God Bless The Living Room Tour (C.L.B. & Garage Orchestra) Anyway, it's kinda cool, I'd be happy to make you a copy if you want to send a blank tape with postage or do a trade or something. Jen :) On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, Gretchen Gigley wrote: > Does anyone know anything about her (Mary Dolan)?? Someone mentioned > her way back, and I went searching for her CD. No luck. What is her > music like?? How about the title of her CD?? > > Thanks! > gg > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:31:19 -0700 From: "Soudah, Carol Diana" Subject: MM: AAA & Patty In response to Flakey ;) The AAA category refers to Adult Album Alternative, and is usually geared towards a more adult audience (hence the title) interested in the likes of Sting, Dave Matthews Band, Barenaked Ladies, Joan Osborne, Peter Gabriel, Tori Amos, Indigo Girls, Toad the Wet Sprocket, Nil Lara, Dar Williams, Patty, and I could go on and on and on. Usually artists who write their own music, have a long and productive history, but may not necessarily make Billboards top 10 with each new release. They are also more often than not musicians always on the road and loving it. I've come to love this genre of music and respect the artists usually associated with this category. Having said that, I'm wary of broad titles that lump any artist who isn't Brittany Spears or Backstreet Boys into some "alternative" slot. There is more diversity and variation within AAA than even between the various groups. There are certainly differences between Toad and Nil Lara or Tori and DMB. The common thread seems to be a love for music above and beyond fame and dollars. And a love for live music and touring, even when it's hardly profitable and very exhausting. If they only knew how appreciative we the fans are for their endless efforts. Also, I've listened to Patty on some non-commercial radio stations on the Net, as well as here in LA, on KCRW where she's performed live. Occasionally she's on Channel 103.1 here as well, a AAA station - and I stress *occasionally*. Other than that, LA is Patty-clueless as far as I can tell, except for the MMer's here thank goodness and the folks at the Troubadour where she played last year. In the end, I'm sure she's not picky about the type of radio she's played on, so as long as people learn of her. Me, hardly an expert or anything and far from being in the industry, but observant and passionate enough about music to have learned some of this stuff over the years...... carol - -----Original Message--------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- From: Flakeybird@aol.com [mailto:Flakeybird@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 6:30 AM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Next CD Does anyone have any idea whatsoever as to when PG and band might be recording again? Also, does anyone know what kind of category Flaming Red got for radio -- like AAA or something like that (I'm new to this kind of thing so someone in the industry, please enlighten me if I'm messing the vocab. up.) (Mimi probably knows) Is Patty on non-commercial radio only? Does anyone know how many stations she is on and what kind of rotation she gets? - -Sharyn. P.S. I just thought I'd let everyone know that my e-mail moniker has nothing to do with me being a flake, it has more to do with snowflakes and birds. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:46:48 PDT From: "Paul Russell" Subject: MM: the comfy chair??? the comfy chair??? Sup! *****patty griffin related******** Okay, I'll have to say that if Patty Griffin had to battle her band on Celebrity death-match, I'd have to favor the band. I mean, come on. Ms. Griffin is only one. Even with a guitar she could only swing it around so fast while the rest of the band could all go after her at once. And let's face it, Patty Griffin is no Mike Ditka! (cuz we all know that Mike Ditka VS. anyone will give only one outcome.) ;P *****PG and her next album, my humble input****** Anyway, part of me hopes that Ms. Griffin's next album is more of that punkish stuff like "Flaming Red." I could definitely see her get wild. But then again, she wouldn't be using her ab fab vocals in the way I love to hear her sing (at least from the recordings....alas, she has yet to step foot near Pensacola....I guess it's comparative here to Kansas, only with sand.) I'm still dying for the xmas album. I'd give my left....I'd give my neighbor's left arm for it. ******* kind of PG, and for those of you that like Shawn Colvin**** So, I'm lowering my intelligence last night (you know, that watching TV kind of thing) and I see that Shawn Colvin was with Jackson Browne, Bonnie Raitt, Bruce Hornsby, and someone else (I forgot) on Jay Leno. It was pretty good performance, but (ding ding ding) you could barely hear Mr. Browne and somewhat hear Mr. Hornsby and it was incredibly acoustic. Maybe we're all getting our panties in a bind for something that can't be helped. Maybe you just have to be there. I did indeed hear the bad mix in Conan with Ms. Griffin, but we could be possibly too anal retentive about all the other performances. Or maybe I was just being anal. Hmmmmm. anal anal anal anal anal. That's sure easy to type.....anal anal anal banal canal. Cool. ;P *****another pointless statement off the top of my head***** I was just thinking how cool it would be (that is, if Patty Griffin didn't become super famous or anything) if she ends up writing great stuff for other people (from a long-ago thread). She could be like the incredibly awesome Otis Blackwell ("Paralyzed," "Great Balls of Fire," "Return to Sender," "Breathless," "Don't be Cruel," etc)....only white and a woman. But I need to get back to this work thing. It pays the bills. later! peace, love, and vegetable rights....except broccoli (yum!) paul ***************************************** * There's nothing like waking up to a * * big pair of boobs. 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