From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #220 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, July 28 1999 Volume 03 : Number 220 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: Choices... ["Victoria Chenevey" ] Re: MM: Choices...OOPS! ["Victoria Chenevey" ] Re: MM: sheesh [David Lewis ] MM: I'm with Nancy. [Flakeybird@aol.com] MM: Patty who? ["Antall, Scott" ] MM: anyone know? ["Sarah Ann Stanley" ] MM: Recent crankiness [SLClink@aol.com] MM: flames ["Paquin, John" ] MM: I'm sorry [Mooodeee@aol.com] MM: RE: I'm sorry [Gary Jacques ] MM: the definition... [Mooodeee@aol.com] MM: my big phat bootie ["Paul Russell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:44:43 -0700 From: "Victoria Chenevey" Subject: Re: MM: Choices... Well, gosh, I'm not a music critic, and I don't run a label, and I don't (well, only passively aggressive) criticize other's posts, and I don't reply to the whooooole list when a private email is more appropriate, but I do think that her band is the same as that gig at the House of Blues. I was there, saw her again there opening for Lucinda Williams, saw her open for Jonny Lang at the Wiltern Theatre, and I think I recognized the band as the same each time. At least, that really cute guitar player :) Whatd'ya say, band? Was it all of you each time? Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 23:28:13 -0700 From: "Victoria Chenevey" Subject: Re: MM: Choices...OOPS! Ok so all who were there know that when Patty opened for Lucinda at HOB she was band-less...I should have posted "when I saw her at the Troubadour it was the same band, I think". Oh well, it's late... g'night. Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:34:36 -0300 From: David Lewis Subject: Re: MM: sheesh >if you guys >were face to face, it would be a heck of a knock down drag out fight. You might think that... but I suspect the opposite would be true. It's a lot easier to be mean and nasty when you're hiding behind a keyboard... much in the same way that drivers often give each other the finger and such... because they feel anonymous and safe inside their cars. In any case, I think disagreement is fine, as long as you are civil about it and it doesn't degrade to childish name calling and such. It is possible to present your "case" without attacking the "opposition". - ---------------------------- David Lewis Digital & Print Media Design dlewis@hfx.andara.com - ---------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:12:38 EDT From: Flakeybird@aol.com Subject: MM: I'm with Nancy. In a message dated 7/27/99 1:37:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org writes: << okay guys. . .i've been trying not to say anything because we are who we are and that's no one's business. however, i have to say that i'm kind of upset about the way the list has gone recently. >> Nancy, I totally agree, especially Mimi's last announcement that she's off the list and addressing Joe directly. There's no need for that post. If you have a beef with someone, can you have a private e-mail war? I do not want to be a MM casualty in a war I never started. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:19:22 -0400 From: "Antall, Scott" Subject: MM: Patty who? Anyone on this list ever heard of a singer named Patty Griffin? I hear she is GREAT! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:22:33 -0400 From: "Sarah Ann Stanley" Subject: MM: anyone know? does anyone know why Patty cancelled her show at the Odeon (sp?) in Ohio? I was really bummed.....I live in Michigan and would've traveled down to Ohio to see her live. Does anyone know if she plans to reschedule or if she is planning on making over the Michigan way anytime soon? sarah ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "I got my first taste of freedom beneath the light of the moon..." -- Jewel "My choice is what I choose to do, and if I'm causing no harm it shouldn't bother you. You're choice is who you choose to be and if you're causing no harm then you're alright with me..." -- Ben Harper "Where does magic come from? I think magic's in the learning 'cuz now when Christians sit with Pagans only pumpkin pies are burning..." -- Dar Williams "The most important thing I could ever say to someone is sometimes I just breathe you in..." -- Tori Amos *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ - ----- Original Message ----- From: Sarah Ann Stanley To: Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 2:33 PM Subject: MM: I know this isn't a trade list but...more live Patty PLEASE! > > 2 for 1 trading is considered profiteering and is one form of trading that > > is not condoned on the list. > > > > If anyone must do two for ones or other forms of profiteering, please > > conduct that offlist and not onlist. > > eep! i'm sorry! i didn't realize the actual legality (or lack thereof) on > 2:1, I just assumed it was legal b/c of a bunch of other lists I've been > on.....and I guess I never thought about the profiteering aspect of it. > Also, I guess the other people on other lists aren't as generous with their > time and materials as people on this list seem to be...there always had to > be some kind of profit being made. Again...I'm sorry...I hope I didn't step > on any toes! > > > It is preferred that onlist trading involve Patty's music in at least part > > and that it be open trading or a "I'll make a copy for you even though you > > have nothing to trade" kind of thing. > > Well, I only have the two albums so if I'm going to be trading anything it'd > have to be other artists in order to *get* Patty stuff -- I hope that's > okay...? > > Thanks for clarifying that shtuff so nicely... ;-) > > Peace and legal trading = ) > Sarah > > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ > "My choice is what I choose to do, and if I'm causing no harm > it shouldn't bother you. You're choice is who you choose to be > and if you're causing no harm then you're alright with me..." > -- Ben > Harper > "Where does magic come from? I think magic's in the learning > 'cuz now when Christians sit with Pagans only pumpkin pies > are burning..." > -- Dar > Williams > "The most important thing I could ever say to someone is > sometimes I just breathe you in..." > -- Tori Amos > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:27:41 EDT From: SLClink@aol.com Subject: MM: Recent crankiness Folks, Nancy says: >i've been reading these emails, and it seems that if you guys were face to face, it would be a heck of a knock down drag out fight. Actually, I think the tacky thing about flames is that people say things on line that they wouldn't have the nerve to say face to face. Mimi, please don't leave the list. Personally, I like having the input of someone inside the industry. I appreciated your explanation of copyright and songwriting risiduals that I might have felt too dumb to ask about. Peace, Susan in Baton Rouge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:30:12 -0500 From: "Paquin, John" Subject: MM: flames MM'rs As one of the instigators of this past flame war, I apologize for bringing it onto the list. Mimi and I have "kissed and made up" (privately) and I have expressed to her my desire that she stay on as part of the list. Hopefully I haven't done too much damage to my (or your) karma. Sorry all. - -john P.S. How about that Patty Griffin! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:08:42 EDT From: Mooodeee@aol.com Subject: MM: I'm sorry I'm sorry everyone, Thanks to a countless number of nice folks on the list who emailed me with their support and their regret for my departure. I'm sorry if I have hurt anyone's feelings or overstepped my ground. I will make a conscious effort to not feel the need to qualify my opinions, suggestions and contributions based on who i am or what i do for a living... (its the norm on the pro- lists I'm on... so i guess it's become a bad habit). My posts are just meant to be a source of ideas from which anyone can take or leave. If anything, I wish there were more musicians, label reps and promoters on this list--i would love to exchange ideas and resources with them. Mimi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:27:58 -0400 From: Gary Jacques Subject: MM: RE: I'm sorry Shut up already and talk music! - -----Original Message----- From: Mooodeee@aol.com [mailto:Mooodeee@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 11:09 AM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: I'm sorry I'm sorry everyone, Thanks to a countless number of nice folks on the list who emailed me with their support and their regret for my departure. I'm sorry if I have hurt anyone's feelings or overstepped my ground. I will make a conscious effort to not feel the need to qualify my opinions, suggestions and contributions based on who i am or what i do for a living... (its the norm on the pro- lists I'm on... so i guess it's become a bad habit). My posts are just meant to be a source of ideas from which anyone can take or leave. If anything, I wish there were more musicians, label reps and promoters on this list--i would love to exchange ideas and resources with them. Mimi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:07:31 EDT From: Mooodeee@aol.com Subject: MM: the definition... Re: "shut up and talk music" On the topic of virtuosity... by definition, it just means someone who has great skill... and in music it means someone who is an experimenter, who has an academic knowledge of scales, tempos, signatures, styles, and genres, that make them more versed and diversified as a musician--skills that take them beyond three chords and the truth. Having those skills in pocket whenever needed or wanted, contributes interesting color to the collective sound of the whole. As a musician, you play music. Mastering your instrument is something you strive for. Bruce Springsteen? I think Bruce is quite the virtuoso... as a songwriter and a lyricist and a storyteller. Besides, Max Weinberg and Clarence Clemmons arent exactly amatures, or a typical backup band. They are regarded as some of the highest-skilled virtuosos in the recording and performing industry. Their levels of education and experience make them such. But regardless of age and experience, part of being a virtuoso is knowing when and how to play in the pocket and how to play for the song. It is also knowing things like dynamics, volume control, knowing when to lay back, and knowing how to listen to everything that's going on. And of course, the importance of being creative and emotive. Yes, i agree that it isnt necessary to be that good, but someone as talented as Springsteen deserve to have the kind of band that can make his concerts more than just mere gigs, but make them amazing and memorable experiences. Mimi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:17:15 PDT From: "Paul Russell" Subject: MM: my big phat bootie hey everyone! Well, to tell you the truth I was gonna quit this list if Mimi left. But I guess now she's not gonna, so I'm still here (although some of you have probably wanted me off this list for some time...well, darn. It almost happened). I just have totally agreed with all Mimi's posts (that I read). Oh, and I wrote to that Mike Baker once when I first heard of Patty Griffin and wanted to know more about her and he dissed me like a red-headed stepchild. It was at a time when I could have given her tons of college radio play, but that's not important. Mr. Baker thinks that as well. Label me "not a Baker phan." Way back some time ago, before I had company to attend to here, someone asked what are the different audio problems that could make Patty Griffin performances sound bad on TV. So this post will be more technical oriented, than PG related. Just thought you kind readers would like to know in advance so you can delete it if it doesn't fly your boat. (how utterly odd, a boat doesn't fly.) Well, being the brother of John F. Kennedy Jr., and being married to Sheryl Crow, and after having golf with Rupert Murdock then I'd have to say... :P ....well, a shit-load of stuff could go wrong, actually. (but didn't I sound important throwing all those big-names around?) ;) ha ha ha ha :) sorry, couldn't resist. First of all, as Mr. Dave mentioned is the TV set. Those speakers really do suck the chrome off a tailpipe. One time I went to the rental's house and plugged in my father's Fischer speakers to the TV and it about blew him away with all the depth of sound he was missing when he watched the TNT movies. But this is only the last step. (let's see what paul mentions here about sound and test him later, that stupid freak...) You've got the mic to the voice, with I'm guessing phantom power (so if the phantom power kicks out, that mic suddenly gets lower in volume). Then you got the actual cable to and from the mic. Crinks in the cable (from idiots not properly coiling it...which happens all the time) will affect the sound quality and the connection itself. Then you've got the individual volume level for that mic. Then you've got the master level for that mic. But before we get there, don't forget that with bigger sound boards, as most Major TV stations (like WNBC) could afford there is sometimes a separate mix and volume for that (i.e., you can route all the guest band to one potter, and route all the house band to another potter, etc.)And the above statements actually go for each individual input. And this says nothing about the monitors going back to the band, or the amperage from the band. I know this all just sounds soooooo thrilling and y'all are hanging to the edge of your seat but bare with me. ;P So now we are at the main volume control (i.e., volume out) and that is another factor. Then you got those cables going to studio out and heading for master control. By the way, if everything so far sounds good the problem just might be the sound man (or woman). I've seen audio engineers sit and watch TV (like Jenny Jones or some other drivel) after they get the initial sound and don't even pay attention. They look up when either it's time for commercial break or if the director yells at them. Because of this, sometimes the audio levels (i.e., the VU meters) fall max below the levels they should be at. I particularly like the little dials better than the liquid crystal dots but I digress. Blah blah blah, after it leaves the studio, master control, and everything, then it goes to the cable companies. The cable companies use volume on each piece of equipment as well. Then there's the volume on your TV. Then there's your ear. I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are so many volume controls and/or points that any one could be screwed up and will affect everything. But I think that it was in the mix, not the band. yeah baybee! And now I just have to say that the SouthPark movie rocks the house. It was so funny I almost blew a kidney stone right into my popcorn. Why can't we see more quality TV like that? ;) peace, love, and vegetable rights! paul ***************************************** * There's nothing like waking up to * * a big pair of boobs! The Bearman and * * Keith, mornings 6 to 10 on WZZO. * * * * --radio promo for WZZO 95.1FM in PA * ***************************************** ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #220 *********************************