From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #213 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, July 22 1999 Volume 03 : Number 213 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: sound-NPC ["James P / Cristina M" ] MM: RE: Blair Witch ["Debra.Skolos (Exchange)" ] MM: Letterman ["Paquin, John" ] Re: MM: RE: Blair Witch [Mudhoney49@aol.com] Re: MM: sound-NPC [NuAgeThnkr@aol.com] Re: MM: Tape of PG on Letterman [rblack1@io.com (Ronda B.)] MM: missing letterman [RbSayre@aol.com] MM: NPC: Friday Lilith Fair in Atlanta Tickets... [NuAgeThnkr@aol.com] MM: Letterman as 1st time Patty experience [EveryLittleBit@aol.com] MM: Hi Frank! A few questions if you don't mind. [JEG6120 ] MM: NPC:Lilith Fair Milwaukee [Judy Lev ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:27:24 -0500 From: "James P / Cristina M" Subject: MM: sound-NPC Hey all, I'm not a musician, but I DO know tone and rhythm and passionately love music. I have a question for all the musicians and soundpeople on this list: Why is it that the mix that comes out on the television shows (not just Letterman, but SNL and others) sounds SO horrible? Don't they have the equipment to balance a performance? Are there just too many variables in that medium as opposed to doing sound at an actual venue? I don't expect perfection (I realize it's still a live show and anything can go wrong), but I do expect, as I'm sure the musicians and record people do, for there to be a level of expertise on the part of the soundpeople. Maybe I'm totally misunderstanding how television performances work. If so, then will someone please explain it to me so perhaps I won't be so critical in the future? I've seen this over and over with many different artists on many different shows and it's just an issue that's been bugging me. Thanks! -c ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:32:05 -0500 From: "Debra.Skolos (Exchange)" Subject: MM: RE: Blair Witch If you missed Blair Witch, don't sweat it. It was kind of lame. Too much hype. Deb - -----Original Message----- From: JohnRN24@aol.com [mailto:JohnRN24@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 10:58 PM To: goreckime@cbpu.com; mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Blair Witch Okay, coming home from Royal Oak MI from trying to get tickets to the Blair Witch Project, and it hits me... Patty's on in 10 minutes and we're on Interstate 75! No phone, nowhere to stop, and still 45 minutes outside of Toledo. I felt powerless. And it doesn't have a happy ending. I missed Blair Witch (sold out days in advance and only in 6 cities nationwide) AND I missed Patty. So I had a wooooooonderful day yesterday!!! Ugh. ~>:-I John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:35:43 -0500 From: "Paquin, John" Subject: MM: Letterman Hey guys! It's great to hear everyone's take on the Letterman gig. It's amazing how some people thought it was the best ever, and others thought it was the worst! I love diversity! Since we're all stating opinions, I thought I'd state mine. I thought the song started out too slow, but then picked up as it went on. I also thought Patty sounded nervous, like her throat was a little closed down. Not that I can blame her! I didn't think the guitars were too loud, however, as they were predominantly EQ'd low, while Patty's voice is EQ'd high (to get that nice, instrument-like sound). Listen on the album, and I think you'll hear that the guitars are quite loud in the mix, but they don't compete with the vocals because different frequencies are being emphasized. Obviously, these are only my opinions, and I certainly don't want to stomp on anyone else's, so please take what I say with a grain of salt! Also, did anyone notice that Dave introduced Patty as "Acclaimed singer/songwriter" - -john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:43:29 EDT From: Mudhoney49@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: RE: Blair Witch I thought it was great. Blair Witch was the type ofmovie that you really have to walk into with few expectations. It's a very subtle scary-not an in your face one. Hayley In a message dated 7/21/99 7:39:21 AM, Debra.Skolos@dhcmail.com writes: >If you missed Blair Witch, don't sweat it. It was kind of lame. Too much > >hype. > >Deb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:46:33 EDT From: NuAgeThnkr@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: sound-NPC Well, though not a sound person, I have been involved with concert/TV a little, and I mean very little, but here's my take on the sound thing, and I may be a little out of focus, but here's my take... The thing about a regular touring gig is that the sound person gets in relatively early and everyone gets a nice (though sometimes limited) chance for a sound check. The sound person also is used to various live venues, is involved with the set up from the git-go, uses their own equipment (usually), and has a whole set to get adjusted if something does begin off kilter. On television (and I have a little experience with this as well), time is usually very limited for a sound check. Most of the equipment may not be the band's (though this varies depending on the gig) and some of the musicians may be playing for the first time on the song (i.e. as sometimes happens on SNL). In addition, the sound person has to deal with the "studio" setting versus the "concert" setting. In fact, in venues like SNL, what comes over the airwaves might be substantially different than what the live audience hears. Usually the band's regular sound person mixes for the live audience and a whole different sound system and person may be responsible for miking what the audience is hearing out to the TV audience--so the TV listener hears a general miking of the whole sound rather than a nice mix like on the album... And of course all this varies from place to place and band to band--and of course the bigger you are, the more clout you have, so someone like Celine can come in with all of her own people and take over, while if someone like Patty tried something like that she would come across as a diva (and that's one thing Patty does not seem to be)... So, be forgiving, and catch your favorites live... as for me, as much as I love Sarah McLachlan's music, she sounds almost exactly the same in concert (though I did see her flub once), and then I might as well be listening to the CD... Patty does bring a rawness and slightly imperfect quality to her concerts (and this vulnerability comes across with her CD's, though less imperfect) which is part of what makes her so accessible to us... And I love that about her... but it is a little frustrating when you tell someone to catch her on Letterman and they catch only one facet of that beautiful diamond... So sit them down and make them listen to Tony, or Moses, or whatever touched you... - --Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:32:50 -0500 From: rblack1@io.com (Ronda B.) Subject: Re: MM: Tape of PG on Letterman Think I have the ability to make copies. Please email me (off-list) at ronda989@yahoo.com if you're interested ... and we'll see what we can do. Ronda At 10:40 PM 7/20/99 -0400, Vanessa McGowan wrote: >Paul... let me tell ya!!! I can't believe it myself >but (get ready) I missed it too! :( ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:50:04 EDT From: RbSayre@aol.com Subject: MM: missing letterman John says: > I missed Blair > Witch (sold out days in advance and only in 6 cities nationwide) AND I > missed > Patty. So I had a wooooooonderful day yesterday!!! Ugh. at least you have a good excuse (Blair Witch Project is excellent- I've seen it twice.) . I however, do not. My friend came over with some videos to watch so... I was watching Amityville and *forgot* that I was supposed to be watching Letterman!! (Furthermore I realized that when the movie was over my friend would be gone, leaving me.... home alone!) just another example of my bad Patty-viewing luck, I guess. Thanks for letting me share my Frustration!! peace, rick listening to: josh joplin band/useful music http://members.aol.com/rbsayre/cheese.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:09:16 EDT From: NuAgeThnkr@aol.com Subject: MM: NPC: Friday Lilith Fair in Atlanta Tickets... Hey! I have two tickets for the Friday show in Atlanta--good seats (Sec 204, Row NN, 19 & 20)--and I'm willing to let them go for what I paid (well, Ticketmaster prices...65$)... unfortunately, Patty's not at this one... but I'll give preference to a fellow MMer (since you'll be sitting beside me)... If you don't get a return e-mail by, oh, let's say, 6:00pm EST today, then I've found someone to take them... - --Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:01:45 EDT From: EveryLittleBit@aol.com Subject: MM: Letterman as 1st time Patty experience I got a letter today I thought I'd share. I think it's a really interesting companion to how everybody says (me included) that if they saw Patty for the first time on one of her TV appearances, they wouldn't really have taken notice. << Very lovely...your site. I just saw Patty on Letterman last night -- never heard of her before. Loved her. Maybe I haven't heard of her because I live in Germany, though I am an American. I'm going downtown now to look for her cd. >> Really cool, huh? I wonder how many other people did the same :) Rachel :D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:49:41 -0500 From: JEG6120 Subject: MM: Hi Frank! A few questions if you don't mind. Hey all you MMer's, Frank the Bass player here. Very interesting reading all your different opinions of our Letterman performance...I just wanted to let you know that we had a blast playing Blue Sky and although it would not have been any of ours pick (song-wise)we feel really good about our performance of it. Hi Frank! I think the band always does a fine job, though TV is not yet Patty's strong suit. I'd like to ask you a couple questions if you don't mind. 1. A reoccurring question on the list has been "Who chooses Patty's singles?" Most list members are wondering why the really strong songs on Flaming Red like "Tony" and "Change" weren't released instead of the less-than-signature "Blue Sky" and "One Big Love". Though both singles are fine songs, "Tony" and "Change" better represent Patty's writing style and THEY ROCK! Do you know who chooses the singles? 2. Has anyone ever told you that you look like Chris Katan from Saturday Night Live? :) You make some great faces when you play! :) Thanks, Julie in TN ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:10:01 -0400 (EDT) From: ruby maroon Subject: MM: Letterman and Opinions. Well all I can say is I cant WAIT to see this performance. Some say they liked the others better others say they like this one the best. So, as the story goes I will find out this weekend when I get a chance to see it from my Uncle who taped it for me. Cool that Frank wrote! I LOVE this list. One thing is for CERTAIN though, no matter what it's sounds like I will LOVE it, because I LOVE Patty and her band!! They rock, Patty rocks, she is the Queen in my mind!! LOVE that Patty. Sure wish I could work for her!! Ruby _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:01:16 -0500 From: Judy Lev Subject: MM: NPC:Lilith Fair Milwaukee Does anyone need to tickets to the show? Its August 24 in Milwaukee, WI. Tickets were 49 each and I am even willing to negotiate. Please email me if you're interested. Thanks Judy ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #213 *********************************