From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #171 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Tuesday, June 8 1999 Volume 03 : Number 171 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: more on covers... [Pamela Pollock ] MM: Diversity in covers [JohnRN24@aol.com] MM: Re: Covering Patty's songs. ["Charlie Sweeney" ] MM: Cover debate - Bette/Sheena, Dixie Chicks/Maria McKee ["Atwell, Timot] MM: RE: Bette Midler ["Paquin, John" ] MM: Re: what does paul think? [Harry A Keates ] Re: MM: RE: Bette Midler [Mark Miazga ] RE: MM: RE: Bette Midler ["Luca, Joseph" ] RE: MM: RE: Bette Midler ["Paquin, John" ] Re: MM: covers [Shannon Mast ] MM: royalties [Julie E Graham ] MM: covering Patty's songs [Julie E Graham ] MM: NPC: Re: covering Patty's songs ["Victoria Chenevey" Subject: MM: more on covers... The Dixie Chicks did a cover of a Maria McKee song, and she said she was grateful, as it was gonna pay her rent for the next year, as well as finance her next record (the poor thing got dumped from Geffen and now has no label behind her). Certainly Patty has nothing to lose and everything to gain (money, greater exposure etc.) And to Victoria: Torn was originally written and performed by the LA band, Ednaswap. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 03:50:16 EDT From: JohnRN24@aol.com Subject: MM: Diversity in covers I just wanted to mention that the song "To make you feel my love was performed by Billie Joel, Garth Brooks AND Bob Dylan, so the listener really gets 3 different perspectives on that song. Also, Bob Dylan gets lots of $$$ and recognition as he's not the only guy singing his song, so that's gotta be good for him. Also too, one of Beth Orton's best songs "I Wish I Never Saw the Sunshine" is really one of somebody else's best songs, but she does a wonderful job on it, so I'm anxious to hear the Chicks take on Patty Griffin. :-) John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 07:22:08 -4000 From: "Charlie Sweeney" Subject: MM: Re: Covering Patty's songs. Hi all, Victoria wrote: > I'm not sure how I feel about other's covering Patty's songs, but I've got > a couple questions (not being in *the biz*): > > 1) Can someone cover Patty's song without her permission? Please read this whole thing before replying. Once a song has been published (either written, recorded, or played in public), anyone has the right to record that song. The artist (or the publisher to whom ownership has been assigned) cannot refuse the use of a song. This right to record does not include use for commercials, or in movies which are handled as separate issues in different ways. Music cannot be used for commercials without the owner's assent. In order to use an artist's work you must obtain a mechanical license for the work. This chore is handled by the publisher directly, but more often by an agency that handles the paperwork and administers the funds for a small fee. One example is the National Music Publishers Association. Http://ww.nmpa.org Patty's songs are not administered this way, as far as i can tell. Ok, now that that's done, the artist sits back and collects $.071 per copy of the song made. If Dixie Chicks sell one million albums with a PG song on it, Patty gets $70,000. Many artists have made their careers thru other artists covers of their material. And it gets better! Performing rights organizations(PRA's ie BMI, ASCAP, SESAC) track airplay and the artist receives a payout based on airplay which can easily reach 6 or 7 figures in the case of a major hit. BTW, each copy of the song produced has the copyright owner's name on it, so those who care to read will know who wrote it. That may not mean the general public, but certainly does mean industry folk whose job it is to seek out songs for artists to record (A&R representatives) Covers have made the careers of many artists, allowing them to persue their own course in music, while paying the bills. Ergo, covers are a good thing. Charlie Sweeney (=}===# Virtual Guitarist-Something Black http://somethingblack.com http://susanwerner.com http://karensavoca.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 07:39:26 -0000 From: "Amy Silver" Subject: MM: Re: Re: Covering Patty's songs. One other way the general public learns who wrote a song: the videos on the country music cable channels (CMT, TNN) always display the writer's name. If one of Patty's songs is a hit, it will play over and over on those stations. Amy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:30:50 -0400 From: "Atwell, Timothy" Subject: MM: Cover debate - Bette/Sheena, Dixie Chicks/Maria McKee Hey John, reminds me of every time I hear Bette Midler's "Wind Beneath my Wings", I get enraged that most everyone has never heard the so much better version done by Sheena Easton years earlier. And, BTW, the Dixie Chicks did a cover of a Maria McKee song and she expressed thanks for the royalties. Tim Atwell Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 01:50:40 EDT From: JohnRN24@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: covers As long as nobody complains that Patty covered ''them''. I've had to correct friends before on that whole Fleetwood Mac vs. Smashing Pumpkins thing, and it irritated me that a group i liked (Mac) was being reamed for covering Pumpkins. Not only would that not be possible as Mac was not together at the time, but let's give a little more credit to the more established band! - --------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 09:30:33 -0500 From: "Paquin, John" Subject: MM: RE: Bette Midler She also did "From a Distance" a Nancy Griffith song that Nancy did with 100 times more feeling. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:32:05 -0400 From: Harry A Keates Subject: MM: Re: what does paul think? Paul Russell wrote: a bunch of stuff mainly about how he didn't like covers, and then wrote: > So, I guess it's like I''m not really caring anymore. I mean, that one >woman redid Cindy Lauper's "time after time" and it was good. But it can >never be as good as Cindy's, ya dig what I'm shouting here? Ironically, Cindy's version is somewhat of a cover of a song that was mainly written by Rob Hyman of the Hooters. Cindy is given co-writing credit on it, but the Hooters had performed a verision of the song prior to working with Cindy. Kind of like saying that "Because the night" was a Patty Smith song that Bruce Springsteen later covered, when it was really Bruce who wrote the song and gave it to Patty to record (by the way, were you thinking of this instead of Jesse's girl?? I've never heard of Bruce covering Jesse's girl). When the Hooters relased it themselves many years later, it was considered a cover song, even though they had originated it. All of the songs on that album were written by other artists, only a couple of which she even collaborated on. Even her "signature" tune, "girls just want to have fun" was written by Robert Hazard. so you never know. Harry ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 11:56:13 -0400 From: Mark Miazga Subject: Re: MM: RE: Bette Midler It wasn't a Nancy Griffith song either. It was written by Julie something-or-other. It says so on the CD liner notes, and Nancy also mentions that it's not her song when playing it live. So it's a cover for both of them. Paquin, John wrote: > She also did "From a Distance" a Nancy Griffith song that Nancy did with 100 > times more feeling. - -- Mark Miazga e-mail: miazgama@pilot.msu.edu 302 Mason Hall, MSU East Lansing, MI 48825 (517) 355-2080 http://www.msu.edu/~miazgama Program Coordinator of The Common Grounds Coffeehouse. Cheap Concerts every Thursday and Friday night in the basement of Akers Hall on the MSU campus. Schedule, booking, and mailing list info at: http://www.msu.edu/~miazgama/coffee "I'm not into working out. My philosophy: No pain, no pain." -- Carol Leifer "Don't be tempted by the shiny apple / Don't you eat that bitter fruit / Hunger only for a taste of justice / Hunger only for a world of truth / 'cuz all that you have is your soul" -- Tracy Chapman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:00:23 -0400 From: "Luca, Joseph" Subject: RE: MM: RE: Bette Midler I believe it's Julie Gold... -----Original Message----- From: Mark Miazga [SMTP:miazgama@pilot.msu.edu] Sent: Monday, June 07, 1999 11:56 AM To: Paquin, John Cc: 'mad-mission@smoe.org' Subject: Re: MM: RE: Bette Midler It wasn't a Nancy Griffith song either. It was written by Julie something-or-other. It says so on the CD liner notes, and Nancy also mentions that it's not her song when playing it live. So it's a cover for both of them. Paquin, John wrote: > She also did "From a Distance" a Nancy Griffith song that Nancy did with 100 > times more feeling. -- Mark Miazga e-mail: miazgama@pilot.msu.edu 302 Mason Hall, MSU East Lansing, MI 48825 (517) 355-2080 http://www.msu.edu/~miazgama Program Coordinator of The Common Grounds Coffeehouse. Cheap Concerts every Thursday and Friday night in the basement of Akers Hall on the MSU campus. Schedule, booking, and mailing list info at: http://www.msu.edu/~miazgama/coffee "I'm not into working out. My philosophy: No pain, no pain." -- Carol Leifer "Don't be tempted by the shiny apple / Don't you eat that bitter fruit / Hunger only for a taste of justice / Hunger only for a world of truth / 'cuz all that you have is your soul" -- Tracy Chapman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:58:41 -0500 From: "Paquin, John" Subject: RE: MM: RE: Bette Midler D'OH! Sorry for that stupid misinformation!! This isn't the first time this has happened, either. I am currently looking for a full-time editor to scrutinize each word I intend to write or say before it leaves my brain. Any takers? - -john ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 12:31:08 PDT From: Shannon Mast Subject: Re: MM: covers Here's my own two cents about the Dixie Chicks/Patty thing. I agree that the whole thing could be good PR for Patty *IF* she's given credit publicly. I can't help but think of Ugly Kid Joe's version of Harry Chapin's "Cats in the Cradle." Half of the people my age don't have a clue that it was a Chapin original. I think it has the potential to be very good; I just hope that #1. They do the song(s) justice and #2. Patty's given adequate recognition. And that's all I have to say about that. :) Shannon _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 15:13:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Julie E Graham Subject: MM: royalties > Ok, now that that's done, the artist sits back and collects $.071 > per copy of the song made. If Dixie Chicks sell one million albums > with a PG song on it, Patty gets $70,000. Many artists have made > their careers thru other artists covers of their material. And it > gets better! > Performing rights organizations(PRA's ie BMI, ASCAP, SESAC) track > airplay and the artist receives a payout based on airplay which can > easily reach 6 or 7 figures in the case of a major hit. Thanks very much for the rundown on how this works. I've often wondered how this works. I work at a radio station so often I get some cool stuff in the mail. When Steve Poltz solo album came out, I was lucky enough to receive an EP and an electronic press kit. An EPK includes interviews and info about an album. One of the stories Steve told dealt with him co-writing "You Were Meant for Me". He was on tour with his band when their van broke down in northern California. Standing in Pep-boys late at night, Steve was wondering how to pay for the $200 pump the van needed. Just then YWMFM came on the muzak system. He yelled, "Shit! I just made 3.75 cents! Charge it!" I'm sure Steve made a pretty penny for all the airplay YWMFM got. I hope Patty will be as lucky. :) Julie "Raised by Wolves in Alaska. Learned to yodel at the moon. Lived in a van on the San Diego freeway, only stopped for gas...." - Jewel reflects jokingly of critics' view of her childhood. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 15:16:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Julie E Graham Subject: MM: covering Patty's songs > One other way the general public learns who wrote a song: the videos on the > country music cable channels (CMT, TNN) always display the writer's name. If > one of Patty's songs is a hit, it will play over and over on those stations. > > Amy Very true! I loved Trisha Yearwood singing "Sleep While I Drive". While watching the video, I learned Melissa Ethridge actually wrote it. Julie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:30:25 -0700 From: "Victoria Chenevey" Subject: MM: NPC: Re: covering Patty's songs >>>>Very true! I loved Trisha Yearwood singing "Sleep While I Drive". While watching the video, I learned Melissa Ethridge actually wrote it.<<<< Yes, Julie, Melissa wrote it and performs it better!! The original line of "I'll buy you boots in Texas" was "I'll buy you glasses in Texas". I'm smiling cause I just scored two tickets to see Melissa on Saturday in LA at the Radio and Records Convention!!! Sorry for the NPC post, but just had to share this! Vickie ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #171 *********************************