From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #169 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Sunday, June 6 1999 Volume 03 : Number 169 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: NPC: MM: Letterman date change/ANOTHER TV show/Dixie Chicks to cover Patty [Judy Lev ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 00:36:03 -0500 From: Judy Lev Subject: Re: NPC: MM: Letterman date change/ANOTHER TV show/Dixie Chicks to cover Patty In response to Mike's comment, I personally disagree. When I first heard Alanna Davis's version of Ani Difranco's 32 Flavors, I was disgusted, angry, annoyed, and any other adjective I left out. Then, I started thinking about how many more people were going to have the opportunity to hear Ani because of this. See, Ani doesn't want to sign on any major label or get radio play, so Alanna did it for her. I'm not sure why exactly Alanna Davis decided to cover this song (which I actually grew to like her version), but if it was to give Ani some exposure and introduce people to an amazing singer/songwriter, then Kudo's to her. As far as Dixie Chicks singing it, I think that for anyone to sing a Patty tune, it's definitely an opportunity to display some vocal talent. I, personally, get exhausted every time I finish singing along with Patty on any tune....so if they can handle this and make it sound at all decent, hell, i think it's pretty cool....that's my opinion...thanks. later, judy Mike Connell wrote: > I wrote: > >In some interesting news, two recording acts are doing Patty songs on their > >next albums/projects. The Dixie Chicks have recorded "Let Him Fly" for > >their upcoming album while Martina McBride is going to cut "Goodbye" for > >her next project. > > Personally, I am not sure how I feel about that. I'd much rather the music > world learns of these songs through Pattys' vocal chords. I mean, I > obviously don't know if either of these artists intend to release the songs > as a single, but lately it seems like the Dixie Chicks could sing the TV > Guide and it would sell briskly. So if either of these has a hit with a > Patty tune, yeah, sure it would give Patty exposure in the music industry, > but I am not at all sure it will turn anyone in the listening audience on > to Patty Griffin. How many of the general listening audience pays attention > to who wrote a song? I know WE do when it comes to "our Patty" and whatever > she sings, especially when it's a cover, but if the Chicks turn Let Him Fly > into a hit, most people (like my mother) who loves the Chicks won't have a > clue who wrote it, nor much less care. > > I am not saying I am against it, I think I am saying/feeling that I am > anxious to see the world learn of Patty's singing. Perhaps I am saying > this seems like it's trivial when it comes to Patty's career (unless maybe > many start covering Patty or start recording unreleased Patty tunes and she > becomes a hit songwriter) > > "Geez Mike, what ARE you trying to say?" > > I dunno. > > I'm curious as to what some of the rest of you feel about this. > > Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 10:09:23 EDT From: EveryLittleBit@aol.com Subject: MM: covers The fact that people are covering more of Patty songs can be nothing but good for her. Why ? She'll get royalty money off of it, without becoming overly famous. How often do you pay attention to who wrote a song? So she'll be making money, and the good thing is if the songs bomb, noobody can blame her. Regardless of how much talent The Dixie Chicks do or do not have, they're big right now, so if they cover any Patty song (especially one she won't release) it's nothing but good for her. Yay for Patty! Rachel:D ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 10:26:32 EDT From: Mooodeee@aol.com Subject: MM: your .02 on Patty's 0.071 Hey fellow Mishers!! Who pays attention to unknown people who write great songs?? Let me tell you... Everyone in the music industry who deals with songwriting and publishing. Publishing is more of an industry than most people realize. A considerable portion of the millions of dollars that most people assume ALL go to the mega superstars actually go to the people who write the songs those mega superstars sing. Currently the royalty structure for any song under 5 minutes is 0.071 per CD sold. If that song is never released as a hit, but is simply included on a record that has another song that IS a hit, than in terms of royalties for the album sales you get paid the same 0.071 per song under five minutes per CD sold. So if the Dixie Chicks make a CD that includes "Let Him Fly" that sells 10 million copies, then simply do the math... what is 10 million times $0.071? And that's not considering if it's the hit... because if it IS the hit, then you can include royalties from radio and tv airplay and film use and the sale of CD singles, so considering doubling, tripling or quadrupling that number. Pretty sweet, huh? Now you understand some of the appeal of being a professional songwriter... or even the appeal of being a profesional songwriter who is not necessarily a performing songwriter... you can keep your day job or do whatever you want and in your leisure time write great songs, get signed with a publishing company like Hammstein and they will pitch your songs for you (at a percentage) and you can collect the royalty checks and trophys. Of all music genres, country music is the one genre that is the most hungry for great songs. Speaking as a songwriter who runs a very small publishing company, to have the Dixie Chicks and Martina McBride cover your songs, i promise you is a VERY big deal. ;-) Mimi in Austin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 11:53:50 EDT From: MistyBC@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: Dixie Chicks to cover Patty Hello everyone! First of all, let me say that my two favorite country artists are Martina McBride and the Dixie Chicks!!!!!! I know that most Patty fans probably aren't country fans, but I'm from Tennessee, so I'm excused. This probably isn't relevant to this list, but I thought I'd take this chance to rave about both Martina and the Chicks. :) Martina McBride has the most powerful voice I've ever heard. The odd thing is, she's no taller than 5'1" and weighs no more than 100 pounds. But she has this voice that will knock you out! (Sound familiar to anyone? Knock, knock--PATTY?) Any songwriter who has Martina cover their songs should be oh-so happy. Because, #1, every single she releases gets played over and over on country radio. And, #2, she's gonna make your song sound SO GOOD. So, I guess this is obvious, but I can't wait to hear Martina's version of "Goodbye". Also, a little tidbit of info, while at Patty's recent Nashville show, I saw Martina backstage! At Lucinda William's encore, I really, really wanted to shout out "MARTINA! MARTINA! MARTINA!" but I felt it was inappropriate. Anyway, one last thing about Martina--If you like female voices, if you *sorta* like country, BUY HER LATEST ALBUM!!!!!!! It's called "Evolution," and it includes one of my *all-time* favorite songs--"Happy Girl". "Happy Girl" was written by Beth Nielsen-Chapman and I know that because I read my liner notes like any good girl should do. And so I bought one of Beth's albums and soon became a big fan of hers. But I like Martina's "Happy Girl" better. Oops. Maybe I'm not the norm, but I always pay attention to songwriters. Maybe that's cause I'm in Nashville, where writing a hit song is many people's life goal. I promise you that these cover songs will be noticed here in "Music City," if nowhere else. People (I mean, um, songwriters and music industry types) obsess over this stuff and if Patty ever wants to "go country," she'll have the groundwork laid. Man, I've babbled so much, I probably shouldn't talk about the Dixie Chicks. But I'll just say one thing... THEY TOTALLY ROCK. Okay, I have to say one more thing--The Dixie Chicks are the real deal. They might dress funky and they might sell temporary tattoos and pins that say "CHICKS KICK ASS" and they might wear paper clip dresses to the Grammys, BUT they also play their own instruments and occasionally write their own songs. Also, did I say that they ROCK? Now that I've done my good deed for country music, I'll shut up. I'm sorry if country music makes you want to upchuck on your keyboard--you're missing out. In conclusion, I think this is great exposure for Patty, a great way for her to earn some extra cash, and a great thing for country music (an area that usually doesn't hear passionate songs such as Patty's). Wear sunscreen, Misty, who is still sunburnt from last weekend's boat experience. Mike wrote: >In some interesting news, two recording acts are doing Patty songs on their >next albums/projects. The Dixie Chicks have recorded "Let Him Fly" for >their upcoming album while Martina McBride is going to cut "Goodbye" for >her next project. > >Mike :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:21:07 EDT From: Flakeybird@aol.com Subject: MM: Patty on Letterman/Dixie Chicks/Martina McBride In a message dated 6/5/99 5:08:13 AM, you wrote: <> I usually pay attention to who wrote a song. I'm sure many other people out there do too, however, if I were Patty, I would be thrilled. I think Goodbye is a great tune for Martina McBride. I'm not that familiar with the Dixie Chicks. To me the important thing is that Patty is happy with the decision. Mike C, thanks for bringing the news to our attention. Patty will now be on Letterman on my birthday. Yippee!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:34:50 EDT From: Remy457@aol.com Subject: MM: covers I've been sitting here the last couple of days reading others' comments on the Dixie Chicks covering a few of Patty's songs and I've finally made up my mind on how I feel about it. At first I was a little upset, thinking why should the Dixie Chicks get to redo a Patty song and increase their own popularity while Patty has already done most of the work by writing the song, recording it, and then putting it on her album. The Dixie Chicks redo the song and Patty gets little recognition for doing it first. Then I continued reading comments about how it can only be a good thing for Patty and then I started to agree. Patty will get recognition and probably gain some more fans out of it. I started thinking about covers I like but when I first heard them I didn't know they were covers. Two examples would be the Sundays doing the Rolling Stone's "Wild Horses" and the Smashing Pumpkins doing Fleetwood Mac's "Landslide." After realizing these were covers I started paying attention to more of the stuff by the older bands, particularly Fleetwood Mac and getting into there stuff. So bottom line the Dixie Chicks doing Patty song can only be a good thing for Patty. Just my .02 cents. Steve V. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 23:49:37 EDT From: Mooodeee@aol.com Subject: MM: Dixie Chicks "We'd rather be known as the ROCKERS of country music, than the *lame-asses* of rock music!!" --- Natalie Maines, Dixie Chicks from the Late Late show w/Craig Kilborn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 00:45:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Jennifer Lynn Caputo Subject: MM: Dixie Chicks Hey All! I just (about 5 minutes ago) got home from the George Strait fest (yes, that's country music!) where I saw the Dixie Chicks perform 3 songs off their new album!! woohoo!!! Awesome. In case anyone was curious it will be in stores August 30 so look for it and support them cause based on one of those past posts, if 10 of us buy it, patty will get about 71 cents :) hehe Chicks Rule! Jen :) ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #169 *********************************