From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #155 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Saturday, May 22 1999 Volume 03 : Number 155 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: RE: 6/24 Nashville show? [Julie E Graham ] MM: Queer studies [NuAgeThnkr@aol.com] MM: conan show ["James P" ] MM: scratching my head ["Paul Russell" ] MM: question [Father Virgil ] MM: NPC: kris delmhorst [Judy Lev ] MM: love ya [Father Virgil ] MM: RE: Patty at Newport ["Siegman, Elena" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 15:18:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Julie E Graham Subject: MM: RE: 6/24 Nashville show? > Hey Julie, I noticed this too, Charles Fox Guitars has a website and it > has Patty on it cuz she uses a Fox guitar. I think the site is charles > fox or something .com. You can find it by searching, maybe you could > call them at the shop and ask them. The guitar shop is in Hedelsberg > CA or something like that. > Hope this helps, Ruby Thanks Ruby! The Charles Fox website addy is www.cfoxguitars.com/index.html . There is however, no info on the show there. Julie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:07:44 EDT From: NuAgeThnkr@aol.com Subject: MM: Queer studies I have to admit, I don't like the label "Queer"... as a matter of fact, though I am open about my sexuality, the term "homosexual" bothers me... Unfortunately, in spite of every word's denotative meaning, each word has all the connotative stuff attached... so, am I "homosexual"? denotatively, yes... but all the implied crap that MIGHT go with a word like "homosexual" (i.e. "effeminate, nellie, drag queen, promiscuous, etc.") may not apply to me... I realize this idea might cause some trouble as the connotative meanings behind a word may frequently be tied in to stereotyping... a concept I do NOT agree with (but I do find that I have to work against it within myself on a constant basis) yet, I do accept that it exists in other people (sometimes unconsciously)... so that when I came out to my sister several years ago (after she had pretty much guessed) I found myself having to explain that I was not promiscuous, not a drag queen, but that I could in fact dance, and do hair... ...(that's a joke)... I HATED that I had to explain something that was so "natural" to me, but it honestly was new and "unnatural" to my sister... and, in spite of her 100% acceptance and total love, I found myself meeting her hairdresser at the next holiday gathering--her attempt to make sure I didn't grow old alone and to make me feel loved in the best manner she could... Needless to say, a word like "queer" denotatively means someone who is "different" and the last way I would describe myself is "different"--except for my sexual orientation, and even that is not really "different" unless heterosexuality is seen as the only "normal" orientation--so I disagree with the use of the word "queer" for ME as an individual... On the other hand, as far as it's relation to a group of people that includes me, I accept it.... for now... "Black" studies became "African-American" studies... "Queer" theory (also known as Gay/Lesbian studies) may become?... And in a lot of ways the gradual acceptance of people of color is similar to the acceptance of "queers" (and in a lot of ways, not)-- for example, "black" was a term of empowerment for many (i.e. "black power") but quickly fell out of favor as it fed the stereotype in many ways and sometimes inspired division ("high yellow" vs. "ebon") and in some ways the word "queer" seems to be following that path... so... Tony comes across as "queer" or is perceived as the "local fag". Is he gay? I don't know... What is gay? Was I gay when I knew I was different even though I had never had sex? Or did I become gay the moment I touched a penis other than my own? And even then, mightn't I just be bisexual? Or experimenting? Or straight, but drunk? (another joke)... Tony's problem was not what he was, but what he was "perceived as"... and that's the point of the song... he was different... for whatever reason... and society has a problem with people who are different... and that is something worth trying to change... - --Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:24:01 -0500 From: "James P" Subject: MM: conan show Okay, I know this subject is way old, but I just got through watching the Patty appearance on Conan. I thought it was great! Yeah, the guitars were a little loud but I could hear Patty's voice loud and clear and I didn't hear her sing out of key once. She looked nervous, but great, and I think it was a great appearance. Gee, you guys had me ready to spend the whole 3 minutes cringing and hiding my face in embarrassment for Patty. What a pleasant surprise! -Cristina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:08:32 PDT From: "Paul Russell" Subject: MM: scratching my head Hi all!! uhm... Hey, Shelley that was pretty cool what you did with that gray bar showing what others wrote. How do you do that? :) Uh, since I got onto my email account and there was 197 messages I kinda figured there was some sort of deep discussion. I deleted them instead of sitting at my desk for hours glued to the computer. Sorry I wasn't involved, but hey. I'm a dick like that. :P ****actually patty griffin related**** Uh, I really like "go now", so hmmmmm, what does it mean/symbolize/stand for? How about love? two people in love, one professing it to the other? I kinda like to think of that song as almost a tribute to an earlier era with songs like that being heard all the time from Frank Sinatra and others. So, it could really mean absolutely nothing at all in a way. ***on a personal note**** I would write more but I can't focus. I'm busier than a 3-dollar whore, my apartment is all a mess, my car has a FREAKING FLAT TIRE (yeah, those 60,000 mile tires work like Mili Vanili) and my fridge conked out on me leaving me foodless and cold-beer-less. I'm having a rough week. Well, I can always dance. (ha ha ha) Oh, I read a couple of posts on idolizing and stuff.... don't sweat it. We're all people. Hell, I urinated with Charles Grodin when I was at CNBC before they canned his ass. I didn't think anything about it. I don't think I've ever tried to go out of my way to meet anyone famous.....although I wouldn't have minded meeting Sheryl Crow. But then again, if I wasn't holding an intellegent conversation with her it wouldn't be worth it (besides the "staring at the breasts" thing...but I can do that anytime to anyone). I've said enough an I got no 4-1-1 on nothin else. I'm gettin gone. Gotta make like a fetus and head out. peace love and vegetable rights, paul ************************* * He was a wise man * * who invented beer. * * * * --Plato * ************************* _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 20:54:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Father Virgil Subject: MM: question Hi, I'm new to the list, nice to meet y'all.=] Does anyone know how much Patty usually plays when she opens for someone? Thanks. =] Greg =============================================================================== "If ya can't do it, teach it, if ya can't teach it, TEACH PHYS. ED!!!!!" - -Father Virgil (NUNSENSE: JAMBOREE) =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 19:53:03 -0500 From: Judy Lev Subject: MM: NPC: kris delmhorst hey all... just wanted to enlighten you for a sec. So, at a coffee shop in Madison recently, I had the privelege to be introduced to a marvelous singer from Boston. She is absolutely incredible and so much fun to see live. I just wanted to introduce you to her. Her album is really good...Patty Larkin does some work on it, incase you know her. I talked to her a lot after the show, and she's so sweet. We talked a lot about Patty Griffin...she loves her too. later kids, judy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:13:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Father Virgil Subject: MM: love ya I just have to say, I love you all....you have to be great people to be fans of Patty Griffin....actually that's not necessarily true, but its fun to dream...most of you are definitely quite awesome i'm sure. =] - -Greg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 19:14:34 -0700 From: "Siegman, Elena" Subject: MM: RE: Patty at Newport So I guess this isn't a tour, huh? bummed for the first time to be living in california... elena > -----Original Message----- > From: lgrady@LNMTA.bentley.edu [SMTP:lgrady@LNMTA.bentley.edu] > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 1999 9:43 AM > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: MM: Patty at Newport > > > > Hi All! > > I'm behind on reading my patty digests, so I don't know if this has been > discussed or not, but... > Patty is playing at Newport Folk! > > There are lots of other great artists on the the list - catie Curtis, > Martin > Sexton, and the Indigo Girls, to just name a few... > > Check out their website - www.newportfolk.com > > I went last year for the first time - we only went for one day, and had a > good > time - the crowd, traffic, and walk to the site was overwhelming - but > there's > lots of great music, and the festival is help up against the side of an > old fort > overlooking the water - it's a nice place to spend a day or two! > > We're planning on making a weekend of it this year - hope to see some of > you > there! > > Laurel > ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #155 *********************************