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mad-mission-digest       Wednesday, May 19 1999       Volume 03 : Number 147



                               Today's Subjects:
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  MM: Patty Yahoo club!!..AGAIN..sorry                    [UMCaner74@aol.com]
  HAN MM: A Question At The end of the Paragraph           [Suzsteph@aol.com]
  Re: MM: Patty Yahoo club!!..AGAIN..sorry                 [Hejjira1@aol.com]
  MM: Old subject                                           [Zelly72@aol.com]
  Re: MM: Old subject                                [EveryLittleBit@aol.com]

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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:30:24 EDT
From: UMCaner74@aol.com
Subject: MM: Patty Yahoo club!!..AGAIN..sorry

Hey guys,

I was all proud of myself doing that Yahoo club thing last night..but what I 
didn't realize was that Rachel already had one..and HAS for over a year now!  
 oops!!

We've decided to go with her already established club of over 25 members 
already, rather than the one I just started.

There is a message board there, as well as a chat room where we can get 
together!   I think the majority of us are on the east coast, but there are 
alot of us that are on the west coast..or somewhere in between..Jen, Marc, 
Ruby, Jen, Kate, Paul, and Ronda just to name a FEW.  So I don't know if 
trying a once a week get together is best, or if a general time during 
weeknights where you can just go and see if anyone's there is the best bet to 
get alot of people there at once.  

I'm guessing that it will be tough to just say...8pm EST on Wednesday nights 
is going to make everyone happy, and I don't want to leave anyone out.  

So to make a long story shorter..I think just to say, between 8 and 9 EST, 
between 5 and 6 PST any night, may be a good idea...let me kow if you guys 
think this works or not.  Of course, we could just be spontaneous and just 
show up whenever we damn well feel like it too...I really enjoy alot of you 
guy's posts..and it would be great to not only get to know you all 
better..but be able to chat about Patty amongst each other instead of email 
every once in a while!

Ok, here's the link to the club!

 <A HREF="http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/pattygriffin">Yahoo! Clubs pattygriffin
</A> 

If the link doesn't work..here is the address   
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/pattygriffin

Have a good night/day everyone!

Love,

Dave

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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 20:57:52 EDT
From: Suzsteph@aol.com
Subject: HAN MM: A Question At The end of the Paragraph

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In a message dated 5/18/99 6:50:34 PM, batesmotel@brown.edu writes:

<< I don't need queerness to be the focus of music I listen to.  In fact, when
the Indigo Girls went more in that direction I got turned off.  Life is
stories and stories include all kinds of people!!

Han >>
I have to agree, I am lesbian and I don't care what a performer's sexual 
orientation is--all I care about is the message and the soul in the music. 
The world would be an awesome place if we were just all considered people 
having a human experience.
Not to contradict myself but, I think it is very positive that performers 
aren't afraid to be who they really are--it opens the doors for all of us to 
be more liberated. It hopefully one day will create an attitude of apathy 
toward people's differences.
Stephanie

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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:46:07 -0400
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From: Han <batesmotel@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: MM: A Question At The end of the Paragraph
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Hey,

I am just glad Patty can sing about queers and have it be part of the
fabric of the stories that make up her lyrics... 

I am bi, and I know that Patty's following consists of all different
people, but lots of queer women have always been into chick rock, woman
folk singers, etc.  It's the strong woman thing.  The independent thinker
thing.  But I don't think it has any link to why I listen to her.  I am a
huge Nanci Griffith fan, who is open minded and liberal but has never, to
my knowledge, written lyrics about non-straight people much.  

Patty is beautiful, I can't deny that!

I don't need queerness to be the focus of music I listen to.  In fact, when
the Indigo Girls went more in that direction I got turned off.  Life is
stories and stories include all kinds of people!!

Han

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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 22:14:36 EDT
From: Hejjira1@aol.com
Subject: Re: MM: Patty Yahoo club!!..AGAIN..sorry

In a message dated 5/18/99 6:39:18 PM EST, UMCaner74@aol.com writes:

<< Of course, we could just be spontaneous and just 
 show up whenever we damn well feel like it too...I really enjoy alot of you 
 guy's posts..and it would be great to not only get to know you all 
 better..but be able to chat about Patty amongst each other instead of email 
 every once in a while! >>

Hey Dave,
I'm up for it 100%.........I honestly used to just read you guys' post and 
never put in my two cents or participate.......but you guys really interest 
me and it seems like you all have such great ideas and views.  I would love 
to be able to interact with you more at the moment than thru email!!  I'll 
keep an eye out for ya's!

Peace out,
Paul Dunn

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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 00:31:21 EDT
From: Zelly72@aol.com
Subject: MM: Old subject

Not to bring up old, bad stuff, but I finally got around to looking for the 
Rolling Stone article that mentioned Patty doing house concerts.  It was in 
the July 9-23, 1998 issue (Madonna on the cover), in the Grapevine section.  
They were talking about the concert Jewel did and then mentioned that Cindy 
Lee Berryhill has done 16 living room concerts, saying "she has played in 
about sixteen homes, sometimes drawing more that 100 fans, each of whom 
donates $10" ($10!! wouldn't that be nice, lol).  Then it says, ""The Living 
Room Tour" trend has spread, and subsequent shows have been held in cities 
across the country.  While many of these artists are local folk singers, 
higher-profile acts such as Freedy Johnston, Patty Griffin and Steve Poltz 
have expressed interest."  And it says that Steve Poltz has done a living 
room concert and was hoping to do at least 6 more during his tour and "This 
is about as intimate as it gets..." 

Just wanted you guys to know that it really was in there, it just took me a 
while to find it, lol.  But I can understand not wanting to do it too.  I 
mean, wouldn't it be kind of freaky to have these people staring at you so 
close up, not knowing them, not knowing if anyone's kinda psycho or anything. 
 Not saying that anyone is, just that how is she supposed to know.

Peace,
Terri

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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 01:01:22 EDT
From: EveryLittleBit@aol.com
Subject: Re: MM: Old subject

In a message dated 5/19/99 4:35:04 AM, Zelly72@aol.com writes:

<< Not to bring up old, bad stuff, but I finally got around to looking for 
the 
Rolling Stone article that mentioned Patty doing house concerts.  It was in 
the July 9-23, 1998 issue (Madonna on the cover), in the Grapevine section.  
They were talking about the concert Jewel did and then mentioned that Cindy 
Lee Berryhill has done 16 living room concerts, saying "she has played in 
about sixteen homes, sometimes drawing more that 100 fans, each of whom 
donates $10" ($10!! wouldn't that be nice, lol).  Then it says, ""The Living 
Room Tour" trend has spread, and subsequent shows have been held in cities 
across the country.  While many of these artists are local folk singers, 
higher-profile acts such as Freedy Johnston, Patty Griffin and Steve Poltz 
have expressed interest."  And it says that Steve Poltz has done a living 
room concert and was hoping to do at least 6 more during his tour and "This 
is about as intimate as it gets..." >>

Just wanted you guys to know that it really was in there, it just took me a 
while to find it, lol.  But I can understand not wanting to do it too.  I 
mean, wouldn't it be kind of freaky to have these people staring at you so 
close up, not knowing them, not knowing if anyone's kinda psycho or anything. 
 Not saying that anyone is, just that how is she supposed to know. >>

I've been to a few of these mentioned Living Room concerts.  Sure, they're 
low profile, and they don't make big profits, but they're wonderful.  I went 
to one a couple of years ago with Cindy Lee Berryhill and Elizabeth Hummell 
on my birthday, where they sang to me and then joined in eating the birthday 
cake. After the concert a few w I went to had Cindy Lee (again), Lisa 
Sanders, and  another girl who's name I forget, which really sucks because 
she was the best of the three and I got her album. Anyway, the concert was at 
a beach house, and it was wonderful because there was  singing all evening 
long, continuing long after the sun went down.

BUT, let me also say this- the LRT is the kind of thing that only works for 
people who can interact well with their fans on a close-up level.  Steve, 
Cindy Lee, Elizabeth- most of the people who did the concerts were Jewel's 
singing cronies in San Diego back in the old days.  The Living Room Tour was 
started as these artists doing small concerts for people on the Jewel mailing 
list. Most of these artists mostly enjoyed travelling the country and singing 
for small groups of people who had heard of them before and were truly 
interested in the money-instead of opening for some bigger star when most of 
the audience didn't give a damn about them. They enjoyed the traveling, and 
the singing-for-your-supper mentality (although they usually got fed by the 
people who were hosting the concerts in their houses).  Patty was connected 
about doing one, but she never did. I don't think Patty is good at dealing 
with fans- she's probably shy, but I think she'll never get much past a 
handshake, a picture taken, and some small talk. That's ok, though- maybe 
she'll retain more of her personality. Plus, she's a bigger star than any of 
the other people who did LRTs (with the exception of maybe Steve), so she 
doesn't need the exposure, or the travel.

I just don't want anyone getting too excited about the idea, because while it 
would be cool, I just don't see her as the type to do it. Am I the only one 
who feels this way?

Rachel:D

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