From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #146 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Tuesday, May 18 1999 Volume 03 : Number 146 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: NPC: Natalie Merchant discussion [JohnRN24@aol.com] Re: MM: NPC: Natalie Merchant discussion... clarifying [JohnRN24@aol.com] Re: MM: NPC: Natalie Merchant discussion... clarifying [KimRichrds@aol.co] MM: idolotry [Flakeybird@aol.com] Re: MM: EVERYONE please read! [Wendy J ] RE: MM: Lyrics and/or tabs archive?.for LISA ["Paquin, John" ] Re: MM: A Question At The end of the Paragraph [Han Subject: Re: MM: EVERYONE please read! Cool, Dave!! I'll definitely be there to chat!! - -Wendy J. - --- UMCaner74@aol.com wrote: > Hey guys, > > Me again..ok, as everyone was chatting before the > "Patty chat" we all kind > of came up with the idea of creating a Patty club of > sorts...where we could > get together and have scheduled online chats and > stuff like that. Since we > all get along so well through email, and the > chatting was going well, why > not?? > > So I went to Yahoo and created the "Patty's Mad > Mission" club. I don't > really know what I doing with it yet..totally..but > it's up and running for > now. You can go and post messages, and there is a > chat section which I > didn't even look into yet. > > Everyone who's interested in this..I would like > feedback from you on when > would be a good time of the week for us to get > together. I know it will be > tough with everyone's work schedules, and being that > we're in different time > zones, that will be tough too..so maybe we can > arrange something where there > are 2 different times to possibly > meet..whatever..I'm rambling here.. > > You have to JOIN the club to be able to post > anything, or use the chat, so > here's the link to the club... > HREF="http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/pattysmadmission?as">Yahoo! > Clubs > pattysmadmission > > > I'm hoping since it's with Yahoo..this may create > some more interest for > Patty, and hopefully gain her a few more fans! > > I'm REALLY off to bed now.. > > Dave > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:00:35 -0500 From: "Paquin, John" Subject: RE: MM: Lyrics and/or tabs archive?.for LISA The link for the tab archive is: http://members.tripod.com/~Lifey/patty.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:38:26 -0500 From: rblack1@io.com (Ronda Blacksher) Subject: Re: MM: NPC: Natalie Merchant discussion... clarifying Hi Kim. Welcome. It is the list for beloved P.G., but you'll find a wide range of topics covered. The "NPC" up top stands for Non-Patty-Content. So, trash if you're not interested. Ronda At 06:48 AM 5/18/99 EDT, KimRichrds@aol.com wrote: >Hey, I'm new to the list, but I was just making sure that this is in fact a >Patty Griffin list... :) > >Kim > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 11:04:10 -0700 From: hilah@ix.netcom.com Subject: MM: Idolatry and run-on sentances some sleepy thoughts re the idolatry discussion. i'm not sure if this has been touched on or not but i feel part of the power, so to speak, that celebrity can exert on us, particularly in this day and age, is a result of the technologies which have been developed to the extent that we can share our time with people we haven't met on a nearly constant basis. this is to say we can listen, should we choose to, patty g say, while showering, eating, sleeping, lovemaking, working, you name it. this in a way constitutes an intimacy further unfolded by the fact that we are happy, sad, hungry, ecstatic, etc. during these listenings, and the voice is our companion within these emotions and events, helping us to resolve pain, enjoy pleasure, and have some insight into the comings and goings of living a life. for some it is likely that the voices they most often hear belong to folks they've never met, and so these "intimate" relationships gather real "power". meaning is thought by some to be in part the result of repetition. conscious repetition is ritual, and is self empowering. unconscious repetition is habit, and is disempowering/disintegrating to the self. though we are fortunate enough from time to time to get to hear of various concerns people on this list may have in their personal lives , the common element of this list is a person that seemingly none of us know as a day to day friend, yet share as an intimate experiential companion. negotiating these people as an earthly flesh sensation into our lives is an understandable impulse, as if there is simply some catching up to do so that they can feel as close to us as us to them, and then we'll be great friends. this is a context for projection, there it is a psych term, and what i feel is interesting is that we most assuredly are able to do it with people we do share air at close quarters with on a regular basis. this is towards suggesting it is beneficial for us to consider what being a friend or member of a community really is to us, and how it is we might expect that patty g for instance might be considered in this regard. maternal thinking by sara ruddick is a good book which develops an interesting framework for this understanding. if you are interested email me and we can have a more specific discussion. marshall mcluhan's work is also very insightful regarding this topic. in closing let me say that i think our active exchanging of thoughts here bodes well for the world in some ways, and may relate to some of what we are a bit predisposed to in our common appreciation of patty's music. best to all. s. ps to wendy: what do you think of cojones (a reference in another post re this topic) as a generically applied term? pps to john in sumner wa. what did you mean by the use of the term cojones as generically applied? what constitutes patty g's cojones? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:41:21 EDT From: Hejjira1@aol.com Subject: MM: A Question At The end of the Paragraph I was driving the other day in my flaming red BMW convertible listening of course to "Flaming Red" when it dawned on me that it has been about a year since this terrific album has come out. I have gone thru THREE copies of the CD since then and have yet to become tired of listening to Ms. Griffin sing about the travesty of Tony or the miracle of Mary. Over production??? Who cares!!!! The album simply rocks........just like good ole rock and roll should do. When I am driving in my car and listening to Patty I am taken to another state of mind......and I'm not being overdramatic either. It's almost as if that album has the capability of taking whatever is plaguing my mind at the moment and totally dispensing with it. No other piece of music has been able to do that for me (well ok "Hejira" by Joni Mitchell comes pretty close). I still get goosebumps listening to Tony, feel the aggravation in Change, and the all out hysteria in Wiggley Fingers. My absolute favorite song on the album though is the ethereal Blue Sky....I just wish Patty could take what she did with the song on the album and recreate it for a live audience. Anyways to the question.......I was driving with my friend the other day and was explaining basically what I have explained to yall and she told me that the reason I am affected this way by Patty is because I'm gay!!!!!????? Ok I'll admit I'm gay but what does that have to do with Patty touching me the way she does? My friend proceeded to tell me that Patty attracts a large gay following and it just struck me as odd that Ms. Griffin would be considered a focal point in the homosexual community. Granted she sings about Tony but I looked at that more as Patty looking back on the shitty life in high school than making some grand statement about homosexuals. What do you guys think? My friend is trying to tell me that Patty is swiftly becoming a voice for the gay population.......I beg to differ.....I'd be interested to hear what yall have to say!! Peace out, Paul Dunn "And I want to be addictive, I want to be secure, I want to wake up after the night before, but do you get me?" Everything But The Girl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:16:03 -0500 From: "Paquin, John" Subject: MM: RE: A Question At The end of the Paragraph I don't believe Patty's music or media persona (or lack thereof) is more relevant to gay listeners than to straight listeners. She does, however, seem to write a lot about living under oppression (Tony, Change, Poor Man's House, You Never Get What You Want) and about making difficult personal choices to attain freedom (Sweet Lorraine, Let Him Fly, You Never Get What You Want). Perhaps these topics resonate more with those who have faced oppression and/or struggled for personal freedom. I know that about a year ago we had some interesting discussions about homosexuality and its representation in popular music. It seemed as though we had a proportionately large number of "alternative lifestylers" on this list at that time. I'm not sure if that's a valid metric of the current demographic but it's interesting. I'm just happy her music has brought so many interesting people together! Interesting thread, Paul. - -john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:24:07 -0700 (PDT) From: David Doody Subject: Re: MM: A Question At The end of the Paragraph On Tue, 18 May 1999 Hejjira1@aol.com wrote: > What do you guys think? My friend is trying to tell me that Patty is > swiftly becoming a voice for the gay population.......I beg to > differ.....I'd be interested to hear what yall have to say!! Call me cynical, but Patty will never become a voice for the gay (male) population until she puts a synthesized dance track under her songs. ;-) I'm sure most of my gay friends have never heard of Patty, or never would have if it weren't for me. I have often felt like my strong affection for folky female singer/songwriters was atypical of the rest of the gay population. But maybe I'm wrong. I'd love it if more potential dates knew who the hell I was talking about if I said I was a Patty Griffin or Jonatha Brooke fan. :) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:56:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Heather Webster Subject: MM: idolatry continued The listening to and creating of music, is an outlet for us to voice our concerns, or feel the voice of others. How we relate to the words and the mix is less a reflection of who we think we are, than who we would seemingly like to become. I don't know that patty is the new gay voice, but I do think that she speaks to an audience who is more in tune with feelings and concerns that dig deeper and dream bigger than the visible surface. I am drawn to patty's music for a reason I can't explain. Not because the words have escaped me, but b/c truly, the answer has not surfaced for me yet. I do know that the people we find ourselves enamored of are those whom we feel connected to in some way. (Whether it be physical, spiritual, mental, lyrical, etc...) I admire Patty for being able to write about things and people that move her, in a way that I can't. Perhaps it's the narcissist in me that I try disregard, but I find myself writing about how people's situations make me feel , and less about what that circumstance is doing to the person whose life is being played out. So I love to be able to belt out these selfless tunes that reach farther than I can. In closing, I think that there is a geography to idolatry, a way in which the ideals of grace and renewal make themselves real in this world. Music is our redemption; we lift those up whom we admire. :) Heather _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:46:07 -0400 From: Han Subject: Re: MM: A Question At The end of the Paragraph Hey, I am just glad Patty can sing about queers and have it be part of the fabric of the stories that make up her lyrics... I am bi, and I know that Patty's following consists of all different people, but lots of queer women have always been into chick rock, woman folk singers, etc. It's the strong woman thing. The independent thinker thing. But I don't think it has any link to why I listen to her. I am a huge Nanci Griffith fan, who is open minded and liberal but has never, to my knowledge, written lyrics about non-straight people much. Patty is beautiful, I can't deny that! I don't need queerness to be the focus of music I listen to. In fact, when the Indigo Girls went more in that direction I got turned off. Life is stories and stories include all kinds of people!! Han ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #146 *********************************