From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #135 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, May 12 1999 Volume 03 : Number 135 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Patti vs Patty [diamondmask@juno.com] MM: Live Patty [Carol ] Re: MM: Live Patty [UMCaner74@aol.com] MM: my sorry ass has comments ["Paul Russell" ] Re: MM: WOWSERS... Van Morrison/Natalie [COOLTUNES5@aol.com] Re: MM: Live Patty [Han ] MM: THANK YOU!!!thank you...thankyou... [Vanessa McGowan Subject: MM: Live Patty I'm curious if those of you who have seen her live recently have been bothered by this "band problem" as we saw on Conan, and I experienced when I saw her a year ago? Are these just isolated instances, or has this been happening consistently? I'd hate to think that from the time I saw her to now, no one has told her that her band members are not in a contest of who can be louder. The point is to compliment her vocals, not overpower them. just a thought..... >>>>>>> Yikes. I did it twice in my post. Of course I meant PattY not Patti. (I have a friend named thusly). But I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought the band was over amped on Conan. I really think she needs to tone it down a bit so we can hear her. If someone reads this list who knows her and can make a suggestion.... Otherwise she's just going to be another female singer in a loud band. >>>>>john in sumner wa >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:30:06 EDT From: UMCaner74@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Live Patty Carol and others, I have only encountered the LOUD band problem one time. I have been to see Patty WITH the band 6 times since July..YIKES!..the 1st time there was a problem was when I saw her opening for Lucinda Williams Sunday night. For the 1st 3 & 1/2 songs, you could barely hear her at all. Only during quiet points in the songs. I can not figure out why it takes 3 & 1/2 songs to realize.."Hey..you can't hear her singing..maybe I should turn her UP in the mix.." After they got her UP in the mix, it seemed like the bass was a bit too loud, and the lead guitar was not quite loud enough..but HEY, I'm a guitar FREAK. I've heard her a few times on this tour when I thought the bass was louder than it had to be, but as far as having problems hearing her voice, this was the FIRST. I think her band does an excellent job with these songs live, especially considering the fact that they did not play them on the CD. If she keeps this band, I think that they should record the new CD with her, then you might see a NEW tightness in the band, b/c the songs will be THEIRS...that's just my opinion. I think that all the musicians in the band are great. Doug does some really cool stuff on guitar, as far as lead stuff and cool effects (most notably at the end of Mary, and in Little God). Billy Beard is one of the greatest drummers according to alot of people that I know who are into drumming and drummers. I'm sorry, but I can't remember the bass players name, but he is always very solid, and sounds great...sometimes a bit too loud, but that's NOT his fault! The keyboard player (can't think of his name either!), always seems to do great too..So in other words, I think the band is great....sometimes the mix is bad, but that's someone else's fault, not theirs. Anyway..that's my opinion...Patty G ROCKS!!! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:04:52 PDT From: "Paul Russell" Subject: MM: my sorry ass has comments hey there hi there ho there! Okay I'm gonna try to make this short (yeah right like I'm going to write something under 3K ) (bitch bitch bitch, moan,..that's me!) Anyway, I was out with my friends drinking Friday night before one of them was gonna get married on Saturday. I spent all (and I do mean ALL FREAKIN DAY... stupid airlines) day flying and driving to meet them. The thing is we got back to the apartment to crash and I thought "hey Patty Griffin is gonna be on Conan. I hope we didnt' miss it." etc.. So we turn it on and it was like minutes away from the performance and I'm sitting there prepping the guys. "Yeah she sounds great. blah blah blah." And.... And..... What was that?????? You know what? I just have to agree with a couple of people on this list that it was a bit wrong. And here's my gripe: I don't think the other instruments were "overpowering" her as much as whoever was doing the sound-system probably just graduated from kindergarten. What was the deal? I've mixed bands before, and that was one of the worst mixing I've ever heard. Dave and Sharyn said it right that the mix was bad. And I'm sitting there all embarrassed cuz I couldn't hear the wonderful voice; neither could my friends. Hey, Ms. Griffin, if you're reading this.. *knock knock* Helloooo! Ditch the soundguy. He sucks. The other band members were indeed very good. The only problem (which is probably none of their own) is that I could hear the guitar's every note and Griffin's voice was louder on the next TV channel. Crap it all, I could even hear Conan and Andy in conversation and no Patty Griffin while the song was playing (actually I'm overdoing it a bit, but auuuggghhhhh, you get my point). It's really not the band's fault I do believe. The only explanations I could come up with (myself being pretty damn good with audio) is that maybe patty griffin sang louder for the sound check before the show and the dork never picked that up. Which could be for many reasons including (but not limited to) him being retarded, or asleep, or not watching the levels properly. I'll have to admit I love hearing loud screeching guitars sometimes... but only when it's at the proper level with the rest of the band. What I heard on Conan was bad audio, pure and simple. And if that is what some of the people on this list mean when they're talking about her voice being overpowered at the concerts they attend, then I'm glad I didn't drive the 5 hours to see her. Do you know why? Because I would have left 5 minutes after have gotten thrown out for beating up the sound-guy. On the other hand, if that was Conan O'Brien's sound-guy then they should slap that poor intern out of the chair cuz he don't know jack about audio. Audio mixing is like bartending (had to use that analogy I suppose)... when you mix a drink with all margarita mix and a teaspoon of Cuervo Gold, it sucks. When you mix a drink with a teaspoon of margarita mix and lots of Cuervo Gold, it sucks (well, I might like it, but it's a lousy margarita so to speak). You need to put the right combo to make it beautiful. ;P---- I didn't mean to sound so ranting and raving with snot out my nose and foam at the mouth, but it just gets me that Ms. Griffin's shot on Big-boy TV sounded like that. "Blue Sky" on the Satellite Dish was much better. I hope things go better for Letterman...they should because I think they do their own sound. Let's keep our fingers crossed. On a last note*** Space Oddity is so ab fab, and Mr. Bowie sings it sooo well. I sit and listen to it every time it's on the radio. hmmmm, I could picture Ms. Merchant covering it. She's got the voice to do it justice. To be front row and center at a Sheryl Crow concert....I'd die and gone to heaven. Oh, and I actually did talk to my congressional representative and he told me that there was no such bill to charge long-distance rates each time you access the internet. He had more comments but I forget the entire content. And if Patty Griffin's Audio guy is reading this. Hey, by all means, please respond. I wanna know how you can maintain your job being so bad at it. Oh well, as always, Ma-Bell will gladly connect anyone responding to my posts. Catch ya next week, as this weekend will be more busy than last. Peace, love, and vegetable rights,(and time for another signature next chance I get) paul ********************************* * Damn, woman. I just gave you * * sweet lovin' five minutes * * ago. You tryin' to kill me? * * --Chef (from Southpark)* ********************************* _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:33:44 EDT From: COOLTUNES5@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: WOWSERS... Van Morrison/Natalie Tonight Natalie did a Van Morrison cover. It was something about "When that foghorn blows... something something... I wanna rock your Gypsy soul." I wish I was affluent in her favorite songs. ... This song is "Into The Mystic" by Van Morrison ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:38:06 -0400 From: Han Subject: Re: MM: Live Patty At 04:11 PM 5/11/99 -0800, Carol wrote: >I'm curious if those of you who have seen her live recently have been >bothered by this "band problem" as we saw on Conan, and I experienced >when I saw her a year ago? > >Are these just isolated instances, or has this been happening >consistently? I'd hate to think that from the time I saw her to now, no >one has told her that her band members are not in a contest of who can be >louder. The point is to compliment her vocals, not overpower them. Yes--I felt that way in Providence at Lupo's. But Lupo's tends to let bands drown people. The Iron Horse in Northapmton MA was so amazing... I lover her acoustic, and rocking out, but *not* drowned out... of all people she is the last whose vocals need to be de-emphasized! Han ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:55:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Vanessa McGowan Subject: MM: THANK YOU!!!thank you...thankyou... First, Thank you from the bottom of my heart Masaki and Dana!!! It's a blessing to have poeple like you in the world! Second, This list ROCKS!!! I got the rarities collection in the mail today. It's fuckin' (oops. can I say that?) AMAZING!!!! I want to express my extreme appreciation for all the work that was done to make it a possibility. If there is anything I can do for you, just ask! I'm happy to introduce people to little known artists from up here (Canada) any time(hint!:)) Third, Stupid sound guy but still brilliantly Patty!!! Peace. the faery girl === May you dream you are dreaming/ in a warm soft bed/ May the voices inside you/ that fill you with dread/ Make the sound of thousands of angels instead/ Tonight where you might be laying your head/ NOBODY'S CRYING - Patty Griffin _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:59:34 EDT From: JohnRN24@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: WOWSERS... Van Morrison/Natalie I'd like to thank everybody who emailed me with the answer to that question. ''Into the Mystic'' is a wonderful song, and I hope if Natalie is really considering doing that live album she puts that cover on it. You guys are all the coolest! Thanks for all your help! I think I'll go out and get that ''Moondance" album! I guess Van Morrison must be a great songwriter. ;-) John ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #135 *********************************