From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #131 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Saturday, May 8 1999 Volume 03 : Number 131 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: WOWSERS [JohnRN24@aol.com] MM:Goodbye [L & C Israelson ] MM: She's Big, She's Bad, She's NATIONWIDE [UMCaner74@aol.com] MM: TV-PG [L & C Israelson ] MM: blue sky ["Nancy Micciulla" ] MM: Conan show [Flakeybird@aol.com] MM: WHYYYY??????? ["James P" ] Re: MM: Conan the Destroyer [hilah@ix.netcom.com] MM: info for all [SunShiny16@aol.com] Re: MM: WOWSERS [COOLTUNES5@aol.com] MM: my last post ["Nancy Micciulla" ] MM: blue sky on conan ["Sean Palen" ] MM: what's up with lucky ohio? [LEA228@aol.com] MM: Re: Patty's songs ["Tracy Vincent" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 03:26:06 EDT From: JohnRN24@aol.com Subject: MM: WOWSERS Nobody posted on Patty's performance, how she looked like Buffy the Vampire Slayer in that cool jacket, how she's gonna blow up now that EVERYBODY knows how cool she is, or anything like that? I saw Natalie Merchant tonight (as I had said before) and she continues to do a cover of an old song that I can neither remember the title or artist who originally did it. The song is "Ground Control to Major Tom" and I have heard the original many times (Natalie's is just as good too!) and I can never pin that down. Anyway, back to the other folk-pop goddess... I just wanted to say that I never minded the fact that she didn't catch on to mainstream radio (the "oh well, more for us" theory) I just never could comprehend why she didn't, especially after "Blue Sky" on Conan. Later all... :-) John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 00:59:24 -0700 From: L & C Israelson Subject: MM:Goodbye Message-ID: <373310ED.49F@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:12:29 -0700 From: L & C Israelson Reply-To: nelliebly@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ruby maroon Subject: Re: MM: Patty's songs References: <19990506164120.10493.rocketmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ruby maroon wrote: > In response to Heather's post. I think that Goodbye is about someone > dying. I think this song is so beautiful If I'm using a programmable CD player, I always re-arrange the order of FR so that Goodbye follows Tony, because I am certain that Goodbye is also talking about someone who committed suicide. I don't have the exact lyrics in front of me, but I'm convinced Patty is describing someone who took his/her own life when she sings that no matter how much you try to tell someone about the beauty of living, "sometimes they just look away." This was the first song from FR that really knocked me out, because it took me awhile to get used to the full band sound on the first four cuts. Larry I in LA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 06:36:14 EDT From: UMCaner74@aol.com Subject: MM: She's Big, She's Bad, She's NATIONWIDE YAY Patty!, I'm so so proud of "the ALMIGHTY" right now! I knew she was going to be SO nervous, and I was worried that she'd just burst out laughing b/c of too much anxiety last night. NO WAY BABY! GOD she was as good as you can possibly get, and THEN some. As John so accurately put it, WOWSERS! I say on Letterman, she just says, screw it, does not worry about controversial subject matter or not, and just plays Tony. Which in my opinion is the most "likeable" and attention getting song on the CD. I just imagine a 1st time viewer of Patty to just be more excited about THAT song than I do Blue Sky. I think it is much more telling of what the Flaming Red CD is like, and I think more of a percentage of people are going to take notice to Tony. Just my opinion..input anyone?? Anyway, I have one more comment about that "Celebrity Death Match" thing. When I got to my seats at Sheryl Crow on Thursday (thanks to Kristen on this list!), not only was I front row, but I was DEAD CENTER stage...as in, DIRECTLY in front of Sheryl's mike stand. I was close enough to reach out, and pull her into the crowd on top of me. Which I must admit, WAS a bit tempting, as I never thought it would be possible to get so close to Ms. Crow. Anyway, my point here is that she is in just INCREDIBLE shape. Forget the fact that she's only 5'3" and probably in the neighborhood of only 100lbs. I would put her up against ANY other female musician in such a fight. She would be kicking ass, Case Closed! Alrighty then, I'm outta here! Happy Trails....to you, until we meet again.. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 04:26:52 -0700 From: L & C Israelson Subject: MM: TV-PG I started to write a congratulatory post similar to Dave's, but I just couldn't fake it. I'm thrilled that Patty was able to introduce herself to millions of night owls all over the country, but I hope that she won't look back on tonight as a missed chance. I hate being a wet blanket, but I couldn't help thinking that if it were up to me to get the uninitiated hooked on Patty, "Blue Sky" would NOT be the first song I would play. I know many on this list love the song, and the chorus is very nice, but I find most of it pretty discordant. I'm baffled about it being chosen as FR's second single. If PG were an established star looking to move a hundred thousand units of her latest single, that would be one thing, but she is not (thank goodness!) a "hit-single-and-filler" sort of artist. I think "Mary" or "Tony" or "Goodbye" would have left that audience speechless. "Christina" or "Change" or "OBL" or "Wiggley Fingers" would have been likely to attract the Sheryl Crow-genre fan base, many of whom would have found the rest of FR a revelation. Living in the shadow of Hollywood, I know full well that even overwhelming talent will not necessarily bring success in the performing arts. (And no, I'm not referring to myself here.) Conan O'Brien has boosted the careers of numerous musicians, and opportunities like this are not to be squandered. Knowing how transcendent Patty can be, my primary reaction to tonight's appearance is disappointment. This is one of those rare times when I really hope I am wrong. Larry I in LA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 06:23:38 PDT From: "Nancy Micciulla" Subject: MM: blue sky well, unfortunately, i was unable to catch patty last night on conan, but i'm sure that one of you (dave?) was able to tape it. anywho. . .about her playing blue sky. i hate to say it, because it seems as if i'm in disagreement with the other posts, but i think it was a very good song to play. yes, we, as huge patty fans know where she's coming from and what she means when she's singing tony, goodbye, mary, christina, etc. . .but the rest of the world does not. to slam a happy-go-lucky (not to say that we aren't, but you know what i mean)late night audience with "controversial subject matter" (as dave put it) would be kind of an odd thing for an up-and-coming artist. people would probably look at her funny and think she was too depressing. that's some pretty deep stuff that a new audience might not want to think about as soon as they see an artist. blue sky, on the other hand, is more of a happy love song (at least that's how i look at it, but you guys can correct me on that one) with a good hook that can easily get stuck in someone's head. hate to say it, but when i sing out loud in public (which i often do, cause i just burst out whenever i feel like it), i have a little trouble bursting into the content of tony or goodbye (as wonderful as they are). i always seem to sing one big love or blue sky first, cause they are almost always in my head. so in conclusion. . .as much as i would have liked to see her do something that we all appreciate slightly more, i think blue sky was the perfect song to do (not to mention it's the one they just released and they always do the songs they just released). that's just my opinion, feel free to disagree and tell me so. just try not to hurt my feelings :-) have yourselves a lovely day! nancy p.s. that natalie merchant cover of which john was speaking is "space oddity" by david bowie. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 09:47:28 EDT From: Flakeybird@aol.com Subject: MM: Conan show I am sorry to say that had that been my first exposure to Patty, I would not have bought Flaming Red. The band is just not working as a unit and they totally overpower her vocals causing her to sing off-pitch. Then when Patty sat down next to Conan, her whole body looked very uncomfortable --it looked awkward and not like someone who is on their way to become a rising star. As for the Conan show -- what's with that butt-ugly set? Looks like they found the entire set at some rummage sale. All I can hope is that the Letterman show is an improvement. I'm sorry to be so negative, but I really didn't think it showed her talent, that's all even though I know how hard it is to sound great when all you've got a shot at is one song . - -Sharyn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 09:51:33 -0500 From: "James P" Subject: MM: WHYYYY??????? I can't believe I missed Patty last night. I TOTALLY forgot about it! Damn! I was too busy at the movies watching _Election_ (which was an awesome movie, btw). Did anyone tape it? C'mon, I KNOW some of you MM'ers taped it. Judging from the comments, it sounds like I didn't miss much. Oh, well.....I'm a loser baby, so why don't you kill me..... -Cristina ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 11:05:21 -0700 From: hilah@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: MM: Conan the Destroyer i hardly ever watch tv and i don't know if this is a "good" tv though i have heard other music via it and twas rarely as murky as patty on conan lastnight. i felt as if i could have easily been watching a band called something like "the barettes" featuring patty griffin. her voice was way in the back and the guitarness was to this listener, overwhelming. song choice is no doubt crucial to market etc. considerations that are beyond me, yet i have come to appreciate her music for the lyric and tone and these were nearly unavailable on the show. i know it is tv, sound considerations are different etc. but at least crank down the guitars etc. or jack up her voice or something because people deserve to hear her. i must admit here that though i have seen pg play live a number of times now, it has never been with the band. i wish her only the best of all good things. yet i wish out loud here that however the factors are arranged to orchestrate exposure and lubricate units that what doesn't get lost in the mix is her voice. i feel that if someone was fundamentally encouraged by what they heard last night they would be disappointed by her records. gee me hopes i wrong. maybe me ears are biased from many crisp listenings. certainly there was an inkling of the magic which attends her. no doubt she was present and i ran for a q-tip during the performance so maybe i missed something. what i didn't miss was her singing "baby i love you" in massachusetts in january whilst her old guitar teacher accompanied and her pure joy of singing kinda made me fall in love with being alive for a moment. she deserves to have her path unfold so as to celebrate that joy and so be it. so long (too long?) s. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 15:50:00 EDT From: SunShiny16@aol.com Subject: MM: info for all Hey ya'll, I just wanted to give you a little advice that I've learned (after completing a very LONG freshman year of college)...CHECK YOUR EMAIL! I don't check my aol at school, only when I'm at home, and so I come home to about 300 patty messages every break. But this time, I read one that said patty was playing in Nashville in April. Well that was one of the only times I would have been able to hear Patty (cause she's always in the places that I'm not!) and of course it's too late now. So my advice for everyone is to stay on top of things, check your email so that you can HEAR about these types of things!!! Risa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 16:07:46 EDT From: COOLTUNES5@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: WOWSERS JohnRN24@aol.com(writes)........I saw Natalie Merchant tonight (as I had said before) and she continues to do a cover of an old song that I can neither remember the title or artist who originally did it. The song is "Ground Control to Major Tom" and I have heard the original many times (Natalie's is just as good too!) and I can never pin that down. the Original is by David Bowie!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 14:02:25 PDT From: "Nancy Micciulla" Subject: MM: my last post okay, somehow, as i clicked on the little send button on my hotmail, i knew that someone out there would not agree with my post. . .and that's cool with me. but i just want to say that i'm not putting us above the rest of the world or saying that the world cannot be "deep" that's not it at all. i guess what i was trying to say was that open-minded people seem to be the minority sometimes. and perhaps it's just my own background that makes it that way. so again. . .i'm sorry if i offended anyone. nancy _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 15:02:43 PDT From: "Sean Palen" Subject: MM: blue sky on conan Hey MMers After watching her performance for a second time, never seeing her live before, I think she rocked. I could say what I thought, my first opinion was that she was drowned out also, but on the second run it was a good blend. I think it was god for her, plus if you heard, Conan was a fan, seemingly of course I don't know, and he asked her to come back, even told her next tour date, so that was cool too. And for the other night owls, I haven't been impressed with jewel lately, I caught her on Regis and Kathy Lee and she performed like a zombie. But I caught on Friday Late Night Last night, it was an awsome performance, she had the whole band and they were feeling it, Steve Poltz and gang. Just thought I's mention it. I think Patty on David Letterman will earn her even more fans, good for her, Sean _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 18:45:36 EDT From: LEA228@aol.com Subject: MM: what's up with lucky ohio? hey- does anyone have any idea why Ohio gets so lucky as to have Patty play there 4 (count 'em -4) times this summer and we poor souls in Minnesota (actually North Dakota but fat chance of her EVER coming here--although the Indigo Girls did it and I'm sure they had a lovely time!) don't even get her once! If you're reading this, Patty, please come to Minnesota--we miss you! and by the way it was great to see Patty on Conan. I, too, thought the band drowned her voice out a bit (aren't they there to compliment her?) but it was still great to see her on national TV. That's all--just curious about OHIO!!!! Ronni ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 18:21:09 -0500 From: "Tracy Vincent" Subject: MM: Re: Patty's songs I was not familiar with Patty Griffin or her songs except for "Blue Sky" until May 2. She was one of 70 bands performing at Nashville River Stages. I had decided to watch her performance instead of Train (I think that was the band) but anyway I am glad I watched her performance. She was great. And actually I thought the whole band was great. They rocked. Everyone that was there watching and listening seemed to be enjoying the performance. As a matter of fact I did not see anyone leave the area until they were completely finished. The next day I went and got the Flaming Red CD. I can't wait until May 18th and May 19th because they will be back in town opening up for Lucinda Williams. I just hope that I can be one of the lucky ones to be right in the front row area. On the Conan show last night the music seemed to drown her voice out. It did not sound anything like her performance at River Stages. She also sounded and appeared to be slightly nervous. But I still think that she and the band sound great. In response to Ruby: When she performed at Nashville River Stages, she was announcing the next song which was "Mary" and she did say that song was about her grandmother. Oh by the way I did tape that performance. And did any of yall see David Letterman last night. Almost all of the audience was from Nashville. The background setting was of Nashville. And you have to check the top ten if you did not watch it last night. It's the top ten Nashville Predator Pick-Up lines. (new hockey expansion team for anyone who didn't know) http://marketing.cbs.com/lateshow/topten/lists/19990507.shtml I'm sorry this is so long. Tracy - -----Original Message----- From: ruby maroon To: Patty List Date: Thursday, May 06, 1999 11:43 AM Subject: MM: Patty's songs >In response to Heather's post. I think that Goodbye is about someone >dying. I think this song is so beautiful >and she says "And I wonder where you are and if the pain ends when you >die"-to me that's like saying where are you in heaven looking down or >in hell(which I personally dont believe in) just dead and unaware of >thought or feeling. Also, I do believe Mary could be about her >Grandma, it's seems it's alot like Mary Magdalene. So I dont' know, >but I guess Patty leaves it up to the individual. Just my opinion. >Ruby > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #131 *********************************