From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #129 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Friday, May 7 1999 Volume 03 : Number 129 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Patty Over Produced [Mike Acerbo ] Re: MM: RE: greedo should've lived [JohnRN24@aol.com] MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #128 [Twan68@aol.com] MM: NPC--sweaty Tori ["James P" ] MM: patty songs/interviews [Heather Webster ] MM: Patty's songs [ruby maroon ] MM: austin city limits ["Sean Palen" ] Re: MM: austin city limits [rblack1@io.com (Ronda Blacksher)] MM: a quickie before I'm gone ["Paul Russell" ] MM: Patty In Winter Park Colarado HELP! [ruby maroon ] MM: Repost of upcoming tour dates thru June (corrections requested) [Mike] MM: Thanks (NPC) [David Lewis ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 00:45:49 -0700 From: Mike Acerbo Subject: MM: Patty Over Produced Hey guys, I haven't written in a while but feel the need to after just seeing 2 amazing Patty acoustic shows in NYC. The band thing is just not working right now. I'm not saying she shouldn't try it, though I do prefer her acoustic sound over her band sound. The last time I saw her live in NY was with the band and it was simply awfull. Many people left the venue before she finished and I'm ashamed to say it, but so did I. I vowed never to see her live again with a band after having experienced the magic of her acoustic performances. As for Flaming Red, it is both overproduced and underproduced. Her beautiful guitar playing is lost in the mish mosh of bland session musicians that do nothing to enhance her own talent. Her voice sounds radically different from LWG. Everyone I play it for keeps saying she sounds like Sheryl Crow. Those are some of my beefs with the band thing. I think perhaps if her next album falls somewhere in between her first 2 attempts then it might be a better sounding band effort. I don't have a problem with her desire for a band as long as the core of what she is isn't altered by there performance like Flaming Red is. We all know Flaming would have cranked had it been acoustic. Though it is a good album, it doesn't come close to fullfilling its potential. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 03:24:37 EDT From: JohnRN24@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: RE: greedo should've lived I thought Greedo was kinda cute with those big eyes (aww), but was he/she a guy or a girl? Oh, and Patty would lose a theology debate to Tori, but her lines are more comprehensible, and she has a softer tone that I reach for when I am in the mood to just relax and think. The once retrospective Tori is now my rock out music. Love, :-) John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 08:36:26 EDT From: Twan68@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #128 I think LWG is a near-perfect album and Flaming Red comes close. I had to let some things grow on me. I'm very excited to hear a new album, whenever that happens. When I first heard her with the band they seemed uncomfortable together, but when I saw them again (with some band member replacements) I thought they ROCKED! But I always thought that Peter Pan had that tinny sound and poor recording quality for a reason. I also thought that a drum machine was used becasue it sounds so mechanical. I just assumed it had something to do with the theme of growing up. I had an idea inmmy head that she was playing an old piano maybe from her childhood. Who knows? Anthony PS - I am also sick to death of Tori. I loved the Little Earthquakes but lost interest after that. Come out of your hole Tori. See your shadow and don't run. And she sweats more than Meatloaf. Hey, can anyone help me get on the Dar Williams list? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:14:05 -0500 From: "James P" Subject: MM: NPC--sweaty Tori Sorry for dragging it on but I couldn't believe the comment that Anthony made about Tori. Can't you at least find something MATURE to criticize her about, like her musicianship? or her lyrics? You know, something that actually pertains to her art? Patty sweats a lot, too. Big fu**in' deal. Please tell me you were joking and that I just misunderstood what you wrote. -Cristina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:26:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Heather Webster Subject: MM: patty songs/interviews Hey everyone, check out that Conan article about Patty, it's pretty interesting. This is from that interview: 'Griffin still draws inspiration from the ghosts of her past: her father in "Big Daddy," her former husband in "Goodbye," her aunt Mary in "Mary." "My songs are about a feeling, trying to describe a feeling which can't really be described with words," Griffin muses.' So, I know that Mary is actually about her grandmother, Mary O'Conner. Somebody once posted that she said to use your imagination to figure out who Big Daddy is about. I never actually thought that it was about her own father. With her lyrical imagery, I just don't think she would do a song about her father, and actually title it as such!! Any thoughts? And, do you think Goodbye is written for her ex-husband? I am always interested to see who and what people think her songs are about. Patty is an amazing writer, but for myself, the power of her music is much more in the whole ensemble, the perfect way note leads to note. (ie. I don't usually pick the songs apart looking for hidden meaning.) That's just me. I know we all have different ways of hearing, rather listening to music. Anyway, that's about it. Sorry for the long post. And if you have never checked out this Patty interview/live songs from a KCRW show, check it out: http://www.liveconcerts.com Then follow the 'In Studio' link and scroll down to Patty. I think you need Real Player to listen. Have a great one, Heather _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:41:20 -0700 (PDT) From: ruby maroon Subject: MM: Patty's songs In response to Heather's post. I think that Goodbye is about someone dying. I think this song is so beautiful and she says "And I wonder where you are and if the pain ends when you die"-to me that's like saying where are you in heaven looking down or in hell(which I personally dont believe in) just dead and unaware of thought or feeling. Also, I do believe Mary could be about her Grandma, it's seems it's alot like Mary Magdalene. So I dont' know, but I guess Patty leaves it up to the individual. Just my opinion. Ruby _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 11:12:47 PDT From: "Sean Palen" Subject: MM: austin city limits Hey MMers Does anybody know the possibility of Patty getting on Austin City Limits? She would gain tons of new fans, any one have any idea how to get tickets, anyone been to a taping? Thanks Sean _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 12:38:22 -0500 From: rblack1@io.com (Ronda Blacksher) Subject: Re: MM: austin city limits Not sure how PG could get hooked up there, but I know tickets are distrubed at particular times - and they are free (!). Ronda At 11:12 AM 5/6/99 PDT, Sean Palen wrote: >Hey MMers > >Does anybody know the possibility of Patty getting on Austin City Limits? >She would gain tons of new fans, any one have any idea how to get tickets, >anyone been to a taping? Thanks >Sean > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 13:08:08 PDT From: "Paul Russell" Subject: MM: a quickie before I'm gone ha ha ha ha! Joe that was fab *rolling on the floor laughing* Uh, okay with me. We don't just have to talk about Patty Griffin, although I try to have some sort of PG content in my posts. Otherwise it's almost pointless for me to post them, it's why I joined the list, to talk about Ms. Griffin. (hey, when she gets married will she keep the same name? Will it then be Mrs. Griffin if she does? Hmmmm. That's a bit of a quandry.) Sorry about that run-on sentence. Shoot there goes my edukashon. Hey, Christina, you wanna lighten up a bit? So he doesn't like Tori Amos cuz she sweats. big deal. I don't like Hansen because it's just a bunch of dorky brothers who can actually sing well. I don't like Al Gore cuz he's boring. I don't like Marky Mark cuz, well...for no reason at all actually. I don't like Vanilla Ice because of that one line "...with the ragtop down so my hair can blow." These are all extremely petty reasons why I dislike the above. Sue me. I don't care about their true feelings or the deep messages they are trying to convey, or their personalities. Call me shallow. I am. But lighten up. If someone said "I don't like listening to Paty Griffin because she wears weird clothes," it wouldn't bother me at all. It might confuse me, but come on. Sorry, just trying to understand... Patty Griffin on Austin City Limits... yes!!! that would rock! PBS is like one of the extremely very few channels I watch. TV is so stupid (and I make my living because of TV, how ironic). I would loooooove to see her on Austin City Limits. I'm off now. gotta go shoot some footage. peace, love, and vegetable rights. paul ********************************* * Damn, woman. I just gave you * * sweet lovin' five minutes * * ago. You tryin' to kill me? * * --Chef (from Southpark)* ********************************* _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:11:38 -0700 (PDT) From: ruby maroon Subject: MM: Patty In Winter Park Colarado HELP! Hi all you beautiful MM'ers!! Is anybody on this list either familliar or going to see Patty in Colorado on July 11th, 1999? I would love to go there but have no idea about Colorado or the AMERICAN MUSIC FESTIVAL Which I cant find on the Intenet. So any info would be appreciated. Thanks you all. Have a great one--full of "One Big Love" Ruby _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 19:43:10 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: MM: Patty on Conan O'Brien Show Friday night - a reminder :-) Hi peeps :-) Well, (like this isn't obvious :-) tomorrow night marks a milestone in Pattys' career :-) This is just a reminder that she will have her first US national television appearance on Friday night on the Conan O'Brien Show on NBC. This show follows the Tonight Show With Jay Leno. Air time in the eastern USA is usually at 12:35am (Saturday, technically), but please check your local listings for other time zones. For tapers unfamiliar with the program, it's a one hour show. Mike :-) P.S. To answer the one post, her appearance on the David Letterman show is on June 17th :-) - - * The Patty Griffin/Mad-Mission@smoe List Homepage is at: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/pattyg.htm * * Rachel Martin's Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive is at * http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/3079/patty.html * * Jerry Zigmont's Flaming Red - A Patty Griffin Website is at * http://members.tripod.com/PattyGriffin * * Katie Peterson's Patty Griffin Guitar Tabs Archive is at * http://members.tripod.com/~Lifey/patty.html * * DuckOfPrey or WhyADuck55 on AOL and/or AOL Instant Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 20:00:46 -0400 From: "Darren" Subject: MM: a quickie before I'm gone Man, I have never seen such a group of Passive aggressive people in one place. Make no mistake, I am bad as anyone....... Typical post: Bitch,bitch,bitch,bitch,bitch, sorry. Bitch, moan, sorry. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 21:40:28 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: MM: Repost of upcoming tour dates thru June (corrections requested) Hi Mishers! :-) This is just a re-post of the rest of Patty's tour dates (as I have them) through mid-June. Lately, I have not been good at catching posts with any corrected information as to what I may show below, so if anyone has better/corrected info on anything, please write and let me know. Mike :-) P.S. Everyone wish it and it may come true! :::::: couch-time for Patty on Conan tomorrow night! :::::: *********************************** Opening for Lucinda Williams: *********************************** The times for Pattys' sets are not determined yet.... All shows with a full band Sat 5/08 - Sea Bright NJ Tradewinds 1331 Ocean Ave. Sun 5/09 - Baltimore MD Shriver Hall 33rd & Charles St. Tue 5/11 - Pittsburgh PA Metropol 1600 Smallman St. Thu 5/13 - Cleveland OH Odeon Concert Club 1295 Old River Rd. Fri 5/14 - Detroit MI Venue to be determined (did someone post it was at Clutch Cargo?) Sat 5/15 - Cincinnati OH Bogarts 2621 Vine St. Tue 5/18 & Wed 5/19 - Nashville TN Both at the 328 Performance Hall ***************************** Opening for Johnny Lang: ***************************** The times for Pattys' sets are not determined yet.... All shows with a full band Sun 6/6 - Rapid City, SD - Rushmore Plaza Theatre Tue 6/8 - Spokane, WA - Spokane Opera House Wed 6/9 - Seattle, WA - Paramount Theatre Thu 6/10 - Portland, OR - The Roseland Theater Sat 6/12 - San Francisco, CA - Warfield Theatre Sun 6/13 - Temecula, CA - Pechanga Outdoor Amphitheater Tue 6/15 - Los Angeles, CA - Wiltern Theatre Thursday June 17th on the David Letterman Show in New York City :-) - - * The Patty Griffin/Mad-Mission@smoe List Homepage is at: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/pattyg.htm * * Rachel Martin's Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive is at * http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/3079/patty.html * * Jerry Zigmont's Flaming Red - A Patty Griffin Website is at * http://members.tripod.com/PattyGriffin * * Katie Peterson's Patty Griffin Guitar Tabs Archive is at * http://members.tripod.com/~Lifey/patty.html * * DuckOfPrey or WhyADuck55 on AOL and/or AOL Instant Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 23:45:05 -0300 From: David Lewis Subject: MM: Thanks (NPC) Hello All, I just want to extend my warmest thanks to those who responded with messages of support in regards to my recent problems tinnitus. If anyone missed that post, the short story is... 1. Tinnitus is a ringing or other sound in the head or ears. 2. Sometimes Tinnitus can become a chronic, lifelong condition. 3. In the vast majority of cases, the doctors can only guess what caused it. 4. In the vast majority of cases there is no treatment or cure. 5. The most freuquent cause is over exposure to loud noise. 6. Tinnitus is twice a frequent in people with damaged hearing. 7. It can range from a mild to severe. Some severe sufferers have compared their tinnitus to the sound of a frieght train or a 767 landing in their head... 24 hours a day. Clearly... if it's bad enough (or your reaction to it is bad enough) it can potentially drive you nuts! The good news is that it is not life threatening... just damn annoying and, for about 10% of sufferers it is actually dibilitating. I posted this info in the hopes that none of you will have to go though what I am going though right now. I didn't even know about tinnitus until I got it... so hopefully my posts will act as a heads up for everyone. Believe me, it can happen to anyone, so please take care. The lesson to be learned is... wear ear plugs at concerts and turn down the car stereo and walkman. Anytime you or others have to raise their voice in order to communicate with you, you are in a dangerous environment! You know that ringing sound you sometimes hear after concerts? It is thought that that is the sound of some of your 30,000 hearing cell hairs dying... and once they die, they're gone for good. Our ears just are not designed for the abuses we put them though in our noisy modern world. So wear those damn ear plugs!!! Until the soundmen start turning things down, you would be foolish not to. Anyway, that's all for now :) Thanks again for all the kind responses. I will be responding in person as well... once I get the time. Hi Dana! How are things :) As for FR being over-produced, I would tend to agree, but it's still a great CD. As for Tori... love her! Choirgirl is actually mr favorite CD of hers... love it! (just at low volumes now a days :/ Later, Dave - ---------------------------- David Lewis Digital & Print Media Design dlewis@hfx.andara.com - ---------------------------- ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #129 *********************************