From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #119 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, April 28 1999 Volume 03 : Number 119 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: patty and tori amos [shoes ] MM: Re: patty and tori amos ["Darren" ] MM: NPC: Lilith Fair [Wendy J ] MM: RE: patty and tori amos [Mark Cicero ] Re: MM: Patty and Tori; and a question about Lucinda [Vanessa McGowan ] Re: MM: Patty at Lilith Fair?? [UMCaner74@aol.com] MM: Fw: Re: patty and tori amos ["Darren" ] Re: MM: Re: patty and tori amos [CornflkGl@aol.com] MM: NPC: disappointed in Tori [Wendy J ] MM: lilith fair [Zelly72@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:58:44 -0400 (EDT) From: shoes Subject: MM: patty and tori amos hi guys... just had a random small thought.. it's interesting how many references i've read in posts to MM about tori, how many common fans they both have.. although i think they are very different, they have some strong similarities.. any thoughts? :) circles and circles again, chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:15:07 -0400 From: "Darren" Subject: MM: Re: patty and tori amos A very notable difference is the lack of religious -centric themes in Patty's music. I feel that they are both extremely honest in their expression of the human condition though. That is why I love them both. Also, my ex-girlfriend, who I met at a Tori Concert, was the one who indoctrinated me into the world of Patty. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:23:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Wendy J Subject: MM: NPC: Lilith Fair Hey Gals (and guys)....I just read that Sarah McLaughlan is shaping up the roster for this year's Girliepalooza -- not sure yet whether patty will be there, but...SHE BETTER!!! Just thought I'd give you all a heads up so that those who are interested can keep an eye and an ear out for tickets. And before anyone posts a question about who's gonna be at this year's Lilith: Check out their website. There's an official lilith fair website somewhere on the web, but.... I don't know the address off hand). You can also read wire news stories that were posted this week by doing a web search and typing in "Lilith Fair". An interesting side-bar........Tori will NOT be w/lilith this year; she and alanis morissette are going to do a 5 1/2 week mini tour during the same time that Lilith is going on!! (do i detect some kind of behind-the-scenes drama there or what ??) As usual, sarah et. al. will donate $1 for each ticket sold to local women's shelters and the like. Go Girls!! And S., if you're out there, you owe me an email!!! :) - -WJ - --- shoes wrote: > > hi guys... > just had a random small thought.. it's interesting > how many references > i've read in posts to MM about tori, how many > common fans they both > have.. although i think they are very different, > they have some strong > similarities.. > any thoughts? > :) > circles and circles again, > chris > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:24:53 -0500 From: Mark Cicero Subject: MM: RE: patty and tori amos Yea, I have some thoughts on the subject. I really liked everything that Tori has put out until her latest CD. I really think she needs to come back down to earth. (I bought it when it first came out and traded it to someone on the list for some Joy Askew CD's). I haven't given up on her but her latest CD was not (in my opinion) representitive of her true talent. I see very little in the way of similarities between Tori and Patty. To me they are as different as night and day. Tori is by far the better musician and Patty by far the better vocalist. I like them both for different reasons. If I was inclined to make comparisons I would compare Paula Cole to Tori and compare Patty to Rickee Lee Jones. BTW - If you haven't heard of Joy Askew you really need to check her out. It's hard to describe an artists' style to someone but I'll take a shot at it here. Joy Askew is a combination of Tori Amos, Paula Cole, Peter Gabrial and Patty all rolled into one. Unfortunately you can only get her CD's off the net. It never ceases to amaze me that a talent like Joy can't get a record deal but other's with less talent manage to get record contracts with big companies. Go figure. There is a music festival going on in Nashville this weekend and Patty will be performing on Sunday. What's really great is that Patty comes on right before another one of my favorite groups, Bela Fleck and the Flecktones. If any of you are within an easy drive to Nashville I suggest you come down and enjoy the music. Take care. Regards, Mark Nashville,TN - -----Original Message----- From: shoes [mailto:cmsho@conncoll.edu] Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 8:59 AM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: patty and tori amos hi guys... just had a random small thought.. it's interesting how many references i've read in posts to MM about tori, how many common fans they both have.. although i think they are very different, they have some strong similarities.. any thoughts? :) circles and circles again, chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:56:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Vanessa McGowan Subject: Re: MM: Patty and Tori; and a question about Lucinda Hi everybody... I have been a HUGE tori fan since 1992. She's was labeled a piano prodigy for a reason, she could play at age 2 and started writing piano concerto's at age 6. Her music and personality have proven to be a spiritual experience for me - let me explain. I have always felt a STRONG connection to Faeries and started researching beyond the mythology soon after her interest in them renewed mine. To make along story short, 7 years later I am an initiate of the ancient irish oral tradition of Faery Wicca. Tori's music opened the door and I stepped inside. Patty is just plain BRILLIANT!!! I had goosebumps the first time I heard her sing (which was live - lucky me!!!) She explores issues other artists won't touch (tony) and is so raw sometimes - it hurts. My collection of music is vast but there are a select few women artists that I believe are changing the world with their gift and Patty and Tori are at the top of that list (ani difranco is up there too!) O.k now the other stuff, if anybody's interested Tori and Alanis are touring together in the late summer and fall. Also, I just order a Luncinda Williams CD, I've never heard her sing but as a result of everybody on this list talking about her, it sparked my interest. What can I expect? Is she acoustic? Please help me out here. Peace. the faery girl === "Every tool is a weapon if you hold it right!" Ani Difranco _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:01:48 -0500 From: "James P" Subject: MM: NPC--"line me up in single file with all your grievances..." Hey all, Tori has stated a number of times that she loves Sarah Mclachlan but doesn't believe in the all male/all female thing. That is why she doesn't agree to do Lilith. There is no drama or jealousy involved, she just flat out doesn't agree with the restrictions. Mark, I too didn't like Tori's latest album at first. I was uncomfortable with the band and was having a hard time adjusting to it. (Which sounds remarkably like many issues some MM'ers had with Flaming Red) Once I saw her perform it live, it blew me away. Tori is an incredible vocalist. Have you LISTENED to "Liquid Diamonds"? Have you heard her cover of "Purple Rain" or Led Zepplin's "Thank You"? I've got some GREAT b-sides and bootlegs that showcase her vocal abilities better than her albums if you want copies. I encourage you to give "Choirgirl" another chance. There is some really great stuff on that album and her writing is still top-notch. I'll never tire of songs like "Black Dove" and "Playboy Mommy." I'm sorry to go off like this but Tori's music literally changed my life. I haven't had that kind of experience with Patty's music yet, but she runs a close second to Tori. If any of you out there are still reading this and are saying, "Oh God, I hate Tori!!" or "Is she really that good?" I strongly encourage you to listen to _Under the Pink_ for an example of some amazing musicianship and then pick up _Little Earthquakes_ for an example of truly intimate, thought-provoking lyrics that will inspire the writer in anyone. I'm so thankful that musicians like Tori and Patty have the generosity to share their gifts with us. I wish I could thank Tori in person but all I can do is spread the word and keep listening..... "Come back I'll show you the roses that brush off the snow, and open their petals again and again...." --Tori "Here, in my head" -Cristina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:06:49 -0700 From: "Laine Proctor" Subject: MM: FW: Re: patty and tori amos That's interesting, I've always thought that patty deals with religion a lot in her music. (Moses, Poor Man's House, Wiggley Fingers, Mary, Cain) Both Patty and Tori seem to use a lot of religious imagery, too, even in song that aren't explicitly religious. At least, I see that. Of course, I was raised Catholic and tend to notice those things with the obsessiveness that only a Catholic schoolgirl can. By the way, I love both Tori and Patty!!! And I like all of Tori's work, I even like Choirgirl a LOT! Laine >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On >Behalf Of Darren >Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 7:15 AM >To: Mad Mission >Subject: MM: Re: patty and tori amos > > >A very notable difference is the lack of religious -centric themes in >Patty's music. I feel that they are both extremely honest in their >expression of the human condition though. That is why I love them both. >Also, my ex-girlfriend, who I met at a Tori Concert, was the one who >indoctrinated me into the world of Patty. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:19:38 EDT From: UMCaner74@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Patty at Lilith Fair?? Hi guys, Just wanted to let you know before you EXPECT that Patty will be playing Lilith Fair..that I really don't think she's going to be there. When I was talking to her the other night, someone asked her about being on Lilith Fair..and her exact response..after hesitation was..."I've been asked to do it, but it's going to depend on what MY schedule for the summer is.." So, it sounds to me like she, or most likely her management has decided to NOT to do Lilith this year, and that she had to think of a nice and polite way to tell us ...that was my take on her reaction and answer...I could be wrong. She IS supposed to be touring with Johnny Lang this summer though, so it's not like she's not going to be out on the road..and I'm hoping MAYBE that they'll do a double headlining thing so we get to hear LOTS of music from both of them! ok..that's what I know..talk to you all later!..take care.. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:37:15 -0400 From: "Darren" Subject: MM: Fw: Re: patty and tori amos Laine sent this to me. I am sure she meant for it to go to the entire list. Hope I am right. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Laine Proctor To: Darren Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 1:05 PM Subject: RE: Re: patty and tori amos That's interesting, I've always thought that patty deals with religion a lot in her music. (Moses, Poor Man's House, Wiggley Fingers, Mary, Cain) Both Patty and Tori seem to use a lot of religious imagery, too, even in song that aren't explicitly religious. At least, I see that. Of course, I was raised Catholic and tend to notice those things with the obsessiveness that only a Catholic schoolgirl can. By the way, I love both Tori and Patty!!! And I like all of Tori's work, I even like Choirgirl a LOT! Laine >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On >Behalf Of Darren >Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 7:15 AM >To: Mad Mission >Subject: MM: Re: patty and tori amos > > >A very notable difference is the lack of religious -centric themes in >Patty's music. I feel that they are both extremely honest in their >expression of the human condition though. That is why I love them both. >Also, my ex-girlfriend, who I met at a Tori Concert, was the one who >indoctrinated me into the world of Patty. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:39:27 EDT From: CornflkGl@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: patty and tori amos I'm also a Tori fan (as you other Tori fans can tell by my screen name) but I'm not that big into her anymore. I made this screen name when I was sixteen. Now that I'm almost twenty-one, I mostly still have this name because it's how people know me, not because I'm so into Tori anymore. She just got a little too loopy for me. I loved Little Earthquakes because it was so beautiful and emotional and real, and Under The Pink was kind of odd but it had it's great moments too. I had a hard time understanding anything on Boys for Pele, and I didn't even buy the new one. Before anyone starts saying I'm just not deep enough to get her message-- I'm plenty deep, but I guess I just get my deepness in other ways. Still, I love her music and her singing and the emotion she puts into everything, and the dedication she has to her fans. She's helped a lot of people get through hard stuff, and for that she gets my love and admiration. Rachel:D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:19:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Wendy J Subject: MM: NPC: disappointed in Tori I agree totally w/Rachel: Little Earthquakes and Under the Pink are, to me, amazing works of musical and poetic craftswomanship. I absolutely LOVE her for those records. But as for Boys for Pele...what's up with that? Definitely some loopy lyrics in there, although there are certainly some good strong tracks. I haven't rushed out to buy her new one and will probably wait a bit longer before I do b/c I just don't have the energy to make sense enough out of her lyrics so that they mean something personal to me. I can do that easily enough w/patty and even janet jackson for that matter. I also feel somewhat disappointed in Tori for not wanting to participate in the Lilith Fair. I disagree with her reasoning for keeping out of Lilith: b/c it doesn't feature any boybands. It frankly surprises me that such a strong and accomplished (female) artist like Tori woudn't see the importance or need for a unique space where women can highlight their talent in and of itself, without the boyz taking over. I think the Lilith Fair has created an importance and appreciation of women musicians that was sorely lacking before (and still is, although to a somewhat lesser degree). Anyways, that's just my $.02. And don't get me wrong, I really do like Tori and her music, I'm just a little puzzled by her non-participation in Lilith and her disagreement with its purpose. If the cornflake grrls can't get down w/the raisin grrrls and bask in the whole girly thing once a year, when can they do it, i ask you????? - - CornflkGl@aol.com wrote: > I'm also a Tori fan (as you other Tori fans can tell > by my screen name) but > I'm not that big into her anymore. I made this > screen name when I was > sixteen. Now that I'm almost twenty-one, I mostly > still have this name > because it's how people know me, not because I'm so > into Tori anymore. She > just got a little too loopy for me. I loved Little > Earthquakes because it was > so beautiful and emotional and real, and Under The > Pink was kind of odd but > it had it's great moments too. I had a hard time > understanding anything on > Boys for Pele, and I didn't even buy the new one. > Before anyone starts saying > I'm just not deep enough to get her message-- I'm > plenty deep, but I guess I > just get my deepness in other ways. Still, I love > her music and her singing > and the emotion she puts into everything, and the > dedication she has to her > fans. She's helped a lot of people get through hard > stuff, and for that she > gets my love and admiration. > > Rachel:D > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:39:38 EDT From: Zelly72@aol.com Subject: MM: lilith fair I checked the Lilith site and it does say that Patty is playing on the Aug. 10th and 11th dates, which are in Columbus, OH and Cincinnati, OH. They say she's gonna be on the second stage but no word on times or anything yet. And I'm really jealous of all of you in Ohio who get to go to these shows, because Sinead Lohan is also playing at both of them. She is wonderful and if you've never heard her, you're in for a great night. It says that tickets for both of those dates go on sale May 22nd. Just thought some of you might want to know. Terri :) ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #119 *********************************