From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #76 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Tuesday, March 23 1999 Volume 03 : Number 076 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: lucinda williams ["Sean Palen" ] MM: lucinda williams ["Sean Palen" ] MM: pg in austin ["Cheryl Girod" ] MM: Argument(s) ["Perlman, Judith" ] Re: MM: Argument(s) [rblack1@io.com (Ronda Blacksher)] Re: MM: Argument(s) [CornflkGl@aol.com] Re: MM: Argument(s) [rblack1@io.com (Ronda Blacksher)] MM: Re:Re: Arguement(s) [Mercyme37@aol.com] MM: Re: Grammy for Patty? [Grace Halverson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:33:41 PST From: "Sean Palen" Subject: MM: lucinda williams Hey MMers I just saw, and this esp cool for those of us who don't get huge acts coming through town, Lucinds Williams will be on Sessions 54th Sunday at 1200 am, or midnight Saterday. I figured it a little relevant to PG seeing as they toured together. That's it, Vince Gill will be on Austin City Limits this week. Take it easy Sean Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:35:07 PST From: "Sean Palen" Subject: MM: lucinda williams Hey MMers I just saw, and this esp cool for those of us who don't get huge acts coming through town, Lucinds Williams will be on Sessions 54th Sunday at 1200 am, or midnight Saterday. I figured it a little relevant to PG seeing as they toured together. That's it, Vince Gill will be on Austin City Limits this week. Take it easy Sean Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:42:20 -0600 From: "Cheryl Girod" Subject: MM: pg in austin so, i wrecked my car in a huge rainstorm friday nite, which doesn't mean anything to most of you, except i just happened to be driving a new Mustang(rent-a-car) with an excellent stereo when, on the way home from work Friday, after the week from hell, I caught the last 30 minutes of PG on KGSR live in the studio, and a tremendous solo acoustic live performance of Change. See, there is a reason for everything. Also, there's a great picture of PG in Sunday's music insert of the Austin American Statesman playing the Music Hall last friday nite. Anybody lucky enough to catch that one? I've got my tickets for Old Settlers on the 9th. I'm not a tremendous blue-grass fan, but I'll see y'all in the front row for PG. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:36:29 -0500 From: "Perlman, Judith" Subject: MM: Argument(s) Excuse me, I posted a simple question about whether Patty was eligible for the past Grammy Awards, and I have watched with bemusement as it has exploded into this mushroom cloud of anger. So, would somebody please tell me what the HELL this argument is about? Is it about the fact that the Grammies don't always give the award to the best people? Is it about the idea that once you sign with a record company, you sell out? Or is that you don't sell out, but they try to make you over, and hence you sell out? Is it about Communism vs. Capitalism? Is it about capitalism being evil? Is it about buying in mom & pop stores and not supporting the evil conglomerates? Is it about everyone's right to have an opinion or everyone's right to have their own taste in music? There are probably more, but that's enough to start out with. As they used to say in college, "Define your terms." I don't think everyone is on the same wavelength here, and name-calling just sends us light-years further away from each other. The only thing I have to say, which I was trying to say from the start, is that the Grammy Awards are awards given to artists by their peers. Therefore, they should be about merit. However, Americans being the lazy fuckers that we are, are not going to listen to everything. We/they are going to remember the most famous name, which almost always equals the most financial success, and/or the song they heard 10,000 times on the radio. Sorry for the profanity. I searched my mind for a synonym & came up empty. Chill, kids. Judy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:52:06 -0600 From: rblack1@io.com (Ronda Blacksher) Subject: Re: MM: Argument(s) It's probably about any and all of those things, Judy -- and this isn't college. Let the chaos continue!!! This is the most fun the PG list has been in months. Ronda At 04:36 PM 3/22/99 -0500, Perlman, Judith wrote: >Excuse me, I posted a simple question about whether Patty was eligible for >the past Grammy Awards, and I have watched with bemusement as it has >exploded into this mushroom cloud of anger. > >So, would somebody please tell me what the HELL this argument is about? > >Is it about the fact that the Grammies don't always give the award to the >best people? Is it about the idea that once you sign with a record company, >you sell out? Or is that you don't sell out, but they try to make you over, >and hence you sell out? Is it about Communism vs. Capitalism? Is it about >capitalism being evil? Is it about buying in mom & pop stores and not >supporting the evil conglomerates? Is it about everyone's right to have an >opinion or everyone's right to have their own taste in music? There are >probably more, but that's enough to start out with. > >As they used to say in college, "Define your terms." I don't think everyone >is on the same wavelength here, and name-calling just sends us light-years >further away from each other. > >The only thing I have to say, which I was trying to say from the start, is >that the Grammy Awards are awards given to artists by their peers. >Therefore, they should be about merit. However, Americans being the lazy >fuckers that we are, are not going to listen to everything. We/they are >going to remember the most famous name, which almost always equals the most >financial success, and/or the song they heard 10,000 times on the radio. > >Sorry for the profanity. I searched my mind for a synonym & came up empty. > >Chill, kids. > >Judy > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:02:19 EST From: CornflkGl@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Argument(s) In a message dated 3/22/99 4:53:13 PM EST, rblack1@io.com writes: << This is the most fun the PG list has been in months. >> This is fun ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:35:55 -0600 From: rblack1@io.com (Ronda Blacksher) Subject: Re: MM: Argument(s) Well, it beats the hell out of talking about Jewel. At 05:02 PM 3/22/99 EST, CornflkGl@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 3/22/99 4:53:13 PM EST, rblack1@io.com writes: > ><< This is the most fun the PG list has > been in months. >> > >This is fun ? > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:48:28 EST From: Mercyme37@aol.com Subject: MM: Re:Re: Arguement(s) Hi All! I'm not complaining, but all the mailings reminded me of a joke, so I thought I would share it. Karla Q: How many internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? A: 1,343 - 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the light bulb has been changed; 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently; 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs; 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs; 53 to flame the spell checkers; 41 to correct spelling/grammar flames; 6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb"; another 6 to condemn those 6 as anal-retentive; 156 to write to the list administrator about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list; 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this email exchange to litebulb-l; 203 to demand that cross posting to grammar-l, spelling-l and illuminati-l about changing light bulbs be stopped; 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts *are* relevant to this mail list; 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty; 27 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs; 14 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and the post the corrected URL's; 3 to post about links they found from the URL's that are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list; 33 to link all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and footers and then add "Me too"; 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy; 19 to quote the "Me too's" to say "Me three"; 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ; 44 to ask what is "FAQ"; 4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago on Usenet?" 143 to ask "what's Usenet?" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:58:27 EST From: Grace Halverson Subject: MM: Re: Grammy for Patty? as a musician, i really believe, as Judy said, the grammy Awards are given by other musicians, and should be based on merit. personally i think that those who have artistic integrity and have worked on perfecting their talent, should be awarded for a brilliant piece of work. Lauryn Hill, for example, was rewarded for a real labor of love, something that she poured herself into, took time with, and not only wrote and sang, but produced and played instruments. not that it is about who is the most versatile. an album should be like a piece of art that has been agonized over or rejoiced over with blood, sweat and tears. someone that can do that and touch us with their lyrics and melodies, those are the people that should be earning awards. it seems as if awards are given out so easily these days. save the popularity for the People's Choice Awards. unfortunately, we do not live in a perfect world and i know that all of us on this list would love to see Patty awarded for her gift. let's award her by going to her concerts, buying her albums, singing her praises to our friends, and continuing these discussions on this list. grace On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:54:35 EST COOLTUNES5@aol.com writes: >Once again i think we have strayed off the original point of that i >originally tried to make when i started this lil topic of >conversation! all i >was saying is that its disturbing to see somewhat mediocre talent >glorified in >a "awards ceremony" in the name of "best in their field or class" , >when what >its really about is # of units sold. Im not arguing the merits of >these >people to be sucessful, all I'm saying is if you are gonna have a >"awards >ceremony", choose those folks most deserving. In my humble opinion >there was >better music produced out there last year than Lauren Hill, and Shania >Twain! > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #76 ********************************