From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #37 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, February 10 1999 Volume 03 : Number 037 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: favorite Patty songs.... [Amy Silver ] MM: Blue Sky [MistyBC@aol.com] Re: MM: RE: Fluffy "Daddy?" [CornflkGl@aol.com] MM: favorite Patty songs [Lbalcom24@aol.com] RE: MM: RE: Fluffy "Daddy?" ["Paquin, John" ] MM: RE: Blue Sky ["Laine Proctor" ] Re: MM: RE: Fluffy "Daddy?" [rblack1@io.com (Ronda Blacksher)] MM: Re: what is it about patty? late-night response with parentheses [UMC] RE: MM: RE: Fluffy "Daddy?" ["Laine Proctor" ] MM: RE: Fluffy "Daddy?" ["Jennifer Caputo" ] MM: Re: unwittingly anonymous previous posting [hilah@ix.netcom.com] MM: Responses to the "Mary" e-mail ["camille fisher" ] MM: favorite Patty tunes.. [UMCaner74@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:33:28 -0500 From: Amy Silver Subject: Re: MM: favorite Patty songs.... I urged a friend of mine who once pursued a Ph.D. in Philosophy at Catholic University to listen to "Mary" -- she played it for a dinner party of friends, many of whom go to, and are, Catholic. She emailed me that everybody was blown away, and one woman started crying. Love it when that happens. I'd have to go with Mary and Poor Man's House for my faves. As several have pointed out, my favorite Patty song changes from day to day. Or my third-favorite, anyway. Two that I haven't seen mentioned, much loved by me and my 13-year-old daughter, are "Goodbye" and "Hey Peter Pan." I especially love the simplicity of Goodbye and the instrumentation in Peter Pan. What is that thing, a harp? The thing that sounds like someone playing harmonics on a cello? We were lucky enough to hear FR first, so we weren't prejudiced against it, and fell in love with Patty; then when we heard LWG it outstripped our expectations even though it seemed impossible even to meet them by that point. Love the thread too... Amy Jo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:03:16 EST From: MistyBC@aol.com Subject: MM: Blue Sky Rachel wrote: >The songs I don't like are the ones that seem like fluff to me ("Blue Sky" and >"Big Daddy"), but hey, you never get what you want, right ? Now that Cristina has defended "Big Daddy", I'll give my interpretation of "Blue Sky". I have always loved this song. To begin with, I loved it cause it was fun to sing along to and it had happy words in it. I have problems with loving songs just because they have words that create good images in my head, but then I don't really add it all up to make a song. Anyway. :) I'm not trying to argue, but this song became special to me for several reasons (once I tried to understand the meaning). "Whatever I knew was nothing at all" I love this line; I feel this way all the time. I'll get to a point where I think I know everything about a person or a subject and something inevitably comes to shock me and throw me back to Square One. Confusion. Yuck. And it makes me think about knowledge and intelligence and about how little I really know in the scheme of things. But when Patty sings, it makes it okay. It's like the whole song builds from this point. She has to overcome the fact that she'll never know all she wants to know and she realizes that life "from the ground" really isn't so exciting. Then someone comes along and tells her to look up... and use her imagination. She can do whatever she wants in her mind (or in the "blue sky"). I always wanted to fly. I mean, what kid didn't? In the sky, everything is perfect. The clouds are soft, the birds are singing, the sun is bright, and all you do is play games and relax. So, maybe that's a "fluffy" idea. But it's beautiful and you can go there in your mind. That's what the song means to me... It's about the strength of imagination and creating a heaven in your thoughts, and how it makes your life so much more interesting. About realizing that, as much as we try, thoughts mean as much as the weight we give them. So, there ya go. I am not so good at dissecting songs. But when I listen to this song, I just love to sing at the top of my lungs... By the time it's over, my face hurts from smiling so much! :) To Camille, who asked about the songs that touch us most... For me, I think it would be "Time Will Do the Talking". No one seems to pay much attention to this song, but it was the first Patty song that I really loved. It just makes me feel good about myself, for whatever reasons, and I don't think I know why. Hugs for all, Misty :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:36:22 EST From: CornflkGl@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: RE: Fluffy "Daddy?" In a message dated 2/10/99 2:23:08 PM EST, MC1@wallerlaw.com writes: << I had an opportunity to speak with Patty a few months ago and I asked her "Who was Big Daddy" she smiled and she said, "I'm not telling, use your imagination". I also recall that someone on this list thought it was about a child molester. >> I thought that originally too, but then it didn't work because of the whole "We're rockin', big daddy" line. I understand Cristina's point too, about the big whole fishing thing. I'm glad that people find so many different meanings for the song, because if everyone regarded it the way I did, I'd be really confused. However, _I_ still don't like the song, because _I_ haven't been able to find any meaning in it that is signifigant to me. _I_ don't think it's actually about fishing. That's not to cut anyone else down or argue that anyone's perception of the song is incorrect. I still consider it fluff. Rachel:D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:37:51 EST From: Lbalcom24@aol.com Subject: MM: favorite Patty songs Picking a favorite Patty song is no small feat. I had an easier time moving all the snow we got here in Buffalo a few weeks back! By the way, all that snow is gone and it's about 50 degrees here...... Anyway, one of my favorite Patty songs is "Goodbye." Songs mean different things to everyone and I had a good friend who died of cancer at 33. I always think of him anytime I hear this great song. I'm confident everyone who has ever listened to Patty sing "Goodbye" also thinks of a lost friend or relative or loved one. I'm also a big fan of "Mary" and "Peter Pan." On LWG, "Poor Man's House" is one of very few songs that paint such a vivid picture of struggle. Not only does the person in the song struggle with being poor, they also wrestle even harder knowing everyone else knows they're poor. They're also shy knowing their father is doing everything he possibly can but they're still the poorest people in their world. Imagine the hopelessness. Still waiting for Patty to visit Buffalo...or Rochester...or Toronto............. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:58:43 -0600 From: "Paquin, John" Subject: RE: MM: RE: Fluffy "Daddy?" Recently, I was listening to this song, and got the sudden inspiration that it was about the record company. Or the A and R person at the record company. I would site examples, but I don't have the lyrics handy. - -john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:58:22 -0800 From: "Laine Proctor" Subject: MM: RE: Blue Sky Hello All. I'm with Misty. Time Will Do the Talking was my first love affair with a Patty Griffin song, too. No matter what earth shattering thing seems to be happening, I can always listen to that song and sing at the top of my lungs. It's like a big, deep breath of fresh air. :-) Laine > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of MistyBC@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 2:03 PM > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: MM: Blue Sky > > > Rachel wrote: > > >The songs I don't like are the ones that seem like fluff to me > ("Blue Sky" > and > >"Big Daddy"), but hey, you never get what you want, right ? > > Now that Cristina has defended "Big Daddy", I'll give my interpretation of > "Blue Sky". I have always loved this song. To begin with, I > loved it cause > it was fun to sing along to and it had happy words in it. I have problems > with loving songs just because they have words that create good > images in my > head, but then I don't really add it all up to make a song. Anyway. :) > > I'm not trying to argue, but this song became special to me for several > reasons (once I tried to understand the meaning). > > "Whatever I knew was nothing at all" > > I love this line; I feel this way all the time. I'll get to a > point where I > think I know everything about a person or a subject and something > inevitably > comes to shock me and throw me back to Square One. Confusion. Yuck. > > And it makes me think about knowledge and intelligence and about > how little I > really know in the scheme of things. But when Patty sings, it > makes it okay. > It's like the whole song builds from this point. She has to > overcome the fact > that she'll never know all she wants to know and she realizes > that life "from > the ground" really isn't so exciting. > > Then someone comes along and tells her to look up... and use her > imagination. > She can do whatever she wants in her mind (or in the "blue sky"). > > I always wanted to fly. I mean, what kid didn't? In the sky, > everything is > perfect. The clouds are soft, the birds are singing, the sun is > bright, and > all you do is play games and relax. So, maybe that's a "fluffy" > idea. But > it's beautiful and you can go there in your mind. That's what > the song means > to me... It's about the strength of imagination and creating a > heaven in your > thoughts, and how it makes your life so much more interesting. About > realizing that, as much as we try, thoughts mean as much as the > weight we give > them. > > So, there ya go. I am not so good at dissecting songs. But when > I listen to > this song, I just love to sing at the top of my lungs... By the time it's > over, my face hurts from smiling so much! :) > > To Camille, who asked about the songs that touch us most... For > me, I think it > would be "Time Will Do the Talking". No one seems to pay much > attention to > this song, but it was the first Patty song that I really loved. > It just makes > me feel good about myself, for whatever reasons, and I don't > think I know why. > > Hugs for all, > Misty :) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:09:15 -0600 (CST) From: rblack1@io.com (Ronda Blacksher) Subject: Re: MM: RE: Fluffy "Daddy?" I have a close friend who, very sadly, was the victim of childhood molestation ... and she couldn't make it all the way through the song, i.e., felt pretty strongly that that was what the lyrics and tone referred to. In the very most horrifying sense, the line does work. Disturbing, but glad someone has the guts to put it out there (Patty) if that was, in fact, her intended meaning. Ronda At 05:36 PM 2/10/99 EST, CornflkGl@aol.com wrote: > I also recall that someone on this list thought it was about a child > molester. >> > >I thought that originally too, but then it didn't work because of the whole >"We're rockin', big daddy" line. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:28:37 EST From: UMCaner74@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: what is it about patty? late-night response with parentheses This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_918689315_boundary Content-ID: <0_918689315@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_918689315_boundary Content-ID: <0_918689315@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: UMCaner74@aol.com Return-path: To: hilah@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: what is it about patty? late-night response with parentheses Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:27:52 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit whatever your name is..that LONG late-night wordy letter to the list was the most Beautiful thing I've ever read..you explained yours and MY feelings for why we appreciate Patty and her music so incredibly perfectly..all I can say is WOW! Now all I ask is your name... Dave - --part0_918689315_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:53:49 -0800 From: "Laine Proctor" Subject: RE: MM: RE: Fluffy "Daddy?" I think this whole "Big Daddy" thing is very interesting...It seems to me that the loss of innocence theme seems to be evident, whether the song refers to child molestation or the killing of animals for sport. I think that Patty was intentionally ambiguous in her lyrics (and in talking about the song, for that matter). Anyway, I don't really see it as fluff, being that it has apparently perplexed so many people, me included. I find it to be a very haunting song. Though some of the lyrics seem lighthearted (A celebration. a celebration...So warm and fuzzy)they don't sound lighthearted. There is something very deep going on there. Laine :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:50:18 -0500 From: "Jennifer Caputo" Subject: MM: RE: Fluffy "Daddy?" Wow! My mail box has never been so full! I mean with midterms here and my professors all sending out reminder emails and all of this discussion about our wonderful Patty I don't know which to read first! The loss of innocence to me, has always been one of the most tragic things and I am pretty sure that it's dominance in her music is what has attracted me to Patty so much. If we look at her songs we see that many of them revolve around this devastating theme. To me, the most emotional of these is "Peter Pan". The fairytale itself has been a long favorite of mine, I always thought it was such a wonderful story. The innocence of all the children in Never never land is one of the most precious things I could imagine. After all, who wants to grow up? Grown ups lie, cheat, and kill (whether it be a bug or a beast). Call me sentimental but I always keep a copy of J. D. Salinger's "The Catcher in the Rye" around. As anyone who has read the book knows, Holden's ideals are the most genuine, unfortunately, we don't live in the fairytales and we all will grow up and we will all lose our innocence and there isn't a damn thing one of us can do about it. We can only be the best people that we can be (which we don't accomplish by putting people or songs down I might add), and i think that that's all Patty wants us to be. My second favorite song is "Forgiveness" followed closely by "Mary." Being raised a Cathlioc and a prominent member of my Youth Group in high school there were so many ideas forced upon me. I felt guilty because I questioned them and it wasnt until I heard "Forgiveness" that I realized there was no need. 'Cause even if I am "swimming with the snakes in the bottom of the well" I still "need a little forgiveness." And if God is who we say he is, then forgiveness I shall receive. I would just like to add that I am thrilled about everyone sharing their favorite songs and sharing what these songs mean to them. With every email I read I am able to look at these songs with a different point of view and for that I give all of you my deepest gratitude. Thank you! Jennifer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:32:07 -0800 From: hilah@ix.netcom.com Subject: MM: Re: unwittingly anonymous previous posting Thank you for your extraordinarily kind words! Sorry to have forgotten to include my name. Sorta new at this medium/method. Name = Seth. ps got the feeling from various emails to me that many people thought me female. in no way meant to confuse anyone. (apologies if necessary) Very much appreciating the current recently on the list. best wishes all around. UMCaner74@aol.com wrote: > whatever your name is..that LONG late-night wordy letter ...(etc) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:33:48 -0500 From: "camille fisher" Subject: MM: Responses to the "Mary" e-mail I just wanted to take a minute to thank everyone who responded to my "Mary" e-mail; so many wonderful and insightful things were offered, and I'd love to see that trend continue. Clearly we all appreciate Patty Griffin (for similar, as well as different, reasons), and we each hear in her music what we contain within ourselves. Naturally, this means multiple, though equally valid, translations of our favorite (and not-so-favorite) Griffin pieces. I think the important thing is that we are listening, thinking and feeling as a result of Patty Griffin's music...and doesn't that make us all very lucky? Again, thank you all so much for your time. Camille in Connecticut P.S. "What lies behind you and what lies before you are small matters compared to what lies within you." - Emerson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:17:35 EST From: UMCaner74@aol.com Subject: MM: favorite Patty tunes.. Hey all, OK..I can't say that this is my favorite Patty song, because like lots of others have said, My "favorite" changes not only day by day, but by the time of day. However, the song that makes the most impact on me is Moses. The 1st time I ever saw her perform I had NO IDEA who she was, and she started her performance on this song. By the time it was over I had tears in my eyes and my jaw was on the floor. I was overwhelmed with all the emotion in her voice as she sung those lyrics. I've always had this problem with feeling lonely. At certain points in my life it's worse than others..and it doesn't matter how many people I'm with, I always have this sense and feeling that I'm alone. Moses has in a way helped me deal with this..not that I feel any less alone, but I don't feel quite so depressed about it if that makes any sense. I know this if of no interest to most of you, so I'll stop talking about this now..but I just wanted to share what song meant the most to me. If I absolutely had to choose just 1 song as my favorite, I'd have to go w/Sweet Lorraine...but Every Little Bit, Tony, Mary, and Wiggley Fingers are so close behind..:-) Anyway..I'm off now..HOPING for a Patty tour date ANYWHERE near the state of Pennsylvania or Maryland OR New Jersey, hell, I'll even take NY at this point ....take care everyone Dave ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #37 ********************************