From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #378 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Friday, December 11 1998 Volume 02 : Number 378 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: MM: indoctrination [Margaret Cvercko ] MM: Re: Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #375 Expletive Etiquette ["Victoria C] MM: RE: Patty/Tony [Margaret Cvercko ] MM: Tony originated..... [pattyh@nb.sympatico.ca] MM: not patty related-sorry ["J. Pruitt / C. Minter" ] Re: MM: RE: Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #375 Expletive Etiquette [CornflkGl] Re: MM: indoctrination [WWM27@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:22:37 -0500 From: Margaret Cvercko Subject: RE: MM: indoctrination Ah yes, but what does "sitting right behind you" actually mean? - -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lilley [mailto:jl51197@swt.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 2:07 PM To: Ronda Blacksher Cc: Wendy J; mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: MM: indoctrination Ronda Tony is a part fictional account based some on a real person. I don't think the "suicide" story is related to anyone specific (other than anyone of the many gay/teen/adult suicides), but the song itself, as I recall reading from the list somewheres...is based on a some one. And as far as the "faggot" word in Tony, I've always felt that she in no way is using it to hurt, but instead to say that when Tony looked in the mirror all he could see was the "Faggot" everyone had always told him he was...and along with that came a lot of negative and hate-filled perspectives. If some one tells you negatively that you are ugly, stupid, clumsy (fill in blank) all your life and they never focus on the good in your character, only attack you with social slurs, only put you down, only hurt you, and no one is ever there to tell you how wonderful you are, then eventually, maybe you would only see things from there negative perspective to...and you'd convince yourself that you are (fill in blank). People called him a little faggot forever, and eventually that was all he could see as well. No one ever helped him feel that his being gay was all right. "I guess you finally stopped believing that any hope would ever find you. I knew that story, I was sitting right behind you." Clearly she feels and defends. Joshua ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:57:58 -0800 From: "Victoria Chenevey" Subject: MM: Re: Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #375 Expletive Etiquette Heather wrote: <<<>>>> Oh my, *poor table manners* in the same column as lack of respect and intolerance??? LOL!! Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:50:56 -0500 From: Margaret Cvercko Subject: MM: RE: Patty/Tony I think we should all follow Joshua's lead. - -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lilley [mailto:jl51197@swt.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 2:34 PM To: Mad Mission Subject: MM: Patty/Tony Hmmm....what does "sitting right behind" you actually mean? I'm not sure. There is the literal translation but... I recall a highscool acquaintance of Patty's posting about how amazed he is that this woman who came froma part of the country that presented her little hope of "making it" is now on the brink of major superstardom. That makes me wonder what more he could tell us about the town Patty is from and Maine. Given one of those really small town scenarios, we could feel inclined to say that any anti-gay feelings were pretty intense. And, I think that Patty attended a Catholic Highschool. Is that correct? If it is, then...jeez..imagine being gay in small town and going to a Catholic school...with priests and what-not and all those religious ideas being discussed every day. So...I'm not sure if it is clear, but maybe the "I knew that story , i was sitting right behind you" has to do with patty feeling kinda pained by the smalltown/little hope of getting out of it/Religious school/ all i want to do is sing...scenario. So, she in turned felt hindered, felt maybe she couldn't be what she felt she was...a singer, a songwriter. I doubt people were very supportive of her dreams...She "hated everyday of highschool" afterall...so I guess she also "stopped believing that any hope would ever find {her}". Anyone? But, let me just conclude by saying that I feel suddenly like I'm intruding...even though she has shared with us these things through her music...I suddenly get the wiggins writing about her private life.... Josh (running fast away from his computer....) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:16:50 -0400 From: pattyh@nb.sympatico.ca Subject: MM: Tony originated..... Hello Mad Missionaries, I haven't written in month but I thought that I would add my little tidbit to the conversation. From what I understand, Tony was an actual person that Patty went to high school with in Old Towne, Maine. I don't know if his name was Tony or if she changed it for the song but I remember a post from a while back where someone she went to high school posted to the list about the actual death of Tony and how tragic it was for all the students at the school. So, from that I gathered that Tony was a real person. I think that Patty sings and writes about what is close to her and what she thinks is important. I think Tony is the simple story of hate and tragedy. Patty brings the issue to the surface and tells it in a way that makes you cry and feel anger at the same time. Just thought that I'd let you know! Thanks for keeping me entertained!:) Happy Holidays to you all! Smiles, Patty K. "and whoever's in charge up there had better take the elevator down and put more than change in our cup or else we are coming up." Ani Difranco ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:35:11 -0800 From: "J. Pruitt / C. Minter" Subject: MM: not patty related-sorry Don't ya hate it when you read your own post after you've sent it and you find to your absolute horror that you've totally misspelled a really easy word? Cristina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:34:36 -0800 From: "Vanessa Wheeler" Subject: MM: PATTY!!! it's not "PATTIE" it's PATTY! get it right ya'll. (sorry small joke - simply goofing around : ) v ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:17:02 EST From: CornflkGl@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: RE: Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #375 Expletive Etiquette In a message dated 12/10/98 8:09:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, pdangerfield@iltischicago.com writes: << I am new on to this list, and in just 2 days I have received enough = pointless, non-Patty e mails to last me through the millenium. Please, if = it has nothing to do with Patty, don't send it -- and spare us all the = wasted time. >> Fat chance. We're friends here, bucko, and we talk to each other. We mumble sometimes. Occasionally, we swear. But we do NOT always talk about Patty. We don't consider it a waste. Heck, we LIKE it. Here's an idea- don't join a mailing list and, two days after signing on, tell people to shut up. Nobody's gonna jump on your bandwagon. Want only Patty posts ? Subscribe to the Patty news list. Have a nice night. Rachel :D ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:32:39 EST From: WWM27@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: indoctrination the truth is Patty's best friend is a 'queer'....he was the love of my life! ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #378 *********************************