From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #326 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, October 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 326 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: grand puba 2000 ["Paul Russell" ] Re: MM: Yankee hat & shirt ["Amy Emerman" ] Re: MM: songwriting [gmixa@juno.com (Grace-Anne Halverson)] Re[2]: MM: songwriting [cdaignea@bakerbotts.com] Fwd: Re: MM: Yankee hat & shirt ["Amy Emerman" ] Re: Fwd: Re: MM: Yankee hat & shirt [cdaignea@bakerbotts.com] MM: guitar playing [jessica.sampson@sbaor.com (Jessica Sampson)] MM: RE: guitar playing [Sharyn Murray ] MM: guitar playing? [GKRG@grove.iup.edu] MM: OFF-guitarists and songwriter's ["chessa" ] MM: Patty in Philly, DC, and New Cumberland [UMCaner74@aol.com] MM: Re: IMPORTANT POSTING REMINDER... [rainswept@nwu.edu] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:00:13 PST From: "Paul Russell" Subject: MM: grand puba 2000 Here's me at my attempt to make this post short. Let's see how I do. I agree that the strumming and the "beeyaeeeyaaeeyaa" stuff rocks as well. I haven't seen Ms. Patty Griffin live yet either and would love to. So, please please please please someone post it if she even comes close to Pensacola. I'm talking I'll even trek to Tallahassee, New Orleans, and Mobile...and I guess for the sake of argument I could even go to Jacksonville, Montgomery, and possibly Atlanta however those places are my driving max radius to even watch Elvis Presley if the King were still alive. Regarding lyrics and how they're written. Well, to tell y'all the truth it is amazing how little thought is needed to write sometimes the most moving lyrics. Example-1: Phil Collins "in the air tonight"..he just made up the lyrics in a jam session one day and many thought he witnessed some kind of drowning. Example-2: Michael W. Smith wrote lyrics to the song "friends" in 15 minutes before dinner and that one song has touched millions of christians far and wide. And you know I could go on, cuz I'm a mad writer but I think I got my point across. And on the same note (different clef) is that many artists who take the time to carefully write out lyrics specifically for the content don't get fully realized...The Police, Sting, Jacksone Browne, Lou Reed, yadda yadda yadda. And to keep this Patty Griffin oriented...Take Sweet Lorraine for example. When I first heard it (or the second time, or third time I don't remember) I thought it was auto-biographical; I looked at the inside CD cover, saw the strewn-about red hair, the brown eyes, and thought, "hey, fiery-haired brown eyed schemer...that's her!" But from reading other posts here I know that not to be true. So, again, using stuff that fits. The important thing is not that the artist take the lyrics to heart, though, it's that the listener do so. Do you think Lou Reed would rather play "take a walk on the Wild Side" at a concert, or "Dirty Blvd?" But ask the audience, and get a different answer. As a musician, I find songs with rhythmic irregular tempos awesome and fun, but usually settle for simple beats. From my poetry days I found that some of my most personal poems were skimmed over, while the one's I actually wrote on a limb (just because it sounded good) were the one's my friends said, "wow, that's real deep. I feel what you're trying to say." I used to be like "what are you talking about?", but I learnt to grin and bear it. And as a fan I'm always looking for good music, whether the lyrics are as good as Ms. Griffin's "poor man's house", or as bad as Ms. Imbruglia's (sp?) "wishing I was there" (IMHO) (i didn't say the song was bad, I just thought the lyrics were cheesey...and damn, she's a babe.) :P But as I just looked at what I've written, this has been another long post. Sorry. I'm gone. peace love and vegetable rights paul ***************************** * Only the very dull are * * brilliant at breakfast * * --Oscar Wilde * ***************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:48:29 PST From: "Amy Emerman" Subject: Re: MM: Yankee hat & shirt What was the opinion? All I said was that I'm not a sports fan! If anyone takes offense to that, then they can email me personally! Too bad some people on the list get so touchy when there's absolutely no reason for it! Lighten up, folks. This is a happy list. Not a place to bring your personal neuroses! Cheers, Amy >From lba290@hecky.acns.nwu.edu Wed Oct 28 07:46:20 1998 >Received: from localhost (lba290@localhost) > by hecky.acns.nwu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA04447 > for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:46:00 -0600 (CST) >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:46:00 -0600 (CST) >From: "rainswept@nwu.edu" >To: Amy Emerman >Subject: Re: MM: Yankee hat & shirt >In-Reply-To: <19981027222816.13087.qmail@hotmail.com> >Message-ID: >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > > >And let's not forget that this is a list for people to give their own >thoughts and opinions too--so the person had EVERY RIGHT to say what they >did. > > Personally, I rolled my eyes when I read that comment and deleted it when >I was done. I didn't care if she wore that or not and I thought that once >Judy said she gave it to her, it was explained and was a very nice thing >to do. But it didn't matter if Patty bought it herself. The person had the >right to make that comment--as stupid as it may be. This list allows >negative comments as well as positive. We have to remember that people >have the right to their own opinions. > > > Lisa > > >(as stupid as those opinions may be) :) > > > >On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, Amy Emerman wrote: > >> As someone who doesn't pay attention to sports, this gesture was lost on >> me, but it was a very cute and spontaneous thing for Patty to do, and >> very thoughtful of Judy to give it to her! There was no negativity there >> as far as I was aware of. >> >> Sometimes email can lead to confusion about people's motives. I was just >> giving a little view of the show thru my eyes for those who weren't >> there. Nothing negative about the Yankees or about sports, just that the >> gesture was lost on me, personally, since I have no clue about sports. >> However, in retrospect, I think it was a really nice thing of Judith to >> do! I had heard Patty mumbling something jokingly about "kissing up to >> the New York audience," but that's it... >> >> Enjoy the music, and let's not misunderstand each other! This is a list >> for information and positive things to be passed on. The idea was to >> paint a tiny sketch of the show for those who couldn't make it. >> >> Peace, Amy >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> > >********************************************************************** > >"You chose a giant step/Caught your eye/Guaranteed sweetness/That you >thought broken/And you were not fine..." > > ---Guided By Voices > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:24:02 -0500 From: gmixa@juno.com (Grace-Anne Halverson) Subject: Re: MM: songwriting I am glad that people are talking about where songs come from. As a (developing) songwriter I would echo others' thoughts that sometimes a song's lyrics are just manipulations of words that sound good together. What Paul said about some of the writings one puts the most of themselves into do not get much recognition, is very true. I would also add that occasionally I will write something and not realize that it means anything to me until after it is finished and I truly hear the lyrics for the first time. That is an amazing experience because you witness your unconscious communicating to the conscious. (Supernatural I would dare to say). sorry, is this getting too deep? Also, did any of you catch that the chorus to Blue Sky is the exact same chord progression as U2's "With or Without You?" Nothing earth shattering, my sister and I just thought it was pretty cool that you could sing "And the blue sky" underneath Bono's melody. buh-bye, grace ________________________________________________________________ Get secure free e-mail that you don't need Web access to use from Juno, the world's second largest online service. Download your free software at http://www.juno.com/getit.b.html. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 98 13:35:07 -0600 From: cdaignea@bakerbotts.com Subject: Re[2]: MM: songwriting I'm not a songwriter, but I've dabbled in poetry.....similar but different. When writing poetry I've nearly always been inspired by an event or thought and simply ran with it. In most cases, especially when trying to keep in meter, a particular thought would be manipulated to fit in. In other words, sometimes my original intent would stray. I figure songwriting would have to be similar considering it's like poetry set to music. ::shrug:: Just a thought. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:47:18 PST From: "Amy Emerman" Subject: Fwd: Re: MM: Yankee hat & shirt All this nonsense about the hat and shirt should stop now! It was cute of Patty to put it on, very nice of Judith to give it to her, and I just mentioned it anecdotally, in passing. Never dreamed the email confusion that would spring from a passing description of the show. I don't care what Patty wears--she always looks great, and more importantly, sings and radiates beautifully. that's it! Amy Anyone care to introduce some new topics? :-) > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 98 14:57:57 -0600 From: cdaignea@bakerbotts.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: MM: Yankee hat & shirt How 'bout them.....oh....nevermind. O:> ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Fwd: Re: MM: Yankee hat & shirt Author: "Amy Emerman" at internet Date: 10/28/98 11:47 AM All this nonsense about the hat and shirt should stop now! It was cute of Patty to put it on, very nice of Judith to give it to her, and I just mentioned it anecdotally, in passing. Never dreamed the email confusion that would spring from a passing description of the show. I don't care what Patty wears--she always looks great, and more importantly, sings and radiates beautifully. that's it! Amy Anyone care to introduce some new topics? :-) > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 01:24:24 -0800 From: jessica.sampson@sbaor.com (Jessica Sampson) Subject: MM: guitar playing How did she(Patty)that is ever learn to play the way she does. She must of either taken lessons for years or just picked it up, I dont know but I do know that it always amazes me how she can go from blues to folk to rock and roll baby soooo fast and effortlessly. I suppose thats why she Patty G. If anyone knows how she got so good let me know because its very very cool..........Talk to you all later. Jessica"it's a mad mission/got the ambition" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:50:04 -0500 From: Sharyn Murray Subject: MM: RE: guitar playing I know she started when she was 16. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:03:13 -0500 (EST) From: GKRG@grove.iup.edu Subject: MM: guitar playing? she didn't start playing until she was 16? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:45:16 -0500 From: "chessa" Subject: MM: OFF-guitarists and songwriter's i've been reading quite a few e-mails. and learning that there are many musicians and songwriters on this list. many inspired by a universal feeling which is the drive and love for music. i'm very interested in who you are, where you're from, and what you play or do or enjoy. feel free to write! chessa@computer.net peace. amanda "i'm a flower in the mud"--ssc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:06:40 EST From: UMCaner74@aol.com Subject: MM: Patty in Philly, DC, and New Cumberland Hi gang!, I promised to tell you all about my experience of seeing Patty 3 times in 10 days and meeting her so here it goes. On Thursday the 15th my sister (now a HUGE Patty fan) left for a 2 & 1/2 our drive to Glenside, PA (near Philly). This was to be her 1st time seeing her, she had no idea what she was in for! It was my 5th time seeing her, but only the 1st time as a headliner. The Nields opened the show and were excellent. Then after about a GRUELING 20 minute wait until our adorable Redheaded Patty took the stage. She opened the show on Big Daddy, segueing into Blue Sky...the theatre was pretty much packed which made it a very fun environment in the first place. This was my 2nd time seeing her with the band and even though nothing can compare to Patty solo, this is the next best thing. I think I was so in awe of her that I can't even remember what all songs she played. I remember Carry Me, Change, etc...The middle of the set with her playing solo was most certainly the highlight of the show. Sweet Lorraine was killer and left the crowd requesting more solo material..Every Little Bit..Mad Mission..and Poor Man's House were most requested. However, it was not to be as the band came back. There was no let-down through the 2nd half of the set. Songs like Tony, and Wiggley Fingers rocked the house. Then there was Silver Bell..which to me was the biggest surprise of the night. After further review it would be hard to say this was not also a highlight. After this I could not wait the 6 days till I saw her in my own back yard..New Cumberland, PA (my sister went again!!) On this night Iodine opened. I didn't know much about them but was pretty impressed when they were done. As a band I think they're good, they just need stronger vocals (in my opinion). Patty took to the stage and she started on Carry Me, followed by Wiggley Fingers, always an incredible Live song. After change she played Flaming Red (which was missing from the Glenside show) After her solo set which included Sweet Lorraine and Peter Pan she ended the set on Goodbye, Blue Sky, Little God (GREAT new song), Tony, Mary..then the encore of Silver Bell, Anne Peebles, and another cover. After the show I was able to meet Patty and get a picture with her..I can't believe my behavior as I was too scared to even look into her eyes..let alone speak properly. I had met her before, but for some reason the experience was just too overwhelming this time. Then 3 days later it was off to DC to see our beauty again. I sat in the balcony on the side of the stage to get a different view. It was pretty much the same set list as the Glenside show with a few exceptions. During the encore she played Crazy, which was just heavenly. I always wondered what it would sound like to hear her sing this live and I was NOT disappointed. Now I just can't wait till she comes back again..maybe I can convince her to take me on tour with her?? I can be her roadie at no charge maybe?? Just hearing her beautiful voice is more than enough for me. Anyway..I've made this WAY too long already. Take Care everyone. Love, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 20:38:07 -0600 From: rainswept@nwu.edu Subject: MM: Re: IMPORTANT POSTING REMINDER... Okay, guess it's time for me to actually post something to the list and only because I feel it is very important. First, some people prefer not to reply to the whole list but to reply privately to a few people who have written something they have an opinion about. Now, the important part. When someone replies privately to you, that means that they chose not to post that reply to the whole group--for whatever reason. If you reply to that person and CC it to the whole group, you are violating their privacy. If they had wanted the whole list to see thier reply, they would have sent it the list instead of that one person only (and this doesn't mean that there is anything that they couldn't say to the whole list in those replies, they just chose not to send it to the whole group.) PLEASE REMEMBER THIS FOR FUTURE REPLIES. I don't appreciate seeing something that I wrote to ONE person sent to the whole list also--even if it is just a comment on the length of a t-shirt or the fact that a url isn't working or worse, an opinion about something that was written to the group. Lucky, what I say to people in my private replies aren't something that I wouldn't say to the whole group (though I can't say the same for someone else) --I just CHOOSE not to and there are others who feel the same way on this list so let's try to respect their wishes. If someone replies privately to you, please reply privately to them. Do not post a reply to the whole list. Lisa > >If someone replies privately to you, reply privately to them. Do not post >a reply to the whole list. **************************************************************************** "You chose a giant step/Caught your eye/Guaranteed sweetness/That you thought broken/And you were not fine..." ---Guided By Voices ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #326 *********************************