From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #324 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Tuesday, October 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 324 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Favorite Quote ["Paquin, John" ] Re: MM: Favorite Quote [cdaignea@bakerbotts.com] MM: Re: Hi ["Amy Emerman" ] MM: DC Show [cdaignea@bakerbotts.com] MM: long sleeve [jessica.sampson@sbaor.com (Jessica Sampson)] MM: Re: cool. ["Amy Emerman" ] MM: Bowery Ballroom show ["Perlman, Judith" ] Re: MM: DC Show [gmixa@juno.com (Grace-Anne Halverson)] Re: MM: Re: cool. [JohnRN24@aol.com] Re: MM: Bowery Ballroom show [Elaine Bean ] MM: Read Me If You're Going To The Austin Show!!!!!! [Joshua Lilley ] Re: MM: Religion in Patty's music [cdaignea@bakerbotts.com] Re: MM: hello all [Mudhoney49@aol.com] Re[2]: MM: shirts [cdaignea@bakerbotts.com] MM: non-patty sorry... ["Gould, Rachel L." ] Re: MM: shirts [jessica.sampson@sbaor.com (Jessica Sampson)] MM: RE: Religion in Patty's music [Mark Cicero ] MM: Re: RE: Religion in Patty's music ["Kevin Pease" Subject: MM: Favorite Quote My favorite Patty lyric is from "Sweet Lorraine" Lorraine started working, Lorraine went to school her mother threw stones at her on the day that she moved now isn't that a very strange thing to do for someone who never really wanted you These lines completely flatten me because they show Patty's insight into human emotions, and her unbelievable ability to "show" that the emotions exist in the scene without "telling" you they exist. As an example, she could have said "Her mother freaked on her because she loved her and was terrified to lose her" or maybe "her mother thought that when Lorraine left, she would be left all alone with the father." This would be an example of "telling" the listener what emotions are present. Instead, Patty has this wonderful gift for "showing" the listener the scene and letting the situation describe the emotions involved. We now return you to your regularly scheduled opinion. - -john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 98 09:53:45 -0600 From: cdaignea@bakerbotts.com Subject: Re: MM: Favorite Quote ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: MM: Favorite Quote Author: "Paquin John" at internet Date: 10/27/98 8:42 AM >>>>>>>We now return you to your regularly scheduled opinion.<<<<<<< I much too early in the morning to be laughing at my desk. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:20:04 PST From: "Amy Emerman" Subject: MM: Re: Hi You missed a great show! To be honest, some of the playing with the band got on my nerves a little bit...all the rock star posing, and her bass player strutting around the stage looking like a puking iguana...but when Patty sang solo she was incredible. Highlights - Stolen Car, Mad Mission, Peter Pan just Patty on piano and Doug on guitar...also, Moses solo, and several others... I'm not a sports fan, so when she came out with a Yankees jacket and cap i was not impressed at all, and kind of rolled my eyes...but the side of her that is raw and natural and pure is just so lovely.... Amy P.S. Her boyfriend Troy came out during Peter Pan to watch the rest of the show and very few people knew he was her boyfriend...he was sweet, and was very supportive...clapping, whistling, quietly enjoying Patty's great performance....AMY >From ziad_toubassy@bm.com Thu Oct 22 13:44:04 1998 >Received: (from root@localhost) by yandrny1-bh.yr.com (8.8.8/8.6.11) id QAA25923 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:43:55 -0400 (EDT) >From: ZIAD_TOUBASSY@bm.com >Received: from smtp1.yr.com(152.146.6.141) by yandrny1-bh.yr.com via smap (4.1) > id xma025390; Thu, 22 Oct 98 16:43:08 -0400 >Received: from ccMail by smtp1.yr.com > (IMA Internet Exchange 3.11) id 00089998; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:43:23 - -0400 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:31:43 -0400 >Message-ID: <00089998.C21362@bm.com> >To: "Amy Emerman" >Subject: Re: Hi >Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.3009809090" > > Didn't even know about it...I doubt I'll be able to make it. > > How are you? > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: Hi >Author: "Amy Emerman" at Internet >Date: 10/22/98 11:12 AM > > >Are you going to Patty Griffin concert tonight at the Bowery Ballroom? >Just wondering...Amy Emerman > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 98 10:52:15 -0600 From: cdaignea@bakerbotts.com Subject: MM: DC Show Any word on the DC show? I had a ticket but, unfortunately, wasn't able to go. ::sob:: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:11:20 -0800 From: jessica.sampson@sbaor.com (Jessica Sampson) Subject: MM: long sleeve I second that Shawnte!! A short sleeve red shirt DOES seem odd!!! Long sleeve would be cool and red!!! Red is saying something, it's really saying something. Just like Patty is saying something by using red so are we. Jessica ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:38:07 PST From: "Amy Emerman" Subject: MM: Re: cool. he's cute (the boyfriend) -- shoulder length hair, looks half Japanese, half caucasian, seemed very nice and sweet and supportive, slightly androgynous, cute....seemed very nice (didn't talk to him 'cause I was shy and didn't want to be intrusive, but I observed him, and he seemed to have a really nice energy, mellow, supportive, etc. >Received: from [207.33.23.189] by hotmail.com (1.0) with SMTP id MHotMail30869616503453506532498347505247712060; Tue Oct 27 09:20:56 1998 >Received: from sbaor.com ([207.33.23.189]) by sbaor1.sbaor.com > (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-33296U1010) with ESMTP id AAA359 > for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:18:48 -0800 >Message-ID: <3636A913.C6F43D32@sbaor.com> >Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:18:11 -0800 >From: jessica.sampson@sbaor.com (Jessica Sampson) >Reply-To: jessica.sampson@sbaor.com >Organization: Santa Barbara Association of Realtors >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: amye6@hotmail.com >Subject: cool. >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Enjoyed reading your post. Im not a Yankee fan either and it's hard to >imaging Patty doing that. Ive seen her twice and it just seems not like >her at all but anyway her rawness is awesome I agree. What is her >boyfriend like is he a little punky kid or is he a man?? ha ha Just >wondered!! >Love and Music, >Jessica > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:06:56 -0500 From: "Perlman, Judith" Subject: MM: Bowery Ballroom show Since people have been writing about the Yankee shirt & hat Patty put on for the encore, and since the people who were there were NOT listening when Patty announced that it was a gift from a fan, I'm posting this to say they were gifts from me. I did not post about this earlier because I did not want to seem solipsistic. But I do NOT appreciate all the negative comments about it. In addition to the fact that they are incredibly tactless, putting them on the list for everyone to read exacerbates the incivility. If you have a problem with it, please e-mail each other, or me, privately. Judy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:17:57 -0500 From: gmixa@juno.com (Grace-Anne Halverson) Subject: Re: MM: DC Show hi, i'm new to MM. the DC show at the Bayou was great! she sang a lot of covers and only Sweet Lorraine from LWG, but i love the new album. wiggley fingers was one of the highlights of the concert. i was right up at the front of the stage. she was also very humble and did not really talk much, she seemed pretty tired too. but she still pulled off a great show. i thought her bassist was hilarious, he makes the funniest faces! ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:13:10 EST From: JohnRN24@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: cool. If we are talking about Troy Campbell, he is SOOO COOL! I am so happy for Patty. Troy opened for her in Ann Arbor last time they were around Toledo. We talked to him, asked if we could stay for show #2, but they were already sold out. Troy said he'd put us on the list for the Columbus show. WOO HOO! What a sweetheart! My sister and I got pictures w/ him and then with Patty. It was sooooo much fun! Anyway, there's my 2 cents... well more like a nickel. :-) John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:05:06 -0800 From: Elaine Bean Subject: Re: MM: Bowery Ballroom show Perlman, Judith wrote: > I'm posting this to say they were gifts from me. . . . What a nice thinkg for you to do! > I did not want to seem solipsistic. Judith, Must I tell you again? Please do not use words that make me scratch my head and say "huh"? I don't appreciate being forced to think more than necessary (or, God forbid, actually use a dictionary). Elaine :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:52:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Joshua Lilley Subject: MM: Read Me If You're Going To The Austin Show!!!!!! To Everyone Who Plans on Attending the Austin Show...NOV 7th... Some of the MMs who will be attending have been flirting with the idea of a pre-game party...Rhonda, from Austin, with her friends, One gentleman from Houston, whose name escapes me right now, Mystchif1 (Jen?) from...gasp!...Phoenix, Arizona...and another lady from College Station... And myself... Anyhow...I think it would be nice to do this. But that has already been established. Now, all we have to do is pick a time and a place...and an agenda. Would we like to eat together and get all psyched for the concert, or grab a few drinks and get...psyched..for the concert, or what???? To Rhonda, I say, hey...pick a place, it's all the same to me. You know the town better than I do...why not make some suggestions. I'm sure it would go over well. And to all who would like to attend and meet others from the list, keep a lookout. And respond to this post, please!!!!!!!!!! "We were drinking like the Irish, but we were drinking scotch.." JKLilley San Marcos. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:31:08 -0500 From: "Antall. Scott" Subject: MM: Religion in Patty's music Anyone have any comments about the many many references to religion in Patty's songs? I find countless references. Scott Antall ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 98 15:52:33 -0600 From: cdaignea@bakerbotts.com Subject: Re: MM: Religion in Patty's music Good question, Scott! But, ::laughing:: I'm not touching this one. I'm gonna "find a comfy spot and wait it out." ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: MM: Religion in Patty's music Author: "Antall. Scott" at internet Date: 10/27/98 3:31 PM Anyone have any comments about the many many references to religion in Patty's songs? I find countless references. Scott Antall ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:06:07 EST From: Mudhoney49@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: hello all Hi Kimberly-I'm new here too, and she hasn't been here yet (Kansas, around the Lawrence area) Do any of you know if she's ever been down here? Hayley In a message dated 10/26/98 10:42:50 PM, KIMBER311@aol.com wrote: <> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 98 09:56:57 -0600 From: cdaignea@bakerbotts.com Subject: Re[2]: MM: shirts Actually, this made me laugh first. ::still laughing:: I was just saying yesterday, that is mailing list is my saving grave during the day. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: MM: shirts Author: at internet Date: 10/26/98 8:26 PM In a message dated 10/26/98 8:24:46 PM EST, cdaignea@bakerbotts.com writes: << they discontinued 2 of them. Fuckers. >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:28:00 -0500 From: "Gould, Rachel L." Subject: MM: non-patty sorry... off subject, i know, but i thought i would share this quote with you all. it says so much... just like patty's lyrics, it is something that just about everyone can find a place for in their soul... "Humility says there were people before me who found the path. I'm a road builder. For those who are yet to come, I seem to be finding the path and they will be road builders..." Maya Angelou ********************************************************************** This email message and any files transmitted with it are subject to attorney-client privilege and contains confidential information intended only for the person(s) to whom this email message is addressed. If you have received this email message in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone or email and destroy the original message without making a copy. Thank you. Testa, Hurwitz & Thibeault, LLP tel:617-248-7000 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 01:34:58 -0800 From: jessica.sampson@sbaor.com (Jessica Sampson) Subject: Re: MM: shirts Amen Amen, I laughed so hard and thought YES Im in the right place. Im home honey!! Jessica cdaignea@bakerbotts.com wrote: > Actually, this made me laugh first. > > ::still laughing:: > > I was just saying yesterday, that is mailing list is my > saving grave during the day. > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Re: MM: shirts > Author: at internet > Date: 10/26/98 8:26 PM > > In a message dated 10/26/98 8:24:46 PM EST, cdaignea@bakerbotts.com writes: > > << they discontinued 2 of them. Fuckers. >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:46:22 -0600 From: Mark Cicero Subject: MM: RE: Religion in Patty's music Scott asks:"Anyone have any comments about the many many references to religion in Patty's songs? I find countless references". Mark Replies: Yes there are many references to Religion in Patty's music but there are equally if not more references to other subjects such as, love, gay friends or aquaintances, relationships, death, despair, etc..... I don't give any of it any special significance. They just seem to make for good lyrical subject matter. I think we sometimes make too much of the songwriters lyrical content. I remember hearing an interview with John Lennon where the reporters kept asking him what some of his songs meant and he said very simply that "they were just songs." I am not a song writer but my perception of the craft is that it is very often not as personal as we would like to think it is. Sometimes certain words or phrases are used simply because they work (for what ever reason) better than other words or phrases. Patty excels at the craft of songwriting and is blessed with a beautifull voice which she uses to bring her songs to life. I try not to dig too deep into meanings because I find it distracts me from enjoying the song as a whole. Sometimes I consciousely try to ignor the words and just listen to the voice and the sound it makes. Try listening without thinking. You might find it very relaxing. On another note: I have noticed that we have many new subscribers to this list. I think that's encouraging. It shows that Patty's music is getting out there and reaching people. I can't recall a time when there was this much activity on the list. Welcome to all the newcomers. Best regards, Mark Nashville,TN ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:13:30 -0500 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: MM: Re: RE: Religion in Patty's music >> Mark Cicero writes: >[...] Sometimes certain words or >phrases are used simply because they work (for what ever reason) better >than other words or phrases. Patty excels at the craft of songwriting [...] I think you hit it right on the head there, Mark. Somebody else mentioned earlier today that they felt Patty was very good at "showing," rather than stating, the emotion (the example given was "Sweet Lorraine")... I think this ties in. Take, as an example, "Moses": "... I need Moses / to cross this sea of loneliness, part this red river of pain..." The semi-religious imagery works well there... I'd (hesitantly :) venture to say that most people will understand the reference to Moses, and as a result, understand exactly how "big & uncrossable" that sea of loneliness & river of pain seem. I would guess it was used because it fit, and it seemed the appropriate image to use. Many of the religious references in Patty's songs strike me in a similar way - the idea fit, and it fit nicely into the song... she "shows" the situation, rather than just saying "It's like... I'm like... so sad, man. And I'm also depressed." I've never given any special significance (at least any more significance than any other image or reference she uses) to the religious references, honestly... I've always assumed they're there because that's the idea Patty was trying to get across, and that particular image or phrase did it the best. Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease "Sitting here at the water's edge now that the storm has gone, First time in years it feels like nothing's wrong, There've been a lot of changes, I was so lost for a while, Sitting here I remember how it's easy to smile..." ---(Heather Nova, "Grow Young")--- ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #324 *********************************