From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #321 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Monday, October 26 1998 Volume 02 : Number 321 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: song meanings?? [HAW3065@ACS.TAMU.EDU] MM: "Please release me . . ." [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: MM: New Member ["Donna Littell" ] Re: MM: New Member ["Donna Littell" ] MM: Re: song meanings?? ["Donna Littell" ] MM: Favorite Song/Line ["Donna Littell" ] Re: MM: discussion [Pretty Silver Grrrl ] MM: i have an idea [Boy1der2u@aol.com] MM: bootlegs [Pretty Silver Grrrl ] MM: Patty in DC ["losthwy" ] MM: re: chat room, t-shirts [CornflkGl@aol.com] Re: MM: discussion [JohnRN24@aol.com] Re: MM: re: chat room, t-shirts [JohnRN24@aol.com] Re: MM: discussion ["Victoria Chenevey" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 2:32:45 -0600 From: HAW3065@ACS.TAMU.EDU Subject: MM: song meanings?? Okay, I am just wondering about what you guys think some of LWG songs are about? Some could have many different meanings. So, any ideas on Let Him Fly? Possibly about her ex-husband? Although I don't know if the song was written before the breakup. Okay, from FR, Mary? At a show in Ft. Worth, she said Mary was a song about her grandmother, Mary O'Conner. So, what about the Virgin Mary references?? I did hear that Poor Man's House was about her grandfather. Just curious what people think about some of the less saucy songs (ie Wiggley Fingers!!!) What do ya'll think? +++ Heather +++ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 08:53:56 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: MM: "Please release me . . ." << Why does it seem that Patty never imagined those songs (LWG) to be released, yet they were the very heart of her. >> I don't think the point was that Patty never imagined those songs to be released, I think the point is that she didn't think those particular PERFORMANCES (that is, solo acoustic) would be released. But speaking of non-released stuff . . . I'm still amazed that some of the most powerful songs she wrote between CDs ("We Are Water," "One More Girl," "Falling Down," "Nobody's Crying," etc.) didn't make "Flaming Red." In my not-so-humble opinion, I think all four of those songs are better than anything on "Flaming Red" except "Tony" and "Mary." Hey, don't get me wrong, I looooove "Flaming Red," but can you imagine how much BETTER it would have been with those songs? Huh? Huh? Ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 10:10:48 -0500 From: "Donna Littell" Subject: Re: MM: New Member Okay, Larry. You have a few years on me. I have never seen Joni live, but her music has sure influenced my life. I'm from Downingtown, Pennsylvania. It's west of Philadelphia. Donna - -----Original Message----- From: Larry G. To: Donna Littell Date: Saturday, October 24, 1998 7:16 PM Subject: Re: MM: New Member > > >Hey grandma, where are you from? > >If you "grew up" listening to Joni, then that makes me the "great >grandpa" of the list? I saw and heard Joni first in 1968, when I >was a lad of 18. > >Seeya, > >-=-Larry-=- > >Donna Littell wrote: >> >> Hi all. I recently joined the list (soon after I saw Patty at the Keswick on >> 10/15). I am certain I may be the "grandmother" of this group, but >> nonetheless, I am a huge fan. I grew up listening to Joni Mitchell and have >> always been drawn to female singer songwriters. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 10:27:24 -0500 From: "Donna Littell" Subject: Re: MM: New Member I also follow opening acts. Most people arrive late to avoid listening, but I have been turned on to many wonderful artists. Funny you should mention "Little Green". I have a VW Cabrio that I named "Little Green" after the song. (silly I know). Part of Patty's appeal is definitely her humanity. I think she's kind of in awe that this is happening to her. I want her to be successful, and strongly feel that she is going to be big, but I really don't want to share her with the masses. I saw Tori Amos in a tiny theater years ago. Now she plays the huge arenas. I refuse to see anyone in that kind of venue. At least we can say "I knew her when." - -----Original Message----- From: JohnRN24@aol.com To: MAD-MISSION@smoe.org Date: Saturday, October 24, 1998 11:13 PM Subject: Re: MM: New Member > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 10:35:28 -0500 From: "Donna Littell" Subject: MM: Re: song meanings?? I assumed that Let Him Fly was about her ex-husband. When I saw her in Glenside, PA she said the song Mary was for her sister. I think Mary is a feminist song. She's singing about the Virgin Mary, but I think it's about all women who play such an important role in society, but go unnoticed and unappreciated. The reference to "she stays behind and starts cleaning up the place" is a powerful line. Without Mary, there would not be "Jesus", but her contributions are quiet, subtle but so important. Donna - -----Original Message----- From: HAW3065@ACS.TAMU.EDU To: MAD-MISSION@smoe.org Date: Sunday, October 25, 1998 2:35 AM Subject: MM: song meanings?? >Okay, I am just wondering about what you guys think some of LWG songs are >about? Some could have many different meanings. So, any ideas on >Let Him Fly? Possibly about her ex-husband? Although I don't know if the song >was written before the breakup. Okay, from FR, Mary? At a show in Ft. Worth, >she said Mary was a song about her grandmother, Mary O'Conner. So, what about >the Virgin Mary references?? I did hear that Poor Man's House was about her >grandfather. Just curious what people think about some of the less saucy songs >(ie Wiggley Fingers!!!) What do ya'll think? > > +++ Heather +++ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 10:43:48 -0500 From: "Donna Littell" Subject: MM: Favorite Song/Line I guess my favorite song is "Every Little Bit" from LWG. Favorite line is a tough one. There are so many. I have noticed that the Mad Mission group has already quoted some of my favorites - the one from Christina and the one in Mary. I would have to say that the song "Change" is one of my favorite lyrically. Mostly because it's my favorite theme - what women do to keep a man. It's so sad, but so common and I wonder why. I wonder if this is the kind of relationship she had with her ex-husband. I hope that women will see themselves in this song and recognize the dysfunctionality in the relationship. Donna ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 10:51:03 -0800 (PST) From: Pretty Silver Grrrl Subject: Re: MM: discussion - ---JohnRN24@aol.com wrote: >> Song: Nobody's Crying (Wishing Well) >> Quote: "You're covered in treetops...covered in birds... - --- I thought that was from Mary?? Can I pick more than one??? Mine would have to be Song: Every Little Bit Quote: "I stay unseen by the light I stay untold by the truth I am sold by a lie.." Song: Let Him Fly Quote: "there's no mercy in a live wire, no rest at all in freedom of the choices we are given it's no choice at all..." Song: Not Alone Quote: "One of them bullets went straight for the jugular vein There were people running, A flash of light then everything changed Nothing really matters in the end you know all the worries sever Don't be afraid for me my friend One day we all fall down forever..." I love them all! :) *HUGS* Lamia == "Love demands expression. I will not stay still, stay silent, Be good, be modest, be seen and not heard, NO!... A precise emotion seeks a precise expression. If what I feel is not precise then should I call it love?" - --Jeanette Winterson, Writen on the Body _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 14:03:52 EST From: Boy1der2u@aol.com Subject: MM: i have an idea i dont know if this has ever been attempted or not since i am quite new to the group...but for all of those aol memeber...how about setting up a chat room for patty.....e mail is quick, but chat is quicker....if you like the idea than maybe we should try it...maybe set up a time and the name and the great majority of us can talk about the woman whom we all seem to worship. XOXO Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 11:32:29 -0800 (PST) From: Pretty Silver Grrrl Subject: MM: bootlegs Hi! two things! After organizing my collection I've found I have an extra copy of Patty 5/14/97 Pirmont, NY if anyone wants it, and also Someone on this list, I owe you some bootlegs!! we did a partial trade/partial blank postage deal, and I've looked in all my notebooks and I can't find your name/address/email...please get back to me cuz it's been a little while...!!!!! I guess you just got lost when hotmail was being so rude to me!! Thanks ya'll *HUGS* Lamia == "Love demands expression. I will not stay still, stay silent, Be good, be modest, be seen and not heard, NO!... A precise emotion seeks a precise expression. If what I feel is not precise then should I call it love?" - --Jeanette Winterson, Writen on the Body _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:21:45 -0800 From: "losthwy" Subject: MM: Patty in DC Patty was great at The Bayou in DC! She played for about an hour and a half. She didn't sing "One Big Love" for some reason, but "Wiggly Fingers" and "Flaming Red" were the highlights of the show. She also sung Patsy Clines "Crazy" and a song by Aretha Franklin. I met her after the show and got her autograph. She looked tired but was VERY nice. Iodine was ok, they had one song called "He's got that monkey disease, that bump on his lip." Their music was pretty good, reminding me of early Nirvana. Not a lot in common with Patty's music in my opinion. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 21:16:58 EST From: CornflkGl@aol.com Subject: MM: re: chat room, t-shirts 1) Someone mentioned having a chat room for MMers. I made club on Yahoo a few months ago that has a chat room, message boards, email (you can mail everyone in the group at once), a calendar... some other stuff too. It hasen't gotten much traffic, but if people are interested in having a MM chat, we can definitely hold it there :) http://clubs.yahoo.comclubs/pattygriffin 2) As for the t-shirts.... someone mentioned having "Flaming Red" written on the front so that we would be "promoting" Patty's "coolest" album (whee, fun with quote marks). I think this is the wrong spirit for list t-shirts... while I think the shirt should be red with yellow writing to signify FR, we shouldn't have a mention of it on the shirts. One of the best things about list shirts is it makes it easier to spot other list members in crowds. Remember when Patty played at those Lilith Fairs ? Wouldn't it have been nice to be able to pick MMers out of huge crowds of people by their shirts ? The shirts aren't really advertising her, they're advertising us. Well, not advertising... I guess my point is that MM shirts shouldn't be a marketing move for Patty. If they let people ask us questions about her and get more people involved in her music, great, but the main point is for us, not her :) I'm still voting for "It's a mad mission/sign me up" and "mm-info@smoe.org" somewhere :). I also think it'd be cool if someone could create a kind of MM mascot ( EDAs have a Jewel Smoo, courtesy of Dennis Harris) that could go on the breast of the shirt. I'd also like to vote for long sleeves ! Rachel :D ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:52:37 EST From: JohnRN24@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: discussion Okay, the rules are: your favorite quote doesn't have to be FROM your favorite song. Though my quote was from Mary, I didn't make reference to that... sorry! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 00:00:47 EST From: JohnRN24@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: re: chat room, t-shirts WOO HOO! Rachael's idea = good ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 21:23:59 -0800 From: "Victoria Chenevey" Subject: Re: MM: discussion Rules??? There are rules????? ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #321 *********************************