From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #296 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Friday, October 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 296 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Philly Tickets [Scott Gould ] Re: MM: Patty at the Iron Horse ["Eric Southward" ] Re: MM: just a frustrated fan... [CornflkGl@aol.com] MM: frustrated fan [jarstar@iconn.net] Re: MM: just a frustrated fan... [Joshua Lilley ] MM: Re: frustrated fan [Wunnder@aol.com] Re: MM: just a frustrated fan... [cdaignea@bakerbotts.com] Re: MM: Re: frustrated fan [Joshua Lilley ] MM: MM- Patty in wonderful Sedona [Dana ] MM: Patty Guitar Tab Site [ASIS143@aol.com] MM: MM- Patty in wonderful Sedona [mhertz@sirius.com (Marc Hertz)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:12:24 -0700 From: Scott Gould Subject: MM: Philly Tickets I am selling 2 pairs of tickets to Patty's show at the Keswick Theater outside of Philly. One pair is in the 17th row, the other in the 18th row, but they are the same numbered seats, so they are right in front/behind each other. I paid $45 per pair, but will sell each pair for $40, or $75 for all four. Only selling because that night is now bad for me, and because Patty will be playing closer to my home on Oct. 21 (at the West Shore Theater in New Cumberland, PA). Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:21:21 -0500 From: "Eric Southward" Subject: Re: MM: Patty at the Iron Horse It's funny for me as well, because the first time I saw Patty I went alone also. None of my idiots friends would go with me. In fact, I walked out of the Shaun Colvin set because my "mission" was done. > > It's funny you said that the last time you saw Patty, you went > alone....Patty's the ONLY performer I would go to see alone. In > fact, she's the only performer I've EVER done that for. Her > concerts are so totally entertaining and absorbing who needs > company!! :D > > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: MM: Patty at the Iron Horse >Author: at internet >Date: 10/7/98 4:18 PM > > >Hi everybody ! I finally worked out my schedule so I could go see Patty next >weekend in Northampton. Of course, I have a mid term that day, and I have to >be back at school the next morning... but it doesn't really matter :). I'm >bringing one of my best friends to the show with me. I have 2 questions- >1) has anyone had problems getting tickets for this show, or heard of it being >sold out ? I usually order tickets with my CC, but I'm trying to cut down, so >I won't be able to go to the box office to buy tickets until friday or >saturday. > >2) who else will be there ? Most tables at the Horse are 4 seaters and I'd >rather sit with someone I might possibly know than noone at all. > >Little side story here... LAST time I saw Patty at the Iron Horse, I went >alone. I ended up sitting in the front "row", but I was with some journalist >from some newspaper that was writing a review of her. He was weird, and it was >scary :/ > >I'll see some of you soon ! > >Rachel :D > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:25:20 -0400 From: "chessa" Subject: MM: just a frustrated fan... i'm quite very very bothered and upset as a fan..becuase at the bowery ballroom. for patty, octob. 22, it's a 21 and older show. i am very pissed off becuase this is the 2nd chance i'm missing to see her becuase of my age. i think that the younger (teenage) fans who are "real" fans or just like the honestly and music of that particular artist shouldn't be denied the right to go see them, rather than the beer drinking cheese-heads that go take our place. i'm sorry if this offends anyone. but i was just posting something that i feel strongly about. peace. amanda "i've gotten used to crash and burn"--s.crow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:50:02 EDT From: CornflkGl@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: just a frustrated fan... In a message dated 10/8/98 3:28:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, chessa@computer.net writes: << i'm quite very very bothered and upset as a fan..becuase at the bowery ballroom. for patty, octob. 22, it's a 21 and older show. i am very pissed off becuase this is the 2nd chance i'm missing to see her becuase of my age. i think that the younger (teenage) fans who are "real" fans or just like the honestly and music of that particular artist shouldn't be denied the right to go see them, rather than the beer drinking cheese-heads that go take our place. i'm sorry if this offends anyone. but i was just posting something that i feel strongly about. peace. amanda >> this used to upset me a lot... and it probably will come up a couple more times ( and be even more frustrating), because I'm 20 and I miss seeing artists by a few months, but you have to realize this isn't Patty's choice. When you're a lesser known artist, you play in bars a lot. The bar doesn't pull in much $ from the act, so they make their money by selling alcohol. It sucks, but it's the way it is. If anything, take ito ut on the clubs themselves, not on Patty. Rachel :D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 16:03:25 -0400 From: jarstar@iconn.net Subject: MM: frustrated fan beer-drinking cheeseheads? I didn't know Patty and the Packers shared a fan base ;) - --Jane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 15:04:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Joshua Lilley Subject: Re: MM: just a frustrated fan... Amanda, It doesn't have anything to do with Patty, Amanda. It is all about the venue. If the venue knows that it can sell out the show, then they are not happy, cause selling out the show usually only pays for the cost of getting Patty there....maybe a little profit. The profits mostly come from the sale of alcohol. So, selling out the show is not a happy thing all the way, unless it is sold out and all over 21. The real profit in alot of venues is all centered on the mark up of alcohol...which is really profitable... Anyhow, I know your still pissed, but I just thought that a business/technical standpoint would,...hell, I'm not really sure why I wrote this.... But the 21 and up thing has nothing to do with Patty, obviously... How many years do you have to wait to see her? And are there any shows located near you where you might be able to go to and not have to be "legal"???? Anyways...sorry about the show problems.. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:44:24 EDT From: Wunnder@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: frustrated fan hi there mishers- i can completely relate to amanda being upset about the bowery show being 21+. i wanted to go to that one too, and i'll only be turning 17 that night. except for the fez (more on that in a second) every nyc venue patty plays lately has been 21+; the mercury lounge, where they are wickedly anal about age limits, and now it appears the bowery (which is actually somehow affiliated with the mercury) is the same way. while i understand that alcohol brings in the money, there ARE other solutions. witness the fez; they have a 2 drink minimum, regardless of age. so i can spend my $ on soda instead of beer, and the soda is just as overpriced. so i pay through the nose, but it's my choice! if i want to see my favorite artist i have the opportunity, even if it means forking over some cash. it would be ideal if clubs realized that younger fans are just as willing to spend money as those who can drink. even if it comes down to getting wristbands, or even charging an extra $5 or $10 cover for those under 21, many many many young people would do it. i know i certainly would. so now, unless patty starts playing all ages shows again, i can't see her for another 4 years. and i know it isn't patty's fault, but sometimes an artist DOES have a say. for instance, another nyc club, the bottom line, which is usually 21+, will often make a show all ages if the playing band knows they have a younger fan base and requests it. such is the case with the nields show there the same night patty is playing the bowery. so i guess i'll be there instead. i don't mean for this to sound bitchy, but it is VERY VERY frustrating to feel like as a fan, i'm being shut out from being able to see shows simply because i'm too young, and there's nothing that can be done. so my way of protesting is basically to patronize clubs that have an all ages policy (the fez, the wetlands, irving plaza) and let them know i appreciate it and also the bands that make all ages shows possible. if these clubs are successful, maybe places like the mercury lounge and the bowery will get a clue. jenna § ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Oct 98 16:00:01 -0600 From: cdaignea@bakerbotts.com Subject: Re: MM: just a frustrated fan... Hmmm....I've been called plenty of things, but never a "beer drinking cheese-head." And I'm not even from Wisconsin. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: MM: just a frustrated fan... Author: "chessa" at internet Date: 10/8/98 3:25 PM i'm quite very very bothered and upset as a fan..becuase at the bowery ballroom. for patty, octob. 22, it's a 21 and older show. i am very pissed off becuase this is the 2nd chance i'm missing to see her becuase of my age. i think that the younger (teenage) fans who are "real" fans or just like the honestly and music of that particular artist shouldn't be denied the right to go see them, rather than the beer drinking cheese-heads that go take our place. i'm sorry if this offends anyone. but i was just posting something that i feel strongly about. peace. amanda "i've gotten used to crash and burn"--s.crow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 17:41:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Joshua Lilley Subject: Re: MM: Re: frustrated fan Jenna You gave interesting insight into the problem. Having worked in clubs before, I know that the highest profit made on any single item in a food joint is the sodas. You can buy a box of the Coke syrup for a set price...I don't know what...but, let's say it is twenty dollars. Well you'll sale those cokes at 90cents or a dollar and after twenty drinks, it is all pure profit...and you'll get around sixty to one hundred drinks out of it...so $$$$$$$ is made. And that makes sense to have a higher cover charge for minors, cause I know I would definitely pay a hight price if I had to. And the two drink minimum is also a great idea that works and satisfies many club owners...But after that...you start to get into kind of difficult theories on clientele and the image your venue promotes. Some venues, even if it would support short term profit for a show, do not want minors because they are busy marketing to an older crowd...it only takes a few people recalling that they saw a bunch of teenagers at the club, even if it was a concert night, to deter them and thier associates from going there again. It's pretty crazy... But anyhow...If I owned a club, I definitely go with the ideas that you have investigated at your favorite venues... jkl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:53:10 -0400 From: Dana Subject: MM: MM- Patty in wonderful Sedona Hi all, - - just got back at noon today after a week in Arizona- to the leaves starting to turn here in CT. The concert at Verde Valley School was just a natural high- the whole day was so perfect- including Patty who I was really rooting for the crowd {which I suspected mostly did not know her} to receive her well. She did get a standing ovation and she came back on and sang my favorite- Mary -which I had been calling out for- maybe she sang it for me? She started out blazing with Flaming Red and went right into Falling Down and on thru Tony, Change, Poor Man's House, Sweet Lorraine, Mad Mission, Crazy and even some song I never heard before- something Flower? I am not at all sure of the name, but it was good. Her hair was wild and beautifully auburn- she wore a black sleeveless shirt and a rose pink long skirt with high black boots- She looks so intense when she is singing, but when she puts on that smile she is so beautiful! The band was not there altho she did have one backup player with her. I was expecting the whole band, and so felt treated to get another acoustic set which I thought was a thing of the past! I like the band too- but acoustic is the way I love Patty's songs. We were sitting right up in the very front row of 5000 people and of course I had to jump up after every single song to cheer- I was not alone, tho. Jen, were you there? I was hoping to somehow bump into you. My girls, Jayne and Jaime were there and altho they spent the rest of the concert up in the back in the shade while Jayne painted a picture of the rock formations, they both came down to my front blanket for Patty. When Patty mentioned Lee's shirt, she said "Lee, she, or he" and I said "She" and pointed back a couple of rows to Lee, and Patty found her and smiled. I have been raving off and on to the Jackson list about Patty for the past year, so I was happy to have the bunch there- about 40 of us!- see her in person. The rest of the concert was also great- Jackson was in great form- his voice strong- Mark Cohn actually sang Ellis Island for me after I asked for it and even thanked me for my request! I never realized that performers might like requests, I thought we were being pesty, but I definitely got the impression that it meant a lot to him to know that one person in the audience knew some of his work and wanted to hear something from his last album. So, then I had to ask for True Companion, which he also did as an encore. Venice was a wonderful group- tight harmony and upbeat songs- they look like such nice guys and have a great time up there- loved them! They did beautiful backup for Jackson on For A Dancer- Crosby Stills and Nash flew all night from Florida to make it and were the last act- with Southern Cross as the full moon came up over the land form called the Seven Warriors by the students of the Verde Valley School. David Crosby actually looked at me and met my eyes and smiled!!! Of course, by that time I was the central person in the front row of the whole audience about 15 feet away from him - he could not miss me singing and cheering along! So cool! Well, we also rode horses at sundown by the full moon in the Red Rocks state park {good thing those horses knew where they were going- I could barely walk when I got off!}, and flew in a 4 seater plane around Sedona, and walked the rim of the Grand Canyon for about 3-4 hrs, and had campfires by Oak Creek and froze our butts off in our tent. We went to all 4 vortexes in Sedona- Boynton Vortex being a several hr walk thru the woods into this incredible canyon with these rusty orange colored walls rising up like skyscrapers all around us. We flew home at 11:30 PM and I am beat, so that is enough for now. Thank you Patty for going to Sedona- and she told me at Mam Kin that she was going- I was so psyched! Maybe I will see some of you Tuesday and Wednesday this week at at Iron Horse and Paradise! I would think about seeing her at Providence, but don't have tickets and don't know anything about where to go in Providence, so maybe I will exercise a little self control that day and stay home. See you, Dana ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:44:05 EDT From: ASIS143@aol.com Subject: MM: Patty Guitar Tab Site hi everyone! i posted before about the tab update list and so far there are only about 10 people subscribed so im going to continue to post to mad-mission for a little while.. but if you want to subscribe go here: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/patty-tab-updates or you can go to the site and subscribe from there :) so anyway, for the update: in the last couple days i've added a tab for long ride home and a revised version of forgiveness... i'm still wondering what everyone thinks about keeping the txt and html options..im leaning towards getting rid of the txt versions, they are beginning to seem pointless... and i also wanted to know if anyone could help me with some ideas about getting the site listed on yahoo.. i think thats all right now. thanks a bunch, kate the patty griffin guitar tab archive ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 21:03:07 -1000 From: mhertz@sirius.com (Marc Hertz) Subject: MM: MM- Patty in wonderful Sedona I just wanted to comment on the two great Sedona reviews I've read so far, making me so freaking jealous that I didn't fly my butt up there, but that's not the point. I just love reading the reviews from people who are so passionate about the experiences themselves, and it's obvious that Patty herself has so much to do with this (I know, I'm being Captain Obvious here). Even if I'm not able to go to these shows, I can still feel just the tiniest bit ilke I was there and experiencing Patty in all her splendor. I'm still pinching myself over having FINALLY seen her in July at the Fillmore, because I'd been waiting since I first heard LWG in June of '96 (has it only been two-plus years?), and meeting her afterwards, getting to talk with her without making a complete ass out of myself, as well as getting her to sign my copy of FR. What an experience. And meeting some other fans while we waited outside her tour bus was also very cool. I like the whole vibe this list has, because we seem like a really good group of people who appreciate good music and think Patty kicks ass, pure and simple. I've managed to convert a few people over to Patty myself, and though they haven't joined the list, they're loving her music and hopefully spreading the good word about her. I've digressed (it happens), but reading those reviews makes me itch to have Patty come back to San Francisco, which she had said she was hopeful of, although I realize she doesn't necessarily have contol over that. I guess I just want those people who write those glowing (and wonderfully descriptive) reviews to know that there's definitely one person out there who loves to read them. Keep on keeping on. Marc ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #296 *********************************