From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #260 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Friday, September 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 260 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #259 [LeShawnte@aol.com] MM: A review of Flaming Red [NGaccount@webtv.net] RE: MM: Guitarists [Stevshep2@aol.com] MM: you decided [hooligan ] MM: Re: Patty On World Cafe [Jeff Dunnam ] MM: Playing music - getting together ["Amy Emerman" ] MM: Sense of humor? (Bill clinton) [Tim Burke ] Re: MM: Re: Patty On World Cafe [Jeff Dunnam ] MM: RE: mad-mission-digest V2 #259 [HAW3065@ACS.TAMU.EDU] MM: Flaming Red review [Eric ] MM: Patty Griffin in DC? [cdaignea@bakerbotts.com] MM: RE: Flaming Red review [Tim Blackburn ] Re: MM: Re: Patty On World Cafe [EMSTER68@aol.com] MM: Booking information [Jason Kreuter ] MM: Re: World Cafe [Gidget10@aol.com] MM: : World Cafe [Huricane74@aol.com] MM: oops.. [Gidget10@aol.com] MM: review:FR [SuziSimi@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:50:11 EDT From: LeShawnte@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #259 In a message dated 98-09-03 01:36:36 EDT, you write: << How many Mishers out there play guitar? How many have Powow or ICQ? How many would like to hook up with other musicians? >> Yes, No, Yes!! shawnte' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:33:08 -0400 (EDT) From: NGaccount@webtv.net Subject: MM: A review of Flaming Red I read this review in a local paper this morning. Interesting. Unfortunately, this review will not be pleasing to all here. But, there are some others of us that will tend to agree with this review. Though I do not agree that FR is a disaster, I do tend to agree with most everything else. Sorry. :-( "I" was turned on to Patty by LWG, and turned off to her by FR. FLAMING RED PATTY GRIFFIN On it's face, nothing about "Flaming Red" is much different from 100 or so other modern rock albums of the past several years. That's what makes it such a disaster. Patty Griffin's debut, "Living with Ghosts," was an astonishingly powerful album, breathtaking, heartbreaking and raw. When A&M released it in 1996, the story put out by the company was that she had recorded a regular rock album, then everybody involved decided that her demo tapes - - recorded solo - were just so much better, so they released them instead. With "Flaming Red," Griffin seems to have made the album everyone was so happy about NOT making last time. Oh, there are a few songs that might clue you in to the fact that Griffin is special, but not one of them compares favorably with anything from "Living With Ghosts" and not one of them wouldn't sound better performed by just Griffin with her guitar. Instead, "Flaming Red" sounds like a primer on Modern Rock Production. Maybe this who Griffin is; maybe "Living With Ghosts" was the aberration and the plan all along was to sound like everybody else. If so, the goal's been accomplished. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:39:33 EDT From: Stevshep2@aol.com Subject: RE: MM: Guitarists I play. I have a Taylor 614c (maple back and sides with cutaway). Workin' at picking up a few Patty tunes. steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:47:30 -0700 (PDT) From: hooligan Subject: MM: you decided so what's the deal with this song - did she used to play it out live? is it really old? has anyone heard her played it recently? tia, mj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 10:52:33 -0500 From: Jeff Dunnam Subject: MM: Re: Patty On World Cafe Hey mishers. I believe that Patty will be on World Cafe today with the band so check the World Cafe site (sorry don't have it handy) for showtimes in your area. It is how, this 40 yr old keeps up with new music. Highly recommended. :) Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 09:17:26 PDT From: "Amy Emerman" Subject: MM: Playing music - getting together I would love to--I play guitar, and sing and play several of Patty's songs off LWG. I would love to get together with other musicians, for informal improv hanging out and playing music. I am in New York City. Anyone else from this area who would like to organize some kind of music/party guitar/singing maybe eating and drinking thing? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 07:25:14 -0400 From: Tim Burke Subject: MM: Sense of humor? (Bill clinton) At 01:35 AM 9/3/98 -0400, "Stephen V. Gilmore" said with great fervor... - ->Subject: MM: Bill Clinton and the Mad Mission list - -> - ->Now that you've read this far and haven't deleted this post, let me offer - ->all mishers a sincere apology. Apparently, you don't appreciate my - ->attempt at making humor about Bill Clinton out of an earlier post from a - ->roommmate of a misher. Hmm I love Bill Clinton but I thought it was funny. Maybe some mad-mishers need to get a bit of a sense of humor (?) Really folks I've noticed a lot of us are very opinionated which is cool but as I've noticed this week at work in Residence Life, sometimes the people most radical are also really closed-minded to anyone else's viewpoint than theirs. Not saying anyone here is like that, but I guess it just makes me appreciate my own open (empty? ;) ) mind. Lighten up folks! Have some fun. :D - -tim 'burkeman' - ------------------------------------- Tim Burke tb340297@ohiou.edu "There's no telling I was so confused I try but I can't help you choose..." - ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 14:21:42 -0500 From: Jeff Dunnam Subject: Re: MM: Re: Patty On World Cafe It is a radio show that comes out of WXPN in Philly hosted by David Dye. I just listened to it and it was a live Patty tape. She played Wigglely, Carry Me, Change, OBL, and Mary. All you guys and gals who've actually gotten to see her, I am very jealous! She kicked ass. The hair on my arm actually stood up I was so blown away. After hearing her open with Wigglely, I am with those who think that should be the next single. Live, the band definitely emphasized the Foxy Lady alliteration. Jeez, what a voice! I am not sure, but there may be a RealAudio archive at the World Cafe site. Keep your fingers crossed. Jeff rainswept@nwu.edu wrote: > Is this a webcast or something? > > On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Jeff Dunnam wrote: > > > Hey mishers. > > > > I believe that Patty will be on World Cafe today with the band so > check > > the World Cafe site (sorry don't have it handy) for showtimes in > your > > area. It is how, this 40 yr old keeps up with new music. Highly > > recommended. :) Jeff > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > "You chose a giant step/Caught your eye/Guaranteed sweetness/That you > thought broken/And you were not fine..." > > ---Guided By Voices ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:45:55 -0500 From: HAW3065@ACS.TAMU.EDU Subject: MM: RE: mad-mission-digest V2 #259 Does anyone have any info about the Sep. 24 show in Ft. Worth? Ticket? Time ? Etc...? Heather ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 16:49:40 -0700 From: Eric Subject: MM: Flaming Red review .....I" was turned on to Patty by LWG, and turned off to her by FR. - - That statement and that review is unfortunate. While i appreciate that LWG was very appealing to those that heard it.....not enough people heard it. They didn't hear it because it was not, according to todays commercial, production standards, 'radio friendly' . I think Flaming Red is an excellent piece of work that does a good job at bridging the gap from LWG to something more 'radio friendly'. It is Patty all the way, and with any luck it will get the airplay deserved & needed for Patty to carry on recording. I think that Patty would not have this opportunity if she continued recording solo as on LWG. There are 'critical successes' and commercial successes. The recording industry is a business.....if you don't sell records, you get dropped from the label. They don't really care what the critics say. They think about sales figures. It may be nice you know, to change the face of what radio considers 'playable'. Nice, but not terribly realistic. Clearly, Patty w/ band can reach out and touch more people. I think most here love the new work for what it is. For certain critics, perhaps it is a sellout. For me, it is a growth towards more radio and more albums. Bye, Eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 98 16:51:05 -0600 From: cdaignea@bakerbotts.com Subject: MM: Patty Griffin in DC? Does anyone know of any upcoming shows (either headlining or backup) in the DC/Baltimore area? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:58:25 -0600 From: Tim Blackburn Subject: MM: RE: Flaming Red review I totally agree!!! I think that her second album is better. Personally for me the songs mean a lot more to me and I think she sounds better with a band than without. Now don't get me wrong LWG wasn't good I just think that this one is better and can reach a lot more people. Also I've never have heard anyone that sounds even close to her. She has her own style and will continue to as long as people but her albums. So in other words those critics have no idea what their talking about. Just my oppinion Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric [SMTP:mainst@microtec.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 5:50 PM > To: Mad-MISsION@smoe.org > Subject: MM: Flaming Red review > > .....I" was turned on to Patty by LWG, and turned off to her by FR. > > - That statement and that review is unfortunate. While i appreciate that > LWG was very appealing to those that heard it.....not enough people heard > it. They didn't hear it because it was not, according to > todays commercial, production standards, 'radio friendly' . > I think Flaming Red is an excellent piece of work that does a good job at > bridging the gap from LWG to > something more 'radio friendly'. It is Patty all the way, and with any > luck > it will get the airplay deserved & needed for Patty to carry on recording. > > I think that Patty would not have this opportunity if she continued > recording solo as on LWG. > There are 'critical successes' and commercial successes. The recording > industry is a business.....if you don't sell records, you get dropped from > the label. They don't really care what the critics say. They think about > sales figures. > It may be nice you know, to change the face of what radio considers > 'playable'. Nice, but not terribly realistic. > Clearly, Patty w/ band can reach out and touch more people. > > I think most here love the new work for what it is. For certain critics, > perhaps it is a sellout. > For me, it is a growth towards more radio and more albums. > > > Bye, > Eric > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:19:52 EDT From: EMSTER68@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: Patty On World Cafe Does anyone have the World Cafe address???? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 18:40:51 -0400 From: Jason Kreuter Subject: MM: Booking information Hi all, Does anyone know who I should call to book Patty Griffin to play a show at Duke? Phone numbers would be appreciated...:) Thanks, Jason ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:00:19 EDT From: Gidget10@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: World Cafe The address for the World Cafe is : WXPN World Cafe c/o David Dye 3905 Spruce Street Phila, Pa 19104 The show featuring live clips from Singer/Songwriter weekend will be rebroadcasted on Monday night at 7:00. They played about 5 of Patty's songs. Listen also for Mary Arden Collins. They only play one song from her set but it sounded great! Hope to see some of you on October 15! Peace, Kristen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:13:44 EDT From: Huricane74@aol.com Subject: MM: : World Cafe I was fortunate enough to attend they singer/songwriter festival and I can't wait for the re-broadcast Monday!! To all of you that weren't there..Mary Arden Collins and Patty were without a doubt the 2 highlights of the day!! I had never heard Mary before, but she was wonderful!! After her set, I had to buy her Cd, and many other people were also. If you get the chance definately check her out!! Patty just Rocked that day!! It was my 5th time seeing her and possibly my favorite show of them all!! I am SO psyched for October 15th when I get to see her headline for the FIRST TIME!!..I'm practically counting down the hours already... I guess I'll have to just wait for the XPN show Monday for now. Take Care everyone!! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:39:54 EDT From: Gidget10@aol.com Subject: MM: oops.. Sorry about giving out the snail mail address. I don't know what I was thinking Well, now everyone has it in case you ever need it :) The web address is www.wxpn.org Kristen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:02:19 EDT From: SuziSimi@aol.com Subject: MM: review:FR Hello everyone! I'm new to your list,but old (48) to the music of Patty Griffin. I loved LWG..she put her energy and soul into each song. When I purchased FR...it had some really great songs as well...but the ones that I didn't like had too much noise..her band. Bob Dylan ran into the same thing in 1966 when I heard him play in Providence,R.I. He put away his acoustic guitar and picked up an electric. Many in the audience jeered him or got up an left. At least we got to hear both sides and could choose for ourselves. Now his music is a part of history....and hopefully Patty Griffen's will be too. Suzi ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #260 *********************************