From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #253 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Saturday, August 29 1998 Volume 02 : Number 253 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Foxy Lady ["Perlman, Judith" ] Re: MM: Re: Management [Praocak@aol.com] MM: Patty's Management ["Perlman, Judith" ] Re: MM: Re: Management ["Larry S. Greenfield" ] MM: RE: Re: PG and Edwin McCain tour [Mark Cicero ] MM: MM- YES! [Fwd: JB sedona line-up] [dana ] MM: Patty Fitting In ["C. Soudah" ] MM: Management [Eric ] Re: MM: Re: Management [JessBartn@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:03:59 -0400 From: "Perlman, Judith" Subject: MM: Foxy Lady I can't believe that in all the discussion of this question, no one has said that the Jimi Hendrix riff from "Foxy Lady" is deliberate! Of course it is. This is done all the time by other artists; it's usually an "homage" (as in films) and/or a kind of joky reference. If you think about the title "Foxy Lady" and then listen to the lyrics that open "Wiggley Fingers" it fits, and it's funny. Approx.: "I'll never be sad, I'll never be homely, I'll never be [something?] and I'll never be lonely." Why won't she? Because she's a foxy lady! I know all the smart people on this list can think of many other examples. Right now, after an insomniac night, all I can think of is Sting quoting himself in "Love is the Seventh Wave" by singing "It's a big enough umbrella, but it's always me that's getting wet." From "Everything she does is Magic." And David Bowie in "Young Americans" - "I heard the news today oh boy" - which we were just talking about. I'd love to hear other examples. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:43:00 EDT From: Praocak@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: Management In a message dated 8/27/98 06:21:06 PM CDT, CornflkGl@aol.com writes: > As for the "curt responses", they don't suprise me. We have to remember that > Patty's shy. All the more reason why she should have management that is able to deal with the public in ways other than "curtly." I have witnessed several exchanges between Patty's management and fans and have found her managers to be consistently rude, evasive, snotty, and yes, curt. I'm not talking about Patty herself; she has always been gracious, if reserved, in my experience. I understand that she is shy, and even if she weren't, I would respect her privacy and understand the desire to escape to a nice quiet, stress-free dressing room after a show. I don't think her management owes the fans anything either. But I do think if they were *smart* they wouldn't be burning the early fans, who often turn out to be not only the most loyal and committed, but the ones who do all the grass-roots promotion before the record companies are willing to pay for real promotion. Maybe I should just accept the sad truth that above all, the music business is driven by money, and that means that if her managers don't want to treat the fans with respect, they don't have to. There will always be another fan who doesn't expect to be treated like a real person, and whose money is just as good as mine. Shelley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:02:01 -0400 From: "Perlman, Judith" Subject: MM: Patty's Management I don't know if we're talking about the same thing here, but at the Bowery Ballroom, after the show, I went up to the side door. I wasn't even intending to meet Patty, but rather to give something to someone to give to her. Not only did the guy (security?) controlling the door call someone down to take it from me, so that it would be sure to get to her, but the man who accepted it from me (sorry, I don't know his name or what he was) said he'd take it, but didn't I want to wait to give it to Patty in person? That she'd be coming down in 10 minutes or so. I didn't want to wait, because I felt I didn't have much to say to Patty that I hadn't said to her in February. In the end, I gave it to her lead guitarist, Doug Lancio. Doug smiled and was very gracious about it. And the bassist hung around and told me Doug was reliable and that he'd remind Doug to give it to her. I expected to meet resistance, and instead I met encouragement to stay to talk to her. Everyone was very nice. Judy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:55:29 -0700 From: "Larry S. Greenfield" Subject: Re: MM: Re: Management I feel that I should add my own statement here, as I've had recent dealings with Patty and her management in Vancouver, BC, Los Angeles, CA, and Santa Barbara, all over the past month or so. My experience has been that her manager Mike and her booking agent Shelley have been accommodating in the extreme. Mike even intervened with a snooty A&M records jacka$$ to try to help me get permission to record the Vancouver show (which didn't work, but that's a different story). I was welcomed back stage in L.A., and Patty was gracious (albeit, of course, shy) each time. I HAVE had a few minor problems with one of her sound set-up guys, although I think that his intentions were good, as he was trying to protect Patty from being overwhelmed with photos, etc., during her performances. I'm wondering if her head road sound guy has been replaced, as the reports on the band and vocal mix seem to be better for the recent Boston and New York shows than what I experienced for the early part of the band tour. The sound was AWFUL at the Santa Barbara show, and not much better at the Vancouver and at the Troubadour and House of Blues (L.A.) shows (despite great performances by everyone). There was painful distortion in almost every bar of music, even when Patty sang acapello or with only her acoustic guitar. I wondered then if he's somebody's relative? Anybody know? - -=-Larry-=- Praocak@aol.com wrote: > I have witnessed several exchanges > between Patty's management and fans and have found her managers to be > consistently rude, evasive, snotty, and yes, curt. I'm not talking about > Patty herself; she has always been gracious, if reserved, in my experience. > Shelley > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:56:45 -0500 From: Mark Cicero Subject: MM: RE: Re: PG and Edwin McCain tour I can only speak on the 9-18 show in Nashville,Tn. You will need to call your local concert venue to find out particlars relitive to any other date. Regards, Mark Nashville,TN - -----Original Message----- From: "Donsem@ concentric.net" @SMTP () Sent: Thursday, August 27, 1998 6:39 PM To: mad-mission@ smoe.org@SMTP Subject: MM: Re: PG and Edwin McCain tour *** TFS Evaluation Copy of module : Novell GroupWise *** Scott S. Antall wrote: > Does this mean that PG has cancelled all dates with Edwin McCain? > (Specifically, I am interested in the Charlottesville, VA show) > > >I just found out today that Patty is no longer the opening act for the > >Sept 18th, Edwin McCain show at 328 Performance Hall in Nashville, TN. Oh, please no. I just saw that date and just subscribed to the list. I was going to confirm the c'vlle date because they're spelling it Patti. That show is the next day (9/19). Maybe she cancelled Nashville show she could visit Monticello. :-) So, I'm a new list member. Originally from Illinois. A friend kept telling me to buy LwG and I did and I love it. don - -- And where does magic come from? I think magic's in the learning. 'Cause now when Christians sit with Pagans, only pumpkin pies are burning. -- The Christians and the Pagans, Dar Williams Don Semmens; Richmond, VA; donsem@concentric.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:15:37 -0400 From: dana Subject: MM: MM- YES! [Fwd: JB sedona line-up] Jill Nishball wrote: > > {#} > {#} > Hey every(wo)man... > > Just now got this message from Roxanne and it doesn't look like she posted it to > the list, so I guess I'll be the blabbermouth here! I'm probably not the first > person to shout outloud about it either. BUTTTTTTT, since i get the digest > version and I don;t know what you guys have talked about all day yet, I'll do it > anyway! ;-) > > The Sedona lineup is: > > Jackson > Mark Cohn > Patty Griffin > Venice > Bruce Cockburn > John Trudell > > Yea!!!! I'm excited! Now, I just gotta call and purchase those tickets! > > jill > - > To unsubscr!be from the list, send email to majordomo@angus.mystery.com > No subject, and in the body put unsubscr!be everyman or unsubscr!be > everyman-digest, correctly spelled of course :) > {#} Here is the first announcemment from the Jackson Browne list for the lineup at the Sedona concert Oct 4- Patty is on it! Now I really am psyched, altho I know it would have been good anyway! If anyone from this list is interested in making it to Sedona, Arizona for this all day outdoor concert in a beautiful valley, let me know privately and I will tell you about it. Tickets are $30 and it is a benefit for the Indian scholarship fund for the Verde Valley School. I went last year and it was a highlight of my life, the whole four days that I spent out there. Airfare is cheaper if purchased 30 days ahead of time, so don't delay if you are interested. I am staying a week this time and bringing my two 21 yr old daughters who want to go camping out there and see Grand Canyon, about two hrs north of Sedona while we are out there. YES!!!!!! Dana ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:13:03 -0800 From: "C. Soudah" Subject: MM: Patty Fitting In Hi all, I appreciate and am encouraged by everyone's hope and confidence that Patty will be "a hit" with radio listeners and general mainstream audiences. I suppose I'm a bit too pessimistic. I don't know, and I hope I'm wrong, that people out there will appreciate Patty's passion, strength, and storytelling. That partly explains why LWG wasn't and couldn't enjoy success to the extent I'd hoped. She's serious, at times heart-wrenching, with something of a southern-bluesy feel to the words and music. I don't know what the public wants. It's not as if they don't appreciate heart-wrenching love songs (Celine Dion, yadayada). I don't know. Can't figure it out. LWG is brilliant in so many ways already describes, and I shall not repeat them all. I've worn it out endlessly and completely, know every lyric, the pauses, the highs, the lows, the in-betweens. Very few albums in my book share that kind of attention. Very few artists have this talent. Yet, unfortunately for them, but maybe fortunately for us, they'll rarely reach or appeal to the masses. Radio certainly seems to stick to a recipe and decides what's hot for us through painful repetition and selectivity. I must say i've been surprised, though: Dave Matthews Band, Joan Osborne, Barenaked Ladies, all artists that don't neatly fit a package or format, and haven't compromised unique musical styles to get air time and reach large audiences. Radio came to them, not the other way around. I wish the same for P.G. I don't think she's compromised anyting with FR. Just trying to make sense of this. C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:41:18 -0700 From: Eric Subject: MM: Management Hi, I was surprised to read some negative opinions regarding Patty's Management. I knew Patty and Michael in Boston several years prior to her record deal. I knew Patty better, yet I recall Michael as having been a rather nice, bright, descent guy. I would imagine he is still very nice. Patty was also very nice & yes, shy. It was a very endearing quality coming from someone with so much natural talent. She worked VERY hard on her music. It was a joy to hear her practice, and practice, and practice. No microphone, no effects and still, what a voice! Breathtaking really. Like many of us, they have both been in the business for years, honing their respective crafts. They both deserve the success. Bye, Eric Pickel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:12:40 EDT From: JessBartn@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: Management <> I think that people need to realize that patty can't possibly please everyone all of the time. She is getting more popular than ever before and everyone wants a piece of her. How can one person give out that much attention and STILL put on a fabulous show? I suppose there comes a time in an up and coming artists career where they have to disappoint people occasionally... I for one have never seen her or Mike Baker act rude or "curt" to anyone. We want Patty to make incredible music and sing like an angel...she's doing that for us with great success. Jess ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #253 *********************************