From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #241 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Tuesday, August 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 241 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: signing off ["Bill Diekmann" ] MM: Guess they still haven't worked out the sound mix... =P ["Kunkel, Ro] MM: Flaming Red [Lisa Gallo ] MM: flaming red [Calleva110@aol.com] Re: MM: Guess they still haven't worked out the sound mix... =P [Cornfl] MM: MaMa gathering [LeShawnte@aol.com] MM: Re: Flaming [Stevshep2@aol.com] MM: Patty LIVE ["C. Soudah" ] MM: Emmylou Back-up [DOSHIA98@aol.com] MM: Voice Lessons (Non Patty Related) [Chris Kornmann ] MM: NPC: Details of the Living Room Tour in Los Angeles, 8/22 [deanorez@] MM: BAND TOO LOUD ! [Mark Cicero ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:47:44 -0500 From: "Bill Diekmann" Subject: MM: signing off Well, I've been kicking this idea around for a couple days and I think the time has come. I'm signing off the list. I signed on as a big fan of LWG. FR, while I like a few songs, just doesn't do much for me. I haven't listened to it for a few weeks now and doubt I'll be pulling it out anytime soon. I still have a lot of faith in what the future holds for Pattys music and will still probably pick up her upcoming releases, but as of now, I can't say I'm a huge fan of what she's doing. Anyway, just wanted to say bye-bye. I've enjoyed some of our spirited discussions. I appreciate some of the tips I've gotten on other artists, and also appreciate some of the musical knowledge you've shared.(Mimi) Keep the list strong and spread the word about Patty so that others will get the same pleasure most of you guys get from her. There are many, many types of music I absolutely despise, but I rejoice in the fact that they bring pleasure to many. I'll stay logged on for another day or two so my buddies can say goodbye and so others can question my wisdom. Peace Bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:19:32 -0400 From: "Kunkel, Robert G" Subject: MM: Guess they still haven't worked out the sound mix... =P A quote from a post on the Edwin McCain Band list: >The Jackson show rocked! I enjoyed Patti Griffin's set much more than >Wednesday's show in Birmingham. It's hard to understand her vocals, her band >drowns her out way too much. Now onto EMB's set... At least it sounds like she may be winning some new fans... =) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 05:30:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Lisa Gallo Subject: MM: Flaming Red Hey, all! I'm new to the list, but I have no problem putting my two cents in... I actually met Patty a few years ago while she was doing the Borders tour with Billy Mann and Jann Arden. I helped run the show at Borders Boston, and I worked their gig at the Paradise that night. I couldn't believe such an amazing sound could come from such a tiny woman! But I instantly fell in love with "Living With Ghosts" (especially "Moses" - - personal reasons - and "Every Little Bit" because I can wail right along with her!). And she and Billy did a duet on "Tears of a Clown" that was absolutely incredible. I will never forget it! I have to admit I was a little disappointed in "Flaming Red" because it doesn't capture her fire. On LWG, it was just her and her guitar, so there was no clutter and the sound was pure. When you hear her live, she's raw and vibrant. I think FR just has too much stuff on it. It's not the songs themselves, because when I hear her do the stuff live, I get lost in the music, but that doesn't happen when I listen to the CD. I'm going to see her at Mama Kin in Boston tomorrow (Wednesday) night, so I'll let you know how the show was! Thanks for listening. Lisa _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:31:10 EDT From: Calleva110@aol.com Subject: MM: flaming red flaming red sounds like a&m's attempt to commercialize her music a bit. the songs are still beautiful, and i do love the album, but it doesn't have the magic of LWG, does it? anyway, hi, i'm new to the mailing list. going to see patty tonight at the bowery ballroom in nyc. i'll let you know how it goes. nice to meet everyone. - --danielle. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:54:29 EDT From: CornflkGl@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Guess they still haven't worked out the sound mix... =P In a message dated 8/18/98 8:21:33 AM, someone wrote: <> Is it just me, or are her vocals ALWAYS hard to understand ? Rachel :D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:59:36 EDT From: LeShawnte@aol.com Subject: MM: MaMa gathering Am i correct in thinkin' it's Boston Beerworks the missioners are meeting at?? And do you have to be 21, if so i gotta break out the fake :) Unfortunately i think i may be going solo.... none of my frineds have ever heard of Patty and they sure are stubborn...i got an extra ticket (i know short notice), but if anyone's interested lemme know i'll give it to ya at a reduced price. See y'all, Shawnte' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:25:21 EDT From: Stevshep2@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: Flaming > I still consider LWG my favorite, but this one is pretty damn close. Doshia, a few more turns and you won't know which you like best. The both just flat kick butt. steven ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:52:44 -0800 From: "C. Soudah" Subject: MM: Patty LIVE Hello everyone. I'm new to the Griffin neighborhood. In response to Patty's voice drowned out during her live shows: I had a similar experience here at the Troubadour in L.A., where she rarely appears. We were thrilled and excited to finally see her. We saw her, that wasn't the problem. Hearing her was a different matter. Her band was too loud, too overpowering. And as powerful as her voice is, it was a battle between her and the 5 guys behind her throughout the show. Her voice is an amazing instrument alone, and I think that's why so many of us adore Living with Ghosts. She didn't need the help. Well she has it now, and on this new album, it actually isn't bad at all. She still has amazing songwriting abilities, a passionate spirit, and a skilled voice. Carol ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:36:54 EDT From: DOSHIA98@aol.com Subject: MM: Emmylou Back-up Alright, this is my question. On Flaming Red I see that Emmylou Harris contributed some background vocals. I can make out her voice on Mary, does anyone know what other songs she does on the album, if any? Doshia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:24:16 -0400 From: Chris Kornmann Subject: MM: Voice Lessons (Non Patty Related) Joy Askew is giving a series of workshops in NYC on singing / harmony / the voice / technique and songs starting at the end of August. Those interested in attending can E-mail her at JAskew96@aol.com to find out further details. Space is limited and the workshops will be mostly participatory. Also, she is playing a gig this Saturday in New York City. Hope to see you there. Joy Askew Saturday, August 22 The Living Room 84 Stanton Street (corner of Stanton & Allen) 8:30 pm FREE! Chris Kornmann Art Director CMJ New Music Report (516) 498-3137 chrisk@cmj.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:59:05 -0700 From: deanorez@juno.com Subject: MM: NPC: Details of the Living Room Tour in Los Angeles, 8/22 Hello, everyone! Many of you will receive this more than once and, for that, I apologize... I'm announcing a Living Room Tour in Los Angeles on 8/22, at around 6pm. If you are not familiar with the concept of the LRT, go to . To make it easier, though, I'll explain in small detail. LRTs originated from the EDAs (Everyday Angels), Jewel's Internet-based mailing list although they have really nothing to do with her -- which, I know, some of you are relieved of. They really have much more to do with music appreciation in probably the most intimate of venues -- the home. Recently, these LRTs have gained national media exposure from SLAMM (Issue #63) and Rolling Stone Magazines -- as well as MTV Online. Here are the details... When: Saturday August 22, 1998; 6pm-TBD Where: the home of Larry Greenfield Confirmed Performers: Aife Wells, Beth Waters, Abby Travis, Pamela Goodchild, Essey Jensen, and Mary Dolan Unconfirmed Performers: Susan James, Cindy Wasserman, and Marcella Detroit Patronage: Please RSVP to Larry Greenfield or myself as soon as possible. We encourage you to bring your friends and family. Admission is a minimum $10/person which will be divided evenly between the artists. Additional donations are welcome and would be appreciated. Other Information: This will be a very casual gathering of music lovers, music professionals, and, of course, musicians. There is obviously no dress code but it is recommended that you bring warm clothing as this event is being held outdoors and will extend on through the night. Food & drink will be available. CD giveaways will also be taking place. * These artists (with the exception of Marcella Detroit) have confirmed to be attending the show and have expressed interest in future LRTs in Los Angeles. At this time, however, they have not decided on if they will perform. Marcella Detroit was approached to participate with Pamela Goodchild but no confirmation has been given to us at this time. Artist Information AIFE WELLS BIO: Aife (pronounced EE-VA) Wells is a true veteran of the Los Angeles music scene. Having grown up in Laurel Canyon right above the Sunset Strip with musician parents, you could say music is in her blood. Ever since she picked up a guitar as a teenager she has been setting ears afire with her blend of melody, emotion and heartfelt honesty. Searching for an opinion of Aife's talent as a singer/songwriter? Look no further than to the legendary Iggy Pop for a glowing reference. Once Iggy saw Aife's former band, MS. 45, he immediately offered them the opening slot on his tour. Aife's hook-laden melodies, combined with her alluring stage presence, caused Mr. Pop to stop in his tracks and take notice of this star on the rise. Since MS.45 has disbanded, Aife is now performing solo around the city to critical acclaim. Her trademark smooth and sultry vocals delve into the raw emotional territory of loneliness and longing. Dealing with the deaths of her parents continues to be a musical inspiration for Aife. Such source material infuses her music with an unmistakable sincerity reminiscent of Neil Young or Elliot Smith, both of which she credits as major influences. One listen proves that Aife is able to strike that rare balance between the melancholy forlornness of lost love and the hopefulness and joy that keeps you coming back for more. - ---- I don't know how many times I've told this story but those of you who know it can continue on. I discovered Aife when she opened for Mary Lou Lord last October at Spaceland in Silverlake, CA. I was a little auspicious considering her onstage demeanor (stereotypical burnt-out Hollywood ingenue) and that the opening act, Cecil Seaskull (formerly of Nerdy Girl), was less than extraordinary. But as soon as her voice hit the mic I was overcome with so much emotion I could hardly contain myself. This was when I was seeing close to 20 shows a week and was pretty much fed up with the local scene (with certain exceptions: The Negro Problem, Ozomatli, Black Eyed Peas, Gillian Welch, Cockyed Ghost, The Muffs, and a few others). Although she's still perfecting her onstage "character," her talent exceeds these rough spots. She recently opened at the secret gigs for The Counting Crows and The Red Hot Chili Peppers here in Los Angeles. ___ BETH WATERS Sorting through the discarded/duplicates pile of the KCRW library, I came upon her EP, "Don't Look Back," and instead of inquiring a DJ about it, I just played it. Although it wasn't immediately earth-shattering, I saw the potential of her talent and obtained more information on her. Originally hailing from Santa Barbara, CA, local press compared her to Jewel and Tori Amos, among other songwriter icons. While I won't dare to unfairly put her in that mold, she definitely has the potential to become quite a strong performer. Blending classical musical arrangements on piano, thoughtful lyrics, and a fresh youthful (yet full) voice, Beth creates music in a clearly cinematic scope. I still regard her track "Needing To Be True" as a strong contender for tearjerker song of the year. Now a San Francisco resident, Beth makes a most welcome return to Southern California. More info on Beth can be found at ___ ABBY TRAVIS: Locals know her as the lead vocalist/bassist for The Abby Travis Foundation. People around the world know her as the former bassist for Elastica and Beck along with her collaborations with KMFDM, Susan James, Flea, Spinal Tap, Ann Magnuson, and the list goes on. Abby recently experimented with material in the solo realm when she performed a unique cabaretesque set at the annual Broken Mic event at Spaceland earlier this year. Lucky, for me, I was in the audience that night. While her music might not be everyone (it's borderline performance art), Abby, herself, is enchanting enough to see her at least once. I invited her to this LRT not only to hear her devilishly clever "Everything's Wonderful" again but to make sure my ears and eyes weren't deceiving me. More info on The Abby Travis Foundation can be found at: Articles on Abby ___ MARY DOLAN After graduating from University of San Diego High school in 1983, Mary took up classical music studies at California State University, Fullerton. She spent three years studying classical voice and music theory, then returned to San Diego where she began to direct church choirs. She worked with choirs for less than a year when she decided that choral direction wasn't what she wanted to do. At the advice of a friend, she went to an "open jam session" at a bar called Doc's Landing in El Cajon, California and it was there that she discovered what she did want to do -- play her guitar and sing for people who wanted to listen. Mary then sought out venues to perform by participating in "open mic" nights and by auditioning at various coffee houses throughout San Diego. These efforts led to gigs all over town, recording offers, music award nominations, opening act spots for more well-known artists and the recognition that Mary Dolan is a talented singer/songwriter. - ----- More info on Mary Dolan can be found at: ___ Essey Jensen's bio has not been written up at this time -- although some may remember her from the now defunct Innerchange Coffee House in San Diego. If you'd like info on her contact Larry Greenfield . Cindy Wasserman (sister of renowned bassist Rob Wasserman) is the lead singer of the LA band Starbelly. Susan James is currently riding high on the critical success of her latest effort _Fantastic Voyage_ (Red Letter). Interestingly enough she once opened for Rob Wasserman's outfit, Ratdog, as well as John Doe and Lindsey Buckingham. She's also very familiar with Living Room Tours having been at last years' NXNW with LRT founder Cindy Lee Berryhill who she befriended at the annual festival. Lastly, Marcella Detroit should go without describing. Since leaving Shakespeare's Sister her solo work has been thrilling music lovers for years. More updates will be coming as the day approaches. Thank you for your time and I hope to see you this Saturday! Gerard Perez ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:01:42 -0500 From: Mark Cicero Subject: MM: BAND TOO LOUD ! I've have read, with much interest, many of the comments made about Patty's live performances. The overwhelming thread throughout these reviews is that THE BAND IS TOO LOUD ! Is anybody from Patty's management listening (or even care) about what's being said here. I was willing to cut them (PG's management) some slack for the first few shows but this seems to be the norm, according to various list members who have reported on various live shows. What's the F%&ken problem! There is no excuse for this. What kind of impact is a live show going to have (on potential new fans) if the audience can't hear the performer. This is really beginning to piss me off. I plan on seeing Patty, in Nashville at 328 Performance Hall on September 18th and will report back to the list about whether or not her voice was audible and I will say something to the sound man/woman if I can't hear the vocals. Regards, Mark Nashville,TN ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #241 *********************************