From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #236 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Friday, August 14 1998 Volume 02 : Number 236 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: Contact [Glen Hatchell ] MM: next single [T Benjamin Self ] MM: Next Single [diamondmask@juno.com] Re: MM: next single [Brian Kanouse ] MM: Next Single [Rick.Snow@medaphis.com (Snow, Rick)] MM: second single [CANTbeCOOL@aol.com] MM: RE: RE: Niche audience? ["COLE,Iain" ] MM: Flaming Red! [mysticalcrowe@webtv.net (steven thomson)] MM: Flaming Red! [mysticalcrowe@webtv.net (steven thomson)] MM: Re: Contact (long) ["Victoria Chenevey" ] MM: Thoughts on "Tony" as a single. [David Lewis ] MM: Next Single and Other Artists [pbohmiller@juno.com (Paul W Bohmiller)] MM: RE: Next Single and Other Artists ["COLE,Iain" Subject: Re: MM: Contact I don't have a contact for you, but I did not have the same experience. She played here in Tampa August 4. The venue was a street front club and the buses were parked out front. About 20 minutes after her set, I hung around the front of her bus. Someone-- he had keys to the bus, road manager maybe?- made eye contact with me and I asked if Patty would come out to sign CD and have a picture taken. He said hang on, and in 2 minutes she was coming out of the bus. I talked with her a while, had her sign my CDs, and had a few pictures taken. Maybe something is going on in her life right now and she doesn't want to face a crowd after a show..... (What would your reaction be if your boss said "you know, I give you money to work here 40 hours per week; the least you could do is work an extra hour a day for free") And it has been said before, Patty is being pushed big time by A&M. They run her life right now and their only interest is in moving OBL up the charts to recoup their investment. I think that has more to do with it than Patty being tired of playing the songs. Indie versus major labels...maybe she's not happy being under someone's control..... Glen np:Gillian Welch, Good Till Now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:20:15 EDT From: T Benjamin Self Subject: MM: next single Well, although I'm going to say the same song as half the other people on the list, I thought it was important (since they did after all ask it) to share my opinion. Being a relative new-comer to Patty's music, i think that I might be able to provide some insight to what might attract new-comers to her wonderful voice. I picked up living with ghosts much earlier that flaming red, and, no surprise, was very dissapointed to find her second CD much less appealing (at first!). I guess I was looking for a more accoustic sound. But, as I listened to it more and more I couldn't believe what I discovered. The same beautiful music was still in there, it was just a bit hidden under the other stuff :). All that is beside the point anyway. I vote 100% completely for "Tony". I STILL catch myself singing it (just like every little bit from the first album!). It has all the qualities of a fantastic song, and those of a big hit as well. The hook is amazing. The song has a meaning (i really do think that the public cares about this). It grabs you the first time through. And it has a wider appeal than most of the other songs. it'll grab the radio stations. Who cares about the contraversy? It will be great! Looking forward to the boston show! It'll be my first :) (just my .02c) Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:31:05 -0700 From: diamondmask@juno.com Subject: MM: Next Single If it means anything, the "cool" station here in Seattle is playing a live version of "Wiggly" made right in their own studio. They are talking both her and the song up quite a bit. Everytime they play it, they talk about how impressed everyone at the station was by both her personality and her talent. And she nails that note right at the end. Must have been pretty impressive sitting across from her in that studio. I thought Tony might be the next best release, but Blue Sky is pretty attention getting right from those opening crunch chords right on through the pretty chorus. Though, Tony gets pretty powerful there too. Hard choice. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:22:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Kanouse Subject: Re: MM: next single Tony. There content and controversy will only add to the unbelievable emotion Patty puts into it. It will grab peopld, that's for sure. Even if you stun a crown first, they'll be tempted to come back and hear it again. Yeah, no other choice, you have to go with Tony. Brian Kanouse _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:00:11 -0400 From: Rick.Snow@medaphis.com (Snow, Rick) Subject: MM: Next Single Greetings, folks from a new list member. Hell, I'm new to the world of Patty Griffin! My lovely wife Lorna, our then-4 week old daughter (now 6 weeks old and showing signs of having flaming red hair herself!) and I were shopping in the Virginia-Highlands area of Atlanta. We went into Cornerstone Music and there was this display with a win-an-autographed Patty Griffin guitar contest and a whole bunch of free sampler cassettes. We, of course, entered the contest and picked up a cassette. Plugged it into the car cassette player on the way home and it was great. The snippet from Flaming Red drew us right in but it was the song Wiggly Fingers (full length) that sold us. Picked up the new cd the next day. From what I have ascertained from the postings, we also need her first album--although we haven't been able to stop playing this one! But it was Wiggly Fingers that did it for us. So, that gets our votes! Rick Snow P.S. (And Patty plays Saturday night at the Roxy but since babies aren't allowed--we'll have to wait!). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:03:05 EDT From: CANTbeCOOL@aol.com Subject: MM: second single OK, I'll wade in on this one, since opinions are being solicited. I'd pick Carry Me. There are songs on the CD that I personally like even better than this one, but I think it has more Top 40 potential than, say, Goodbye, or Mary. Blue Sky would be my second pick for a Top 40 contender. I feel strongly that Tony should not be the song chosen. I do like this song, and the story is well-told. BUT -- (gearing up here to be regarded as an old fogey) -- in these violent times I don't think the impressionable youth of our country need another song about suicide. I can easily envision a depressed young person "on the edge", pushed over that edge by the powerful imagery in this song. You must understand that I am of a vintage to recall Black Sabbath's Reaper song having that effect years ago. On a brighter note, I had a chance to catch Patty live in Louisville Tuesday, and she was great. Well worth the 250-mile round trip, and the late night. The crowd was very enthusiastic, and it seemed to buoy her spirits considerably. (At one point she said something like, "Wow! I needed this!") Makes me wonder, have her audiences elsewhere been more lukewarm? By all means, if she comes near your town, don't miss her! Stan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:34:49 +1000 From: "COLE,Iain" Subject: MM: RE: RE: Niche audience? straight on to the second star of the morning then turn left > ---------- > From: Paquin, John[SMTP:jpaquin@origin.ea.com] > Sent: Friday, 14 August 1998 4:19 > To: Mad Mission > Subject: MM: RE: Niche audience? > > Where is Lesbia, anyway? Will Patty be playing there? > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:07:53 -0500 (CDT) From: mysticalcrowe@webtv.net (steven thomson) Subject: MM: Flaming Red! Am I the only person out there who thinks "Flaming Red" should be the next single? It is by far my favorite song on the album. From beginning to end, it rocks! The opening grabs the listener like a club to the head. Since the purpose of a single is to hook the listener, why not try the song with the biggest hook. I can imagine tons of people screaming along with the middle portion--- "Flaming Red! Flaming Red! Flaming Red!" Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. -----Steven Thomson (wondering why Patty always plays Austin, but has never played here in Houston). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:45:15 -0500 (CDT) From: mysticalcrowe@webtv.net (steven thomson) Subject: MM: Flaming Red! Am I the only one who thinks "Flaming Red" would be a great single? It is by far my favorite song on the album. From beginning to end, it rocks! The opening grabs the listener like a club to the head. Since the purpose of a single is to hook the listener, why not try the song with the biggest hook? I can imagine tons of people screaming along with the midsection portion --"Flaming Red! Flaming Red! Flaming Red!". I like "Tony" and think it would be a good choice, but do you really think that the majority of brain-dead ultra-conversative idiot sheep who program American radio would take a chance on something as controversial as that? I think not. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. -----Steven Thomson (who wonders why Patty always plays Austin, but has never played here in Houston). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:04:56 -0700 From: "Victoria Chenevey" Subject: MM: Re: Contact (long) There has always been this argument, for every "celebrity", how much they "owe" their fans apart from their performance. From the posts I've read, Patty has been very accessible to her fans after her shows; and I agree with the other post that said maybe that particular eve she just didn't have the inclination to be out there. What are our expectations for performers, anyway? Does it change our feelings about her songs because she chose not to be one on one with us after a show? In my mind, it doesn't diminish her talent or her specialness one iota if she chooses not to mingle with the fans after a show, no matter how few fans that are waiting. She gives us her live performances, her songs, her recordings, we take from her all we can when we listen; she doesn't "owe" us anything more. I think about how much energy it takes for her to write songs, record them, then perform live, and then I think about this tour she is on right now, how aggressive it is, and how maybe, just maybe, she's giving all she can on stage and that, my friends, is all we can expect. Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 23:37:56 -0300 From: David Lewis Subject: MM: Thoughts on "Tony" as a single. >I feel strongly that Tony should not be the song chosen. I do like this song, >and the story is well-told. BUT -- (gearing up here to be regarded as an old >fogey) -- in these violent times I don't think the impressionable youth of our >country need another song about suicide. I can easily envision a depressed >young person "on the edge", pushed over that edge by the powerful imagery in >this song. I mean no disrespect Stan and I understand why someone might think as you do, but quite honestly, I think the last thing that would push a young person "over the edge" is a song. If anything, I think this song could have the opposite effect. It would let kids like Tony know that they are not alone. It would also get the problem of teen suicide out in the open which would be a good thing. Keeping the issue hidden to "protect out children" does more harm than good. Pretending that a problem doesn't exist is the surest path to disaster. Many people have used the word "controversial" to describe this song. Personally, I don't find it controversial. At least not for the reason that I assume most people think it would be controversial (i.e. the use of the words fag and faggot). The only thing that would really concern me about releasing this song as a single is the issue of annonymity. We know that Tony was a real person, but we don't know if "Tony" was his real name. If it's a false name, fine, end of discussion. Release it. If not, I think it would only be right to consult with those that Tony left behind (i.e his Mother, Father and other immediate family members) before releasing it as a single. After all, what happened to them was their own personal tragedy. If it were me, I would really appreciate being consulted before having my personal tragedy related to the world. Secondly, if Tony was the boy's real name, it would be nice to pay a small tribute to him in the liner notes of the single. Nothing too elaborate, just a sentence or two above the credits area mentioning who he was, when he lived, what kind of things he enjoyed in life and who he left behind. This could also be accompanied by a 1-800 help line number. Some people may say, "oh. that's getting too political" or "too serious" or "preachy" or whatever and Patty should just "rock on!" Ok, but what happened to Tony and his family was not "rockin'", it was unspeakably tragic. This song is about some *very* serious shit. If it's to be released, it should be treated seriously. Otherwise, a lot of people may think it's nothing more than a cool song with the word faggot in it (present company excluded of course :) It's about a whole lot more than that. Rest in peace Tony. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 23:16:42 -0400 From: pbohmiller@juno.com (Paul W Bohmiller) Subject: MM: Next Single and Other Artists Trying to kill two birds with one email so to speak. My vote for the next single is "Change". "Blue Sky" is a good song, but too much of the same. Patty's just too special to be dumped in with all the other singer/songwriters on the air. "Wiggly Fingers" is a great song, but too loud for most radio stations (IMHO). "Tony" would be a great choice but the subject matter is somewhat controversial which could hurt its chances. That leaves "Change". Great vocals, great beat, socially relevant lyrics - throw "Mary" on the B-Side for diversity and you've got a winner!!! I've enjoyed reading what people are listening to and although I enjoy many of the same artists: Van Morrison, Lyle Lovett, Loreena McKennitt, Kate Bush, etc. I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only one besides Patty who's a SPRINGSTEEN fan. Paul _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:25:03 +1000 From: "COLE,Iain" Subject: MM: RE: Next Single and Other Artists Sticking my hand up and waving.. (about Bruce Springsteen) regards, Iain ___________________________________________ I don't suffer from stress. I'm a carrier ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #236 *********************************