From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #235 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, August 13 1998 Volume 02 : Number 235 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Pattysingles:next?:V2 #234 [PeaceLoveGrace@webtv.net (Adam Robinson)] MM: skippingf.r.&w.f.?!V2 #233 [PeaceLoveGrace@webtv.net (Adam Robinson)] MM: Opening act in Boston; second single ["Luca, Joseph" ] MM: Next Single [Glennia Campbell ] MM: Smoke Signals ["Perlman, Judith" ] MM: The Second [Eeternal@aol.com] MM: RE: Smoke Signals ["Luca, Joseph" ] Re: MM: RE: Smoke Signals [CornflkGl@aol.com] MM: The next single ["Sara" ] MM: Niche audience? [Elaine Bean ] MM: RE: Niche audience? ["Paquin, John" ] MM: Single ["C. Soudah" ] MM: Re: Yea Ron, you go boy! [Jeff Dunnam ] MM: Contact (long) [DOSHIA98@aol.com] Re: MM: RE: Niche audience? [jarstar@iconn.net] MM: Contact [jarstar@iconn.net] MM: No more vanilla, please [Mooodeee@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:18:56 -0700 (PDT) From: PeaceLoveGrace@webtv.net (Adam Robinson) Subject: MM: Pattysingles:next?:V2 #234 Contrary to popular belief, the artist has no say in what the next release will be from the album. Hell, she didn't even have a say in the pick of "One Big Love" for the first single. Here's a prime example with a completely different genre of music : "Spoonman" ~ Soundgarden (from the Superunknown album) That's practically the lamest track on the album, yet chosen as he first single. Thank God those high paid bastards sitting around pickin' singles wised up and got into the meat (eeeeeeuuuuw! I'm vegetarian) of the album after that. Great album, unfortunate first single. I'll continue if you like... PeaceLove&Grace, +m ~ : ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:31:05 -0700 (PDT) From: PeaceLoveGrace@webtv.net (Adam Robinson) Subject: MM: skippingf.r.&w.f.?!V2 #233 You're actually SKIPPING "Flaming Red" and "Wiggley Fingers"?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Sounds like someone is entirely missing this piece of art the way that the artist/company intended it to be heard? It's kind of like watching "Animal House" on TNT for the very first time with all of the dialogue edited out... PeaceLove&Grace, +m ~ : ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:47:47 -0400 From: "Luca, Joseph" Subject: MM: Opening act in Boston; second single Howdy. First (and please don't take this personally, Mimi: Your song-by-song analysis was a stark and informative reminder of the cold business eye of radio, and why, to me, the vast majority of radio is a follow-the-leader wasteland. Makes me more grateful every day for WUMB in Boston), while everyone agrees that "Tony" is a powerful, evocative song, I don't think that most stations will play it. And if, honestly, what we're looking for is radio presence for Patty that will lead to greater recognition and appreciation, then the next single should be something that is accessible and hook-laden, something that will linger in the "average" listener's mind. And Patty, like only a few other artists, can pull that off while still making the song mean something. As of this sitting, "Blue Sky" and "Carry Me" strike me as excellent songs that fulfill those criteria. And I agree that then, when she has gotten a foot-hold in a very competitive, yet bland marketplace, her unique talents will separate her from the pack. But that's just my personal, and long-winded, opinion. As for Patty's Boston show, today's Globe indicates that Bake McBride is the opener. Besides being the name of a Phillies'/Cardinals' outfielder in the '70s, does this performer/group ring a bell with anyone? Have a great day. Ciao, Joe (who's in the midst of a concert run that includes the Newport FF, Van Halen [please don't ask], Richard Shindell, Patty, and Deb Pasternak, and who's much too old to pull this off without becoming very cranky) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:59:39 -0400 From: "Perlman, Judith" Subject: MM: Dar Williams On Vin Scelsa's show Sunday night, when he played "Tony" as part of a set about unhappy teenagers and unhappy gay teenagers (as far as I could make out), the set began with Dar Williams' song, "When I Was A Boy." Later on, he told a story about how Dar Williams' song, "Fellow Traveler" (approx.) came to be on the "Smoke Signals" soundtrack. I'm not on the Dar Williams list, but I know some people on this list are, so if you're interested, let me know and I can e-mail you privately. By the way, I vote for "Carry Me." And I don't think it's fluff; to me it's transcendent. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:23:54 -0700 From: Glennia Campbell Subject: MM: Next Single My votes (in order): 1. Tony 2. Blue Sky (though I agree, summer would be better for releasing this one) 3. Christina I don't know much about the inner workings of the music business and what makes people buy records, but I know that these were the three songs that really "grabbed" me on first listening to FR. "Mary" is my favorite Patty song ever and moved me to tears the first time I heard it, but I doubt that the top-40 world is ready for "mind-numbingly beautiful lyrics" as another poster so eloquently stated. Whatever the outcome, let's just hope that they play it! I am always delighted to hear OBL on the radio, and the other day I heard "Change". I guess I don't really care what they pick, since anything on this album is at least 100% better than most of the stuff that's on the radio now. Glennia P.S. Ron, your descriptions were hysterical! LOL! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:49:02 -0400 From: "Perlman, Judith" Subject: MM: Smoke Signals Forgot to say - I saw "Smoke Signals" and was wondering how a Dar Williams song got in there. It's a very good movie. You could even take the kids (but not too young, they might be disturbed by something I don't want to give away). Does anyone know anything about this technology where you can go into a store and make a tape or CD, I'm not sure, of songs, that is, songs from different CD's? Then you could do a Patty and Dar soundtrack album. And as for soundtrack music, anything by Mark Knopfler (of Dire Straits) is great, particularly "Cal" and "Local Hero." Truly beautiful music! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:51:56 EDT From: Eeternal@aol.com Subject: MM: The Second I know that the last thing people might want to read is another posting about the second song, but I figure..I wanna get my .02 in. Now, I see the top two choices that everyone is throwing out is either "Blue Sky" or "Tony". I love and revere both songs, esp. Tony. However, I must agree with that person who had said that Wiggly Fingers should be released. Wiggly Fingers, first of all, has a raw, rockin' harmony, that I believe could definitely please a niche, if not mass, market. Look @ Mellissa Etheridge, whom I noticed was not on anybody's lists. She started a little niche market with her gravel rock n' roll, and now she's mass marketed. (yes, she hit it big before she even came out (although many suspected, but I'm rambling)) Anyways, secondly, Wiggly Fingers topic about masturbation can be controversial enough without being too apparent like Tony would be. Consider "She Bop" by Cyndi Lauper, masturbation, "I Touch Myself" by the Dyvinals <~~sp?, masturbation. "Right Hand Man" by Joan Osborne (btw, when is she comin' wit' a new album), masturbation. It's possible, plus with the religious implications, she can also match Ms. Osborne with "St. Theresa" & "One of us". I've gone on too long, I'm sure, but like I said... that's my .02 - -pete ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:00:56 -0400 From: "Luca, Joseph" Subject: MM: RE: Smoke Signals Howdy. Dar has said that Sherman Alexie, the co-screenwriter and author upon whose collection of short stories the movie is based, called her and asked her to write a song for the movie. The song that resulted, "Road Buddy," is also included on Dar's latest CD, _End of the Summer_. Dar and Sherman are apparently mutual admirers, artistically. His collection, _The Lone Ranger and Tonto Fistfight in Heaven_, is excellent, surpassing the film, which I also enjoyed. And you're right-Dar and Patty is an arguably unbeatable combination. Ciao! -----Original Message----- From: Perlman, Judith [SMTP:PerlmanJ@UJAFEDNY.ORG] Sent: Thursday, August 13, 1998 12:49 PM To: 'mad-mission@smoe.org' Subject: MM: Smoke Signals Forgot to say - I saw "Smoke Signals" and was wondering how a Dar Williams song got in there. It's a very good movie. You could even take the kids (but not too young, they might be disturbed by something I don't want to give away). Does anyone know anything about this technology where you can go into a store and make a tape or CD, I'm not sure, of songs, that is, songs from different CD's? Then you could do a Patty and Dar soundtrack album. And as for soundtrack music, anything by Mark Knopfler (of Dire Straits) is great, particularly "Cal" and "Local Hero." Truly beautiful music! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:08:36 EDT From: CornflkGl@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: RE: Smoke Signals I haven't seen the movie yet ( which is produced by, directed by, and stars American Indians ), but I was lucky enough to hear the story being read on "Selected Shorts" on NPR a couple of months back ( before I knew about the movie ). It was a wonderful story, although a bit gross ( and I'm not sure if that part carried over to the movie or not ). I've heard only good reviews. I, however, have no info on Dar in the soundtrack, or on Dar being compared to Patty, or if Patty thinks teenagers kick our butts ( but I doubt she does )... I just felt the need to post about something besides the second single! Rachel :D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:11:04 -0400 From: "Sara" Subject: MM: The next single I have to say that the next single should most definitely be Tony or Christina or Mary! Talk about brilliance. If those songs got out and Patty got a little more exposure she would be huge! I also love Carry Me and Go Now and Peter Pan, and basically every other song on FR. I just don't like Flaming Red-the song-itself. Go figure! SARA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:12:17 -0700 From: Elaine Bean Subject: MM: Niche audience? > Or you have to have a particularly vocal and visible niche audience. Yip, those gosh-durn lisbins can sure make a lot of noise . . . :) Sorry for the very un pc comment (with absolutely no Patty content at all), but I thought this euphemism (niche audience) was hysterical! Sometimes I can't help myself. Elaine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:19:16 -0500 From: "Paquin, John" Subject: MM: RE: Niche audience? Where is Lesbia, anyway? Will Patty be playing there? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:18:27 -0800 From: "C. Soudah" Subject: MM: Single I agree with Sara that the next single should be "Tony". It's passionate and representative of Patty's style. "One Big Love" wouldn't have been the most obvious single in my view, and the song "Flaming Red" is mediocre as well. I finally saw her here in L.A. 2 months ago with her new band. At that poiint, I'd lived and breathed "Living with Ghosts". I loved the lyrics, the single acoustic voice, the guitar, every song from beginning to end. Then I go to the show, and I hear drums, a guzillion guitars, keyboards, and several male voices - all loud and intrusive. We hardly heard Patty's voice, and most everyone left disappointed. I was upset for days, and thought I'd swear off the new album. Needless to say, I've "grown." The album is great, and an extension of her first work. The problem is that she needs to develop with this band; they need practice and synchrony and to blend. There is definitely something to be said for a band that's been playing together for 10 years. It makes a difference. Carol ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:45:51 -0500 From: Jeff Dunnam Subject: MM: Re: Yea Ron, you go boy! I am totally with Ron's comments regarding Tony. It will make people notice. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:44:47 EDT From: DOSHIA98@aol.com Subject: MM: Contact (long) I was wondering if any of you guys knew of an address where one might contact Griffin's manager or Griffin herself? I wanted to drop a few lines concerning one of her recent shows. And I was wondering if you guys would have any impressions, not looking for any flaming, honest. But, about three weeks ago I saw Griffin in SC, after her set I figured I would run out back and try to meet her. My thinking being, 'well she's not really that popular yet, and this may be my one chance to make her aquanitance.' So I was standing by her tour bus at the backstage door. Two other fans walked up and we all started talking to her quitarists. One of the fans had just bought her new cd and the guitarist offered to take it backstage to get it signed. I figured well, I'm not going to give him mine. I thought that soon as he went back there she would hear that a few people were waiting to meet her and she would come on out. Well, about 15 minutes later he brought out the cd, signed but no sign of Patty. Then reading this NG I saw someone with a post after her show the next night in Savannah, and the same thing happened to them, only this time she did eventually come out and only raised her hand up as she boarded the bus. I felt a little put off by this attitude. Would it really have been so hard for her to take 2 minutes to sign an autograph for us and to say hello. There were only three of us, during her set, the place was on 1/3 full and only half of those people clapped. We are her fans, we are the ones buying the discs, we are the ones paying money to see her. I'm almost put off enough to stop listening. I really enjoy her voice, and her preformances, and I know they have nothing to do with her humoring fans but come on. (she didn't even play one song from LWG, says she has played them for two years straight and needs a break, come on! what about artists that have been playing the same songs for twenty years, with no complaint) Two weeks earlier I had been at the same venue to see Jimmy Vaughn, and in the lobby a poster read that Jimmy would be out after his set to sign autographs. Is one preformer better than the other? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:46:53 -0400 From: jarstar@iconn.net Subject: Re: MM: RE: Niche audience? >Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:44:40 -0700 >From: Elaine Bean >Subject: Re: MM: RE: Niche audience? >To: jarstar@iconn.net >Cc: "Paquin, John" >Reply-to: bean@neu.edu >Organization: Northeastern University, Faculty Senate Office, 442 RY, > 360 Huntington Ave., Boston, MA 02115 >X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; U) > >jarstar@iconn.net wrote: >> >> At 01:19 PM 8/13/98 -0500, you wrote: >> >Where is Lesbia, anyway? Will Patty be playing there? >> > >> > >> it is east of Labia, its sister island > >Oh you guys are too funny - :) This last post should have gone to the >list! I'm sure that MOST people on the list would appreciate the humor. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:50:16 -0400 From: jarstar@iconn.net Subject: MM: Contact There are some days I come home from work after a long day in court and I don't even want to say hi to my girlfriend, so I can understand if a performer after a show just doesn't want to have to be "on" for fans. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:53:49 EDT From: Mooodeee@aol.com Subject: MM: No more vanilla, please Joe said: <> Very nicely put!!! And you are very right!! But don't you see? "One Big Love" already does that. When the time comes around for the second release, they can say, "been there, done that." I vote now for picking the best song for breaking new ground. Wasn't that the whole purpose and approach of this cd in the first place (from a production stand point)? (right Michael?) All I am saying is that, in my professional opinion, I believe something aggressive needs to follow OBL. However, I *do* agree with what you are saying about "Blue Sky" wholeheartedly---I recommend releasing it too for those same reasons--- just after first releasing "Wiggley" (or "Tony"), Release it later on in the Spring or Summer of 1999. If you ask me, neither "Tony" or "Wiggley" are really all that controversial, and I think to call them that is really stretching it. Both take just enough risks to make them impactful. And, they are a lot more mainstream than we realize. Go listen to them again and think about it within the context of top college, alternative, and rock radio. To quote Patty from what she on my guitar: "Rock on. Baby." Love from Austin, Mimi Alidor ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #235 *********************************