From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #233 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, August 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 233 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Mimi's Ramblings ["Bill Diekmann" ] MM: The Next Single [deanorez@juno.com (G Perez)] MM: second single ["Charlie Sweeney" ] MM: Re: Second Single ["Kevin Pease" ] MM: RE: Re: Second Single [Mark Cicero ] MM: my vote [Erin Scrafford ] MM: SECOND SINGLE [ROGER PRUDDEN ] MM: next single suggestion [wdb@obl.bidmc.harvard.edu (William D. Barthol] MM: second single ["Paquin, John" ] Re: MM: Re: blue sky should be the next single [JohnRN23@aol.com] Re: MM: The Next Single [Mooodeee@aol.com] MM: 2nd single [Cynthia Courtney ] MM: Re: Mama Kin / Boston [Jeffrey Bellsey ] MM: 2nd single [Jane A Rothchild ] MM: Re: fluff [CornflkGl@aol.com] MM: Fluff [Jane A Rothchild ] Re: MM: 2nd single ["Larry S. Greenfield" ] MM: single [Christine Wyman Coughlin ] MM: Single [Elaine Bean ] MM: Bowery Ballroom ["Perlman, Judith" ] MM: Re: Mama Kin / Boston [Jeffrey Bellsey ] MM: The next single [Linus Gelber ] Re: MM: The next single [Mooodeee@aol.com] MM: Singles release is business decision ["william gannon" Subject: MM: Mimi's Ramblings First off, this is in no way a personal attack at Mimi. I read her post with allot of interest and thank her for taking the time to post it. What I'm here to say is JEEEEEZ, I've taken a few shots at the music biz on this list before as many of you know. Reading Mimi's post really confirms to me how right I've been. Are radio programmers now mathematicians? I was thinking Blue Sky would be a great second single just because it would be easy for the masses to remember the chorus. I personally don't think OBL made enough of an impact to make some of these "formulas" stand up. I don't see many people hearing Wiggley Fingers on the radio and saying..."hey, that's that girl who sings OBL. I think it would be more prudent for Patty to play it safe with the fluff for now, and when and if she makes a name for herself, then show the masses what she is capable of. The way I see it, Patty has inched a little closer to commercial success, but if that is what she is after, stick to the songs that will reach the largest audience, songs that cross over. We'll see by Christmas time how the public has taken to Flaming Red (the album) and if it is positive, let loose with the wild stuff and blow their minds. Bill (personal to Mimi)....How are Bela Fleck and The Flecktones doing in the jazz market?? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:35:06 -0700 From: deanorez@juno.com (G Perez) Subject: MM: The Next Single ... "Blue Sky" with "Mary" as a B-Side for retail. If there's any way she'll break through the R&B Top 10 barrier, "Blue Sky" is her battering ram. Mainstream is just eating up feel-good pop and this song evokes that sentiment. The track also has wonderful visuals for a video... anyone picture tracking crane shots and helicopter sweeps through a welkin of caeruleus eternity?... Moreover, the song can easily be re-mixed to a dance/pop track which usually spells g. o. l. d. m. i. n. e. Believe me, MTV/M2 and VH1 have heard the buzz on her. She just needs 100% backing from A&M that, unfortunately, only few of the artists get. With Sheryl Crow and Dishwalla's new singles ("My Favorite Mistake" and "And You Think You Know What Life's About," respectively) going for adds, the time is now to go for full push to crossover. I would just hate to see "Blue Sky" be released in the winter when half the country is under 6 feet of snow... although it would be a nice selection come AMA and Grammy time. If they do choose to put "Tony" out (the only other choice, in my opinion) I'd like to see "Go Now" as its B-Side. Mike, tell Lucek I get paid by the hour. Best, Gerard Go See: Drugstore, Sleater-Kinney, Ozomatli, Jon Brion, LRTs... Go Buy: Sinead Lohan, Emm Gryner, Sixpence None the Richer... np: elliott smith - _xo_ (dreamworks) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:33:57 -4000 From: "Charlie Sweeney" Subject: MM: second single HI Mishers, I vote for _Tony_because, well, I love it. Is it the smartest release? I don't know. Will some stations refuse to play it? Probably. Will it start a major controversy? Possibly. But for sheer emotional impact, I think _Tony_ wins hands down. And for those who don't get it, you know what they say about folks who can't take a joke }8-> Charlie (=}===# Virtual Guitarist "Better Music through Electrons" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:32:39 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: MM: Re: Second Single I'd love to hear Wiggley Fingers on the radio... not sure how "radio-friendly" it would be to others, but that's the one I'd pick. Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease "Well if I were an angel, I could fly over Jordan, and I wouldn't need no Greyhound to save my soul, but maybe that's a good thing, 'cause I'll be home before I know it, And if I was an angel, I'd have a long way to go..." --(Matraca Berg)-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:29:15 -0500 From: Mark Cicero Subject: MM: RE: Re: Second Single I think it depends on the market you wish to target. For your top 40 stations I'd have to go with "Blue Sky" (very upbeat, good hook, uncontroversial) and for your more rock oriented stations I'd have to go with "Wiggley Fingers" (will force all the Alanis and Gwen fans to sit up and take notice). As much as I would like to see "Tony" (my personal favorite)released as a single, I think it runs the risk of not being played because of the subject matter (some might consider it to controversial). Regards, Mark Nashville,TN ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:41:40 -0400 From: Erin Scrafford Subject: MM: my vote Wiggly Fingers > OK....here's what's up....Michael Baker has asked me to get input from all > of you as to what song on Flaming Red do you feel should be the SECOND > single to be released and why. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:12:26 -0400 From: ROGER PRUDDEN Subject: MM: SECOND SINGLE I would have to agree the the person who said WIGGLER FINGER for the fact that it's the style everyones after nowadays, in second i would say CHANGE. chow Roger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:07:57 -0400 From: wdb@obl.bidmc.harvard.edu (William D. Bartholomew) Subject: MM: next single suggestion tony. just sounds like top 40 material. subject matter may be a bit risky, in that it might be misinterpreted by a few close minded individuals, but musically, and emotionally, it sounds like it could really give patty some exposure. that's my story and i'm stickin' to it. bill b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:17:32 -0500 From: "Paquin, John" Subject: MM: second single The first time I listened to FR, Tony reached me more that Wiggly Fingers. For me that's the bottom line. My vote is for Tony, narrowly edging out Wiggly Fingers. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:50:57 EDT From: JohnRN23@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: blue sky should be the next single Tony is probably the most reliable.... not so much for the words, but it has a VH1 appeal in the backbeat that people will appreciate. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:55:01 EDT From: Mooodeee@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: The Next Single Gerard said: << I would just hate to see "Blue Sky" be released in the winter when half the country is under 6 feet of snow... although it would be a nice selection come AMA and Grammy time. >> I agree with this notion totally, which is part of the reason why I am disappointed that Blue Sky wasn't the first song released. The cd came out in the heart of the summer---and what is the best summertime, strong radio song on the record? Definitely "Blue Sky." The timing would have been perfect, not to mention timing for the Grammys. I definitely agree that it would be a bad move to release a summertime song in the dead of winter. (What if DMB released "Stay for a while" in winter, when the song is about summertime? lol) Nononono. Timing is everything. Man, too bad! Oh well. At this point, I would recommend saving "Blue Sky" until the spring/summer of 1999, which would ensure the longevity of the record. And what a great corrective mainstreaming follow up to Wiggley that would be. Recovering from the shock and steering back towards mainstreaming once Wiggley hollers for attention and gets it. What do you think? Mimi Alidor Austin, TX PS: Everyone get out your Gavins and check spot # 9 Elias Haslanger on the Jazz chart. All of you Austinites take pride, that is the Monday night Cedar Street guy. That is one of the records I am working. (directed to the bela fleck commentator). ::nod:: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:11:12 -0500 From: Cynthia Courtney Subject: MM: 2nd single I think the second single should be Change, particularly if the Top 40 stations are going to pick it up. It's the most "accessible" song on the album, IMHO, _and_, even better, it's been one of my favorites of hers for almost 3 yrs - I was glad to see it make it to FR, after not being on Living with Ghosts. Incredible piece of song-writing. And it shows off the full range of her voice - both dynamically and pitch-wise. The band is _awesome_ on this tune too. Other possibilities: Christina (another "accessible" song - and heartbreakingly beautiful) or Goodbye (although a strictly acoustic version of this would have been better....) Of course, some of the best song-writing on the album (Tony and Mary), are slightly less "ready for prime time" in terms of appeal. But they could also strike a nerve. NEVER under any circumstances should Big Daddy be released anywhere ! ;-) (I love Patty and I love FR, but all I could think the first few times I listened to it was "Huh?", and now I always skip this track). Wiggly Fingers and Flaming Red are just TOO LOUD. I sometimes skip these tracks too (although I like Wiggly). Carry Me and Blue Sky are kind of innocuous. I don't think they'd move too many people. (why oh why weren't Cain and Water put on this album instead??!!) I can already hear some folks saying that it shouldn't just be about what the masses might want to hear, but I want Patty to be successful and get all the popular and critical acclaim she deserves. I think a talent like hers should be shared with everyone...so if a little pandering to the Top 40 stations are what it takes, I'm all for it. I don't think it will affect Patty's artistry one "little bit." Just my $0.02, Cindy Courtney ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:34:36 -0400 From: Jeffrey Bellsey Subject: MM: Re: Mama Kin / Boston Hi all, I'll be there, but I can't get there too early. Looking forward to meeting everyone! Jeffrey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:44:02 -0400 From: Jane A Rothchild Subject: MM: 2nd single I will join the chorus and vote for "Blue Sky" as the second single. My reason is that it is so radio friendly, and I think the idea is to get the non-Patty people out in the heartland to go buy the record, and this song could do that. For example, I made a tape for a friend of mine who lives in the middle of nowhere, Ohio, which included "Blue Sky" and a few other PG tunes, as well as most of the new Bonnie Raitt CD. Unsolicited, he said "listened to one side of the tape....loved the "blue sky" song". So there you go. I would love to hear"Foxy Lady" segue into "Wiggly Fingers" one day on the radio, but maybe that should be the third single ;) - --Jane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:46:39 EDT From: CornflkGl@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: fluff << I think it would be more prudent for Patty to play it safe with the fluff for now, and when and if she makes a name for herself, then show the masses what she is capable of. >> What a sad way to have to live your life. If Patty becomes another "Sonny Came Home" because she releases Blue Sky, you're all gonna be sorry. Rachel :D, hiding ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:56:14 -0400 From: Jane A Rothchild Subject: MM: Fluff Oh my....did someone say songs like "Blue Sky" and "One Big Love" are fluff? Man, I disagree with that assessment. Radio-friendly does not mean it's not a good song, or not up to par. "Walking on Sunshine" by Katrina and the Waves, with its incessant tape loop, was fluff - perfect summer fluff - but fluff nonetheless. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:49:51 -0700 From: "Larry S. Greenfield" Subject: Re: MM: 2nd single Whoa! How neat! I was playing a "live" version of WF in my car yesterday, and my 13-year-old daughter said "that sounds like Jimi Hendrix." (I'm so proud of her!) I'd like the segue to be FL--->WF--->Purple Haze yah! - -=-Larry-=- Jane A Rothchild wrote: > I would love to hear"Foxy Lady" segue into "Wiggly Fingers" one day on the > radio, but maybe that should be the third single ;) > > --Jane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:43:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Christine Wyman Coughlin Subject: MM: single Definitely Tony. If you want to release one that is a slower to show the audience Patty's musical variety, then Mary. Tony is the ticket, though. Chrissy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:46:49 -0700 From: Elaine Bean Subject: MM: Single Hi, I was just curious about the mechanics/decisions involved in releasing a song. Is a the song (s) that is/are ultimately chosen for release done with the type of music that is played by this station in mind, or is it kind of a blanket thing - the record company releases one song and if it doesn't fit the format of a particular radio station, too bad - I think that Flaming Red is a kickass kind of song that belongs on BCN or FNX, but it probably wouldn't do too well on a "soft rock" kind of radio station. While I think Tony would do well in a LOT of areas, of course, there are many geographic locations where it would not. So can one song be released to some stations/one part of the country, while another song is released to yet another station/another part of the country? Elaine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:52:29 -0400 From: "Perlman, Judith" Subject: MM: Bowery Ballroom Does anyone want to meet before or at the Aug. 18th show? I won't be at work (that is, have e-mail) next week, so if you do want to, could you please e-mail me by Friday. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:08:55 -0400 From: Jeffrey Bellsey Subject: MM: Re: Mama Kin / Boston Hi all, I'll be there, but I can't get there too early. Looking forward to meeting everyone! Jeffrey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:23:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Linus Gelber Subject: MM: The next single I heard "Wiggley Fingers" on Vin Scelsa's show before the album release and had no idea it was Patty; it made me sit up and give a good listen on its internal merits alone, and I wanted immediately to know who sang it. Perky, cute, solid, hard to resist. That'd be my pick. Ciao - Linus Linus Gelber > Home Office Records -- Something Else! linus@panix.com < Please visit us at http://www.web-ho.com boss@web-ho.com > The RAW Kinder EP is here and for sale-- cyrano@nycbeer.org < albums by Pawnshop and The Cucumbers soon! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:49:14 EDT From: Mooodeee@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: The next single Consider the idea that all three: "Wiggley Fingers," "Tony," and "Blue Sky" should all be released. Now, consider the timing of when you might release them? Which one of the three would you want to release next? Mimi Alidor Austin, TX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:37:48 -0700 From: "william gannon" Subject: MM: Singles release is business decision Hello everyone, I think all this talk about what should be the next single is a little silly. While it would be nice for everyone to have their favorite song, or the song that means the most to them be released, everyone has to keep in mind that the recording business is just that; a business. Singles are picked on their appeal to the widest audience possible, a decision that benefits not only the record company, but dare I say, the artist as well, unless you are of the mind that success spoils the art and should not be a goal. That being said, the new single should no doubt be Blue Sky. Peace, Patrick 2C a decision that benefits not only the record company, but dare I say, the artist as well, unless you are of the mind that success spoils the art and should not be a goal. That being said, the new single should no doubt be Blue Sky. Peace, Patrick Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #233 *********************************