From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #231 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Tuesday, August 11 1998 Volume 02 : Number 231 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Mama Kin Plans [David Lewis ] MM: Possible meeting for Mama Kin Show [Elaine Bean ] Re: MM: Possible meeting for Mama Kin Show [CornflkGl@aol.com] MM: News & input from Mad-Mishers desired from Patty's manager :-) [Mike ] MM: 2nd Single-Christina [Christopher Phillips ] MM: 2nd song for release [Rkbeachbum@aol.com] MM: Re: next patti single [Stevshep2@aol.com] MM: New single.... [Charl Kroeger ] MM: RE: Next single feedback [ABershaw@aol.com] MM: next single... [CornflkGl@aol.com] MM: Second Single Release [Paul Mays ] MM: PG's writing abilities [elaine bean ] MM: RE: next single... ["COLE,Iain" ] MM: Re: PattyG-News: News & input from Mad-Mishers desired from Patty's manager :-) ["Stephen V. Gilmore" ] MM: Re: News & input from Mad-Mishers desired from Patty's manager :-) [M] MM: Re: News & input from Mad-Mishers desired from Patty's manager :-) [] MM: Next release from FR (per Mike) [AloanStar@webtv.net (Jeanne Pugh)] MM: Re: blue sky should be the next single ["Victoria Chenevey" ] MM: 2nd choice for release [Elaine Bean ] MM: Next Single [diamondmask@juno.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:03:59 -0300 From: David Lewis Subject: MM: Mama Kin Plans Hi All, Who's all going to the Mama Kin gig next week in Boston? I was wondering if anyone would like to make plans to meet up. Dave - ------------------------- David Lewis Digital & Print Media Design dlewis@hfx.andara.com - ------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:39:09 -0700 From: Elaine Bean Subject: MM: Possible meeting for Mama Kin Show David Lewis wrote: wondering if > anyone would like to make plans to meet up. Hi David and everyone going to the show in Boston, Sorry for posting to the list - I was going to do this privately, but I lost all the emails of those going to the show, but lots of people are going to see Patty on the 19th at Mama Kin. Someone suggested meeting at the Boston Beer Works, 61 Brookline Ave., 536-2337, as it is near the club. It was also suggested that you get tothe club about 45 minutes to an hour before, in order to get good seats. The show starts at 9:00 pm. I'd like to be at Boston Beer Works at 5:30-6:00. I've never been here, but I'm assuming you can get food here. Anyone know for sure? Should we plan on meeting here, or can anyone offer any other suggestions? :) Elaine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:23:03 EDT From: CornflkGl@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Possible meeting for Mama Kin Show In a message dated 8/11/98 11:01:54 AM, you wrote: << I've never been here, but I'm assuming you can get food here. >> Yes, Boston Beerworks has food :). Good food, might I add, and a nice atmophere. it's a short walk from the beerworks to Mama Kin's, and there also just happens to be a parking lot right after Beerworks on the right. Don't plan on parking on the street- there's next to NO parking and since that's the area with a bunch of nightclubs, the spots are always taken up by cars & limos. The area itself is confusing to drive in, and you may have to drive around Botson Common a couple of times before you figure out where you're going, so my main suggestion is, if nothing else, get there while it's still light out and you can see where you're going !! I wish I could be there... have fun guys :( Rachel :D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:31:06 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: MM: News & input from Mad-Mishers desired from Patty's manager :-) Hi folks :-) First, a news tidbit. It looks like that in a month or so, they are going to release "One Big Love" (OBL) to the all of the Top 40 stations....the previous release of OBL wasn't to Top 40 per say....when the advance CD of Flaming Red went out to the media in April, a CD single copy of OBL also went out to key "top 40's" and some key stations in all formats in all of the bigger radio markets. They now want to push it in all markets and to all the Top 40 stations. So air play SHOULD skyrocket soon!! :-) Watch her fly! OK....here's what's up....Michael Baker has asked me to get input from all of you as to what song on Flaming Red do you feel should be the SECOND single to be released and why. I guess they are perhaps torn between a few choices and maybe with some quality input from core fans, their decision may be easier :-) That's it, plain and simple. Please reply to the list with your answer :-) Mike :-) * The Patty Griffin/Mad-Mission@smoe List Homepage is at: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/pattyg.htm * * Rachel Martin's Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive is at * http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/3079/patty.html * * Jerry Zigmont's Flaming Red - A Patty Griffin Website is at * http://w3.nai.net/~zigmont * * DuckOfPrey or WhyADuck55 on AOL or AOL Instant Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:41:07 -0400 From: Christopher Phillips Subject: MM: 2nd Single-Christina My vote for the 2nd single would have to go to "Christina." It's quite infectious (in a certain manner.) Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:46:05 EDT From: Rkbeachbum@aol.com Subject: MM: 2nd song for release Two songs that i find myself singing over and over are "Tony" and "Blue Sky" - they have great hooks. The whole album is amazing - but for radio, those two might be good. Thanks for asking our opinion! rebecca in santa monica ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:47:40 EDT From: Stevshep2@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: next patti single I> OK....here's what's up....Michael Baker has asked me to get input from all > of you as to what song on Flaming Red do you feel should be the SECOND > single to be released and why Blue Sky. It's my fav on the CD. It's rocks, but still has enough of a pop feel to appeal to a mass audience. The chorus has a dreamy floating kinda hook. steven ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:47:31 +0000 From: Charl Kroeger Subject: MM: New single.... Hi all, Firstly let me tell you guys that may be interested: you can get OBL on single ($6.00 + $3.00 p&p) from www.Brouhahacd.com, mine arrived yesterday, and while the mixes are not earthshatteringly different to the album track it is nonetheless of interest to any collector. There are basically 3 mixes of OBL on the single which is packaged in a really bright typical-to-the-album red cover. Also if anyone is interested, at www.tunnelrecords.com, you can get the following (assuming that they have stock): 1. "Every Little Bit" SPECIAL PACKAGE $7.00 2. "Let Him Fly"(2 Mixes) "Every Little Bit" $6.00 3. "Moses", "Mad Mission", "Let Him Fly", "Every Little Bit" $6.00 Next, to the new single: my vote would be for either: a) Tony - 'cos it's a subject close to a lot of people and aside from being an awesome song in all aspects, it's a really relevant topic to get "out there" or b) Blue Sky - this has to be my second favorite on the FR album and in fact is probably more radio friendly than Tony. I love the way it effortlessly rolls along. It could be a very good follow-up to OBL. Mike, is there any way that you can communicate to the management that it would be a really cool idea to add unreleased songs as the 2nd, 3rd and 4th tracks on CD singles? I am sure that they are aware how avidly mishers collect the rarities and this would be a cool way for us to get hold of that stuff and support Patty's career all in one! So what do all you other mishers think for the new single? Charl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:53:36 EDT From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: MM: RE: Next single feedback Hi all, Since the very first listen, I felt "Blue Sky" was the most immediately accessible song on Flaming Red. It's not my favorite track, but after MANY listenings I still think it is the most radio friendly. One good question deserves another! What other "non-FR" tracks were recorded during the sessions that may be considered as extra tracks on this next single? ;-) Alan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:59:35 EDT From: CornflkGl@aol.com Subject: MM: next single... I'm gonna go against the grain here, incur everyone's wrath, and vote for "Wiggley Fingers". We're talking top 40 here, not easy listening. I think "Blue Sky" would do all right in an adult soft-rock market, but she'll end up as one of those "oh, yeah, that's a nice song, but I don't remember who sings it" artists. BUT- is Wiggley Fingers is released- she'll not only grab attention, I think it'll prove that she's not to be taken lightly. While it's not consistent with her "old style", I've heard her perform it accoustic many times pre-Flaming Red, and it was ALWAYS my favorite and the song I'd request when I saw her. Let Patty kick some ass. It's her right. Rachel :D, feeling feisty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:07:51 -0400 From: Paul Mays Subject: MM: Second Single Release My vote would be for "Tony". I know this would create a stir on radio for some but if there has EVER been a better song written (and sung) about not fitting in then I've never heard it! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:15:52 -0400 From: elaine bean Subject: MM: PG's writing abilities From the Dar list: >She (Patty Griffin) is every bit as good a writer as Dar. WOW, WHAT A COMPLIMENT! What a nice, BUT toally TRUE thing to say. Patty Griffin is really held in high esteem, huh? She's such a talent. Elaine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:20:13 +1000 From: "COLE,Iain" Subject: MM: RE: next single... "I'm gonna go against the grain here, incur everyone's wrath, and vote for > "Wiggley Fingers". > > Rachel :D, feeling feisty" > Yep, I have to agree with this choice.. While I love "Tony", I don't think that the "mass produced" stations here would play it, JJJ (Youth Radio), would but the others would run a mile. regards, Iain I don't suffer from stress. I'm merely a carrier ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:35:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen V. Gilmore" Subject: MM: Re: PattyG-News: News & input from Mad-Mishers desired from Patty's manager :-) Tony On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Mike Connell wrote: > OK....here's what's up....Michael Baker has asked me to get input from all > of you as to what song on Flaming Red do you feel should be the SECOND > single to be released and why. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:43:26 -0700 (PDT) From: hooligan Subject: MM: Re: News & input from Mad-Mishers desired from Patty's manager :-) if the next release is going for a top 40 kinda thing, I'd vote for Change or Carry Me. if it's to be geared toward the AAA/Americana format, I pick Chirstina. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:35:37 EDT From: Cre8beauty@aol.com Subject: MM: blue sky should be the next single i certainly vote for blue sky...it has a good length, a good catchy chorus, not hard to get into, it repeats words from the first verses in a later verse (making it more listener friendly and more memorable)...the guy who plays rhythm guitar in patty's band wanted tony to be the next single but i think it wouldn't fly near as well as blue sky... a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:50:40 -0400 From: caroline bonnivier Subject: MM: second single its funny this topic should be floating around...today i was driving back home down the mass pike, and i was somewhere between exits 7 and 8 and i was flipping through the radio stations. well, i heard "change" on some station, 100.7 and since i am not from that area, i have no idea where it was out of but my guess would be springfield or hartford or something because before the song was even over, it was so staticy that i had to change it. anyway, i was excited to hear a new song and was dying to get back here and post this, but i was really suprised to hear "change" was on the radio. its an ok song, but my vote for a second single would have to be "tony". peace and stuff caroline ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:01:38 EDT From: Mystchif1@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: News & input from Mad-Mishers desired from Patty's manager :-) Since we're talking relatabilty for the masses here I'd have to go with "Goodbye" Almost everyone can relate to losing a loved one and this song sums up the feelings as well as any other. Remember how successful Mariah Carey and Boyz II Men were with the topic??? ~Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:51:27 -0700 From: "Larry S. Greenfield" Subject: MM: Re: News & input from Mad-Mishers desired from Patty's manager :-) AWRIGHT!! INPUT!!!! I vote for "Change" No, wait, I vote for "Mary" No, no, wait, I vote for "Flaming Red" No, um wait? "Blue Sky"? hmmm. Any one'll do! Mike Connell wrote: > OK....here's what's up....Michael Baker has asked me to get input from all > of you as to what song on Flaming Red do you feel should be the SECOND > single to be released and why. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:19:09 -0400 (EDT) From: AloanStar@webtv.net (Jeanne Pugh) Subject: MM: Next release from FR (per Mike) My favorites are hard to pick, but if I had to pick then Tony would be it....but then Mary runs a close second....then Blue Sky...then there's always Christina...and you can't forget about Goodbye or Carry Me, but Change would also be a good one.... I hate to make choices.... especially when they are all so good. Well, I tried. Jeanne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:20:33 -0700 From: "Victoria Chenevey" Subject: MM: Re: blue sky should be the next single I vote for Blue Sky, too. Even if it is "radio friendly", it's my fave. Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:58:05 EDT From: JessBartn@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: 2nd song Lets give the radio listeners of 1998 some credit for following a music evolution. I say go with Wiggly Fingers...it's perfect for the large crowd of Tori, Alanis, Meredith, Sarah, Natalie fans...and shows off Patty's incredible passion. Jess~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:29:37 -0400 (EDT) From: AloanStar@webtv.net (Jeanne Pugh) Subject: MM: Lilith Fair tickets for Great Woods I was wondering if anyone wanting to go to Lilith Fair at Great Woods on Wed. Aug. 12th would be interested in 2 tickets for that show. I would be willing to let them go for less than I gave just so they don't go to waste. They are in sec. 8, row CC. It anyone is interested, let me know so I can get them to you....time is running out..... Thanks, Jeanne AloanStar@webtv.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:32:43 -0300 From: David Lewis Subject: MM: Next Single I agree with Rachel. My first thought was Blue Sky because of it's commercial sound. However, while I love the crunchy guitars of the verses, the chorus is just a little too sugary and, ultimately, doesn't make a very strong impression. It's just a little too "vanilla". Also, OBL is very commercial sounding itself. A bit of a change for the next single would be nice. Wiggly Fingers is loud, sexy, unique, funny and really shows off Patty's voice. It's more "chocolate" =) Also, just imagine all those radio listeners hearing Patty squeal at the end...a squeal that Janice Joplin herself would have been proud of, and thinking... holly shit! Who is this girl!? Wow! But actually, you almost can't go wrong. Almost all of the tunes on the album would make a good single... aside from perhaps Big Daddy, Peter Pan and Go Now. Blue Sky is the obvious choice, but Wiggley would be cool. I would save a slower tune for the third single (Christina?). I love Tony too of course, it's my favorite song on the CD, but maybe it's a bit too loud for top 40 radio. I also wonder if Tony was the poor guy's real name. If it was, can you imagine being Tony's Mom or Dad, hearing that tune on the radio one day and then hearing that the artist was Patty Griffin... a name you recognize as someone who was a classmate of your son? Hmm. I guess if I were making the decision to release Tony as a single, I'd want to sort something like that out first. There's no question though that it is an awesome song. Anyway, this is a very hard question. I love the whole CD. I would say that Wiggly would be a good choice though. My top three picks would be Wiggle, Christina and Blue Sky... Change would be good too. Dave - ------------------------- David Lewis Digital & Print Media Design dlewis@hfx.andara.com - ------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:59:40 -0400 From: Elaine Bean Subject: MM: 2nd choice for release TONYTONYTONYTONYTONYTONYTONYTONYTONYTONY OR FLAMINGREDFLAMINGREDFLAMINGREDFLAMINGRED ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:12:37 -0700 From: diamondmask@juno.com Subject: MM: Next Single Without a doubt............. Tony. Why? Because it's topical. It's real, It happens, It's honest, and it shows that Patti isn't afraid of tackling a tough subject. It's a song about pain and not saying anything. It's simple, direct, and powerful. Maybe the most powerful on the album. In Seattle, there is a station, KMTT, (The Mountain) that had Patti live in it's music lounge. They are re-playing that broadcast at 9 tonight. The DJ's and the station were so impressed with Patti's live performance. (She did Wiggly Fingers and One Real Love. WF just effing rocks!!!) Anyway, that's my vote. Tony. For those of us who now wish we had been more observant and reached out a little more. For all of us. john in sumner wa _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #231 *********************************