From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #219 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, July 30 1998 Volume 02 : Number 219 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Careless Oversight [C Israelson ] MM: Those Un-PC Lyrics [C Israelson ] Re: MM: Music lists. [C Israelson ] MM: Technical Question [Mott_Jennifer%PAX4A@mr.nawcad.navy.mil] RE: MM: RE: Location, location, location [Mott_Jennifer%PAX4A@mr.nawcad.n] RE: MM: Music lists. [hakmusic@juno.com (Harry A Keates)] Re: MM: Technical Question [CornflkGl@aol.com] Re: MM: Music lists. [CornflkGl@aol.com] MM: Dislikes and Disappointments [Mark Cicero ] MM: location and favs. [Rich Church ] MM: RE: Music lists. [Ashley Tsongas ] MM: Re: Dislikes and Disappointments ["Mike Gorecki" ] Fwd: MM: Dislikes and Disappointments ["Amy Emerman" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:23:11 -0700 From: C Israelson Subject: MM: Careless Oversight Hadn't listened to LWG much since FR's release, so decided to bring it along for today's 150-mile round trip to Orange County (CA, that is). Too far from home to turn back, I opened the jewel case--empty!!! The culprit was my 13-year-old daughter, who just loves "Poor Man's House." Oh well, gave me a chance to think about my own list of music currently competing with Patty for time on the ol' CD player: Barenaked Ladies - Gordon B-52s - Cosmic Thing Greg Brown - In The Dark With You (Just A Bum!) Johnny Cash - American Recordings (Delia's Gone) Leonard Cohen - I'm Your Man (Everybody Knows) Steve Earle - Essential Steve Earle Emmylou Harris - Cowgirl's Prayer (Prayer In Open D is exquisite) John Hiatt - Slow Turning Los Lobos - How Will The Wolf Survive (I Got Loaded) Van Morrison - Best Of... Randy Newman - Sail Away (Political Science) Graham Parker - Struck By Lightning (a consistent and mature work that would be worth price of admission for "The Kid With The Butterfly Net" [featuring guest violinist Jay Ungar] alone) GP's last 3 albums were released by Razor & Tie, meaning he's now in the same stable as Dar Williams Prince (TAFKAP, whatever) - The Hits 2 Proclaimers - Sunshine On Leith (love those accents!) Todd Snider - Songs For The Daily Planet (Alright Guy--thanks, KSCA!) Of course, man (well, at least this one) cannot live on introspection alone, so I'm also liable to sneak in Third Eye Blind, Smashmouth, Chumbawamba, Everclear, Collective Soul, Harvey Danger, Sublime, even (gasp) Hanson. Did I mention I have a teenaged daughter? In case you were wondering how I went from being ignorant of Dar Williams' gender to knowing her record label in less than a week, I heeded the advice of two fellow MM'ers and purchased Mortal City Tuesday night. After two complete spins, there's definitely a lot to like but I can't say I'm smitten yet. It'll stay in heavy rotation, though. Larry I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:10:55 -0700 From: C Israelson Subject: MM: Those Un-PC Lyrics Can't understand the fuss. I think the terms "fag/faggot" in "Tony" refer to how society at large sees him and how he sees himself, NOT how the narrator/Patty sees him. This seems comparable to the following excerpt from Graham Parker's "Soul Corruption," which was banned from MTV (as if they would have played it anyway!): You think you pull the trigger But you're only a target They'll never let any nigger in Why d'ya think it's called The White House? The n-word's about as inflammatory as they come, but anyone who's listened to GP rail against war, wife-beaters, televangelists, radio programmers, etc. knows the man is no racist. And, I don't see how any rational listener could conclude that Patty is somehow insensitive to the gay community, either. Right? Larry I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:26:43 -0700 From: C Israelson Subject: Re: MM: Music lists. Although I find your "Emmy, babe" comment a tad harsh, I have to agree that I, too, was somewhat let down by "Wrecking Ball." The preceding CD, though, is one of my all-time faves. "Cowgirl's Prayer" contains some of the most moving songs I have ever heard (spiritual in the best sense) and she E-N-U-N-C-I-A-T-E-S, too! Larry I You wrote: > "Wrecking Ball" (uh, Emmy, babe, you been taking diction lessons from Darius > "Hootie" Rucker? May I make a suggestion? Move your lips when you sing and > E-N-U-N-C-I-A-T-E). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:12:00 -0500 (EST) From: Mott_Jennifer%PAX4A@mr.nawcad.navy.mil Subject: MM: Technical Question I have a technical question for all of you out there. When you receive posts from this list, do they say the name of the author, or do they all come from "owner-list", as mine do? I have had this problem (if it is indeed a problem) once before on another list, and it is a pain because I cannot respond to only the author, if I choose. Any thoughts? Thanks. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:03:00 -0500 (EST) From: Mott_Jennifer%PAX4A@mr.nawcad.navy.mil Subject: RE: MM: RE: Location, location, location I am in Southern Maryland, out in the booneys. Jen ---------- From: "owner-mad-mission"@smoe.org@PMDF@PAXMB1 To: Mott Jennifer; "mad-mission"@smoe.org@PMDF@PAXMB1 Subject: MM: RE: Location, location, location... Date: Wednesday, July 29, 1998 4:29PM <> I'm here in the culturally challenged suburbs of Baltimore. -----Original Message----- From: DragonGrrl [mailto:ramoth@sonic.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 1998 3:27 PM To: Mad Ears With Feet Subject: MM: Location, location, location... Hello again. (: I'm curious now...it is my impression that a lot of you mad mishers are on the east coast. I'm wondering how many of you are out here on the west coast? Has anyone done a location survey of the list yet? Sorry if this question has been posted before. DragonGrrl -- ************************************************************************ ****** Anyone who keeps the ability to see beauty is never old. -Franz Kafka ************************************************************************ ****** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:53:14 -0400 From: hakmusic@juno.com (Harry A Keates) Subject: RE: MM: Music lists. >. Emmylou Harris' >"Wrecking Ball" (uh, Emmy, babe, you been taking diction lessons from Darius >"Hootie" Rucker? May I make a suggestion? Move your lips when you sing and >E-N-U-N-C-I-A-T-E). Hey RG, I'd recommend giving this one a little more time, it may take a few listens to get used to it, but I think if you give it a chance, you will end up loving it. I think it is an amazing album. It is kind of like Iris Dement. Many people have a hard time with her on first listen because of her vocal style, but if you listen to her albums a few times, they just pull you in, and it is well worth the effort. - - Harry _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:23:32 EDT From: CornflkGl@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Technical Question In a message dated 7/30/98 9:30:26, you wrote: << When you receive posts from this list, do they say the name of the author, or do they all come from "owner-list", as mine do? I have had this problem (if it is indeed a problem) once before on another list, and it is a pain because I cannot respond to only the author, if I choose. Any thoughts?>> Yep, everybody gets the posts that way. BUT when you hit "reply", the address that comes up in your "To:" line will be the original autor of the email. Then if you want to post to the list too, you can CC it by hand. I like the list MUCH better this way than with an automatic reply-to-list... I really think it saves us tons of space that would be taken up by posts that SHOULD be private replies. Rachel :D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:26:38 EDT From: CornflkGl@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Music lists. In a message dated 7/29/98 23:24:45, you wrote: <> You know, maybe we as a list can figure out some kind of trade policy. God knows there are artists many of you mentioned in your "favorite music" lists that I really can't stand, so it's not like we all have the same taste... I have a few CDs that came highly recommended, but I just can't stand. One by Lea Andreone, one by Patty Rothberg. Anyone feel like doing a trade for something THEY didn't like ? For the love of God, no Ellis Paul or Sheryl Crow ... Rachel :D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:04:33 -0500 From: Mark Cicero Subject: MM: Dislikes and Disappointments I have to agree with the person that posted about "Wrecking Ball". As much as I try I can't get into it. And God knows I've given it a fair shot. Other disapointments: 1. Fiona Apple (how did this woman get a recording contract? no vocal range, a forced vibrato and needs vocal lessons) 2. New Marc Cohn (Patty's back up vocals are the best thing on the record. It's just soooooo boring) 3. New Tori Amos (too dark - the Lyrics read like they were written by someone on an LSD trip. For the record I love here other stuff) 4. Natalie Imbruglia ( overall a very pleasent CD but very bland, all the songs sound the same) 5. Natalie Merchant (is it too much effort for her to actually vocalize - - she seems to talk most of her lyrics I suspect she has a pretty good voice if she would just use it.) 6. Lea Andreone (give me a break, I put her in the same catagory as Fiona Apple) 7. Jil Sobuel (I can't figure it out - she just annoys me - not much of a voice either) 8. Stevie Nicks (she must have been Fiona's vocal teacher, which would explain Fiona's forced vibrato) 9. Anngun (great voice ! Her CD is WAY over produced - only two really good songs on the CD) 10. Last but, by all means, not least is Ms. Streisand. (great voice - but she makes me puke!!) When I think of the above artists it makes Patty and her music that much more important. Every once in the while a true talent emerges and really sets the standard for quality. I sure I've included someone on my list that someone absolutely adores. But before you flame me please understand that it's just my opinion, and we know what they say about opinions. I am no expert, but I know what I like and dislike. Regards, Mark Nashville,TN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:26:27 -0500 From: Rich Church Subject: MM: location and favs. Great Lakes BABY! A handfull or artist I am currently listening to a lot... Barenaked Ladies - can't go wrong with these guys! a band with a sense of humor, excellent diverse musical styles, and a GREAT live band. Just had a few listens to their new release, would recommend 2 of their albums for a listen. GORDON, or BORN ON A PIRATE SHIP. These Cannucks can really kick some butt! Bruce Cockburn - just discovering this guy who's been around for over 20 years. He also happens to be Canadian. His latest release - a short live set called PAY YOUR MONEY AND TAKE YOUR CHANCE is EXCELLENT! You must rush out and have a listen to this at once!!! BoDeans - homegrown boys. JOE DIRT CAR, 2disc live package. A MUST HAVE! great party tunes, or for nice long drives... Bill Miller - Bill has 2 releases that I know of, RAVEN IN THE SNOW (his latest and a wonderful record! and THE RED ROAD (also good). Bill is more folkish, rocky or traditional. Jon Trudell - really is spoken word to some nice rock-n-rollish background music. Jon Trudell also has 2 releases that I know of, A.K.A. GRAFITTI MAN, and JOHNNY DAMAS AND ME. I recommend either, but I think I like Johnny better. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:49:41 -0700 From: Ashley Tsongas Subject: MM: RE: Music lists. Yesterday I took my big ol list and my girlfriend to the music store. We grabbed stacks of used cd's off the shelf (realizing quickly how annoying it was to have the artists alphabetical by first name -- sorry), and sat down and listened to them in store. The guy who had to unwrap and rewrap all the cds got a little frustrated -- oops. But we found some great music. There were some surprises -- I have to say that I didn't like Ellis Paul or David Wilcox, which shocked me given their great reviews. And quite a few others didn't make the cut. Passed the test: Gillian Welsh -- wow. great voice, beautiful lyrics. In the muddle of different cds and voices, she sounded so clean and pure. The Nields -- can't believe I've never heard them before. Funny. Just damn good music. Joy Askew -- does the luscious voice and sounds thing without over doing it. Still enough grit in there to keep the music human. Everything but the Girl -- saw it used. Should be on the list. Alishia's Attic -- this was a girlfriend pick. Recognized them from the Lilith Sampler. I kept thinking about Tank Girl. btw, I love the quote of the day. > -----Original Message----- > From: Rongrittz@aol.com [SMTP:Rongrittz@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 1998 7:37 PM > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: MM: Music lists. > > Laurel writes: >> I really enjoy this faves listing thing - I am > always > looking for new > music! << > > I agree in some respects, but I've also gotta confess something. > There's > nothing that makes me want to temporarily UNs_bscribe to a mailing > list MORE > than these periodic "So What Music Do You Like?" threads. These lists > simply > don't help me in my search for new music. See, it doesn't do anyone > any good > to simply read a list of your favorite 20 or so artists. How about > brief > descriptions about what MAKES these artists special to you, so that > the > listers might have some idea of WHY they should check 'em out? > > See, there's a lot of BAD music being made out there, too, and if my > local CD > store didn't have its "You Can Return It Just Because You Hate It" > policy, I'd > hesitate to take a chance on a lotta stuff. Heck, recently I've had a > run of > bad luck, only made palatable by my ability to get my $13 back. Nanci > Griffith's "Other Voices, Too." Mare Winningham's "Lonesomers" > (highly touted > on the Dar Williams list, but nothing to write home about). Emmylou > Harris' > "Wrecking Ball" (uh, Emmy, babe, you been taking diction lessons from > Darius > "Hootie" Rucker? May I make a suggestion? Move your lips when you > sing and > E-N-U-N-C-I-A-T-E). > > So how about doing a little public service with your lists, and tell > us WHY > the artists on your lists move you . . . or what you consider to be > their > essential CDs . . . or ANYTHING other than just a list of names? Know > what I > mean? > > RG, friendly list curmudgeon > > Quote of the day: "If you can't be a good example, at least be a > horrible > warning." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:54:30 -0700 From: "Mike Gorecki" Subject: MM: Re: Dislikes and Disappointments amen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:06:09 PDT From: "Amy Emerman" Subject: Fwd: MM: Dislikes and Disappointments ya can't love 'em all. I saw Heather Nova play live at a Starbucks/Lilith gig, and was not particularly impressed. Do not own any of her CD's except for an autographed promo CD of her new single, which I don't plan on ever listening to. I thought shew as an unknown, but people on this list seem to have heard of her, probably from all the Lilith publicity. She seemed to skinny and her songs seemed bland. Vocals, performance, etc. all seemed mediocre. Dar Williams was at her best on MORTAL CITY. End of The Summer was a biggie disappointment for me. I kind of lost interest...although I would still go to her performances at folk festivals. Just wouldn't go out of my way. After getting into Patty, Shawn Colvin lulls me to sleep. Yet, I would never trade in my Live '88 or Cover Girl CDs, as well as several songs off of Fat City. "New Thing Now' and the overplayed "Sunny Came Home" were the only songs I liked off her last one. Lisa Loeb continues to bore me (especially lyrically), although she has a pretty voice. I'm also sick of Ani DiFranco, and Tori Amos' new album I was so bored and unimpressed with I couldn't even listen to it once...waste of money. For all the hype, the Lilith Fair CD was not that astounding, although I still love the whole concept of Lilith Fair, and almost had an orgasm when I went to Lilith Fair a few weeks ago. That's it for now! Amy (in an aloof, unimpressed mood) >From amy_emerman@timeinc.com Thu Jul 30 08:28:04 1998 >Received: from ecsmtp.twi.com by gate.twi.com > via smtpd (for mail.hotmail.com [209.1.112.253]) with SMTP; 30 Jul 1998 15:27:55 UT >Received: from mime.timeinc.com by ecsmtp.twi.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) > id LAA06233; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:25:21 -0400 >From: Amy_Emerman@timeinc.com >Received: by mime.timeinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP MTA v1.1.04 (495.1 10-24-1997)) id 85256651.0054F9E5 ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:28:09 -0400 >X-Lotus-FromDomain: TIME_INC >To: amye6@hotmail.com >Message-ID: <85256651.0054D7C2.00@mime.timeinc.com> >Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:22:45 -0400 >Subject: MM: Dislikes and Disappointments >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > >--------------- cc:Mail Forwarded --------------- >From: MC1@wallerlaw.com AT TIME_INC >Date: 07/30/98 10:04 AM >To: mad-mission@smoe.org AT TIME_INC >Cc: >Subject: MM: Dislikes and Disappointments > > > >I have to agree with the person that posted about "Wrecking Ball". As >much as I try I can't get into it. And God knows I've given it a fair >shot. > >Other disapointments: > >1. Fiona Apple (how did this woman get a recording contract? no vocal >range, a forced vibrato and needs vocal lessons) >2. New Marc Cohn (Patty's back up vocals are the best thing on the >record. It's just soooooo boring) >3. New Tori Amos (too dark - the Lyrics read like they were written by >someone on an LSD trip. For the record I love here other stuff) >4. Natalie Imbruglia ( overall a very pleasent CD but very bland, all >the songs sound the same) >5. Natalie Merchant (is it too much effort for her to actually vocalize >- she seems to talk most of her lyrics I suspect she has a pretty >good voice if she would just use it.) >6. Lea Andreone (give me a break, I put her in the same catagory as >Fiona Apple) >7. Jil Sobuel (I can't figure it out - she just annoys me - not much of >a voice either) >8. Stevie Nicks (she must have been Fiona's vocal teacher, which would >explain Fiona's forced vibrato) >9. Anngun (great voice ! Her CD is WAY over produced - only two really >good songs on the CD) >10. Last but, by all means, not least is Ms. Streisand. (great voice - >but she makes me puke!!) > >When I think of the above artists it makes Patty and her music that much >more important. Every once in the while a true talent emerges and >really sets the standard for quality. > >I sure I've included someone on my list that someone absolutely adores. >But before you flame me please understand that it's just my opinion, and >we know what they say about opinions. I am no expert, but I know what I >like and dislike. > >Regards, >Mark >Nashville,TN > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #219 *********************************