From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #214 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Tuesday, July 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 214 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: The Rarities tape [Mystchif1@aol.com] MM: dar and ellis paul (NPC) [caroline bonnivier ] MM: my (non-patty) musical loves [NomiM@aol.com] Re: MM: a patty guitar tab page?? [CornflkGl@aol.com] MM: Other Artists [CornflkGl@aol.com] Re: MM: Cheryl Wheeler ["Sean Palen" ] Re: MM: Other Artists [podkayne@bennington.edu] MM: Re: my (non-patty) musical loves ["John C. Bryan III" ] MM: RE: Re: my (non-patty) musical loves ["Paquin, John" Subject: MM: dar and ellis paul (NPC) hey...i have to agree with stephanie on this...i absolutely love all of dar's cds and mortal city is my favorite. i dont think end of the summer is super over produced but i do see what youre saying about it being more produced than the others. i find the songs on end of the summer to be much catchier though (think "what do you hear in these sounds", "party generation", etc) just wanted to mention one more thing, about ellis pauls new cd...my fiance and i just got his advance cd last week and have been listening to it constantly, its really incredible, he always manages to outdo himself and his last cd...and anyway, dar sings backup on the most incredible song (imo) "angel in manhattan"...release date is september 15th...look for it...he also has two before carnival ('stories' and 'say something')... peace and stuff to everyone caroline chick in charge http://www.guppy22.com the guppy 22 corporation 259 walnut street suite 2 newton MA 02460 ph 617.527.7766 ext 5 fx 617.527.7074 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 02:43:52 EDT From: NomiM@aol.com Subject: MM: my (non-patty) musical loves since you asked the question, and I too am intersted in other people's responses here are my top ten faves these days, in no particular order: Lori McKenna (a little local boston person, she totally rocks) Jonatha Brooke Ani DiFranco Dar Williams Melissa Ferrick Suzanne Vega Van Morrison Indigo Girls Joan Baez Adrianne (another local) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:26:36 EDT From: CornflkGl@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: a patty guitar tab page?? In a message dated 7/27/98 1:17:29, you wrote: << i would gladly run it if people can contribute tabs....i know that we already have a few, and thats a start, so what do ya think??>> There's this huge online database that used to have some Patty tabs in it, but it was shut down by the record companies. From what I remember, it only had 2 or 3 songs in it. Other than that, Patty tabs seem to be REALLY rare :). Good luck ! Let me know the URL if you do it so I can link to it from the lyrics archive :). Rachel :D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:51:17 EDT From: CornflkGl@aol.com Subject: MM: Other Artists When I get really into an artist, I tend to get stuck on them- I listen to them, and only them, for whole months ( even years ) and am completely oblivious to all the music that's happening around me. That being said : Jewel ( pre-"Who Will Save Your Soul" ) Moxy Fruxous ( the best, best, BEST ) Ben Folds Five ( they rock ! ) Tori Amos The Rugburns and/or Steve Poltz Kinnie Starr ( Canadian- she's amazing ) ABBA ( sick but true ) Indigo Girls Paula Cole Simon & Garfunkel Billy Joel ( blame my New York boyfriend ) Then after that there are a million bands that I WANT to start getting into, but I don' have the $$ to buy the CDs, so I feel like a hypocrtie listing them :). Rachel :D The Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive htp://www.geocities.com/~cornflake_girl/patty.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 06:59:14 PDT From: "Sean Palen" Subject: Re: MM: Cheryl Wheeler I am a Cheryl Wheeler fan, I actually picked up an old record of hers for a buck and I feel bad about not listening to it. I hear she is a great live performer, with tons of great material. For all Patty fans, pick up the On a Winters Night compilation by Christine Lavin, it has David Wilcox, Hugh Blumfield, Christine Lavin, Cheryl Wheeler, John Gorks, etc. it rocks(not literally). I'd stroongly recommend that to all listers. sean >From: "Bill Diekmann" >To: "Patty List" >Subject: MM: Cheryl Wheeler >Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:57:21 -0500 > >Dana mentioned Cheryl Wheeler in a previous post. Now that is a woman who >can write!!!! She does some hilarious stuff and her "sentimental" stuff is >some of the best I have ever heard in my life. Any other Cheryl fans out >there? To keep it Patty related, who went to the St Louis show? I was >moving furniture and sweating and dirty or I might have went, but I'll be >happy to wait until she headlines somewhere. >Bill >(trying to get used to my new computer room) > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:28:51 -0400 From: podkayne@bennington.edu Subject: Re: MM: Other Artists Another Moxy fan! Yeah! Apparently they're going to release Wood and the B Album in the US soon. . . . Besides Patty, Ellis Paul, and Dar Williams I'm really into Ani DiFranco, Barenaked Ladies, Juliana Hatfield, Joni Mitchell, Mary Lou Lord, Paul Simon, Bruce Springsteen, Tori, Sarah, and the Indigo Girls. There you go. Stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:27:25 -0400 From: "John C. Bryan III" Subject: MM: Re: my (non-patty) musical loves Top 10 favorites in no particular order followed by a Patty live story: 1. Steve Earle 2. Cheri Knight 3. Daniel Lanois 4. Van Morrison 5. Kevin Welch 6. Sheryl Crow 7. Kim Richey 8. Whiskeytown 9. Chris Knight 10. Kieran Kane I saw Patty play a small venue in Pgh. about 2 months ago. Probably 350 people all seated at tables. There were about 10 rows of chairs on the dance floor up front. I had a little party before-hand for about 15 friends who love music but had never really heard much of Patty's material. She opened with "Sweet Loraine", followed by "Poor Man's House"....It was unbelievable how Patty totally mesmerized the entire crowd....It was a very communal experience....but, all of the sudden after the applause, a black guy started yelling "you go girl" and "whoa baby"....the guy was obviously drunk, and Patty kind of laughed and said "well, you're not shy"...As she started to play "Goodbye" this guy shouted over the acoustic opening "no, I'm not shy, I ain't afraid, I'm coming up front"..he staggered up through the middle isle of chairs on the dance floor directly in front of Patty....She kind of watched him coming toward her, and even looked around a little bit and backed up...she looked scared and pissed...he started dancing to "Goodbye" (if you can imagine that), plus he started running his fingers thru his own hair, arm-pits and groin , blowing kisses in the air....this was extremely distracting, offensive and annoying. There weren't any bouncers in the bar, and I started to get really angry b/c this guy was ruining the mood that Patty had created....she only really looked at him once or twice during "Goodbye".....the rest of the song, her eyes were staring beyond/thru the audience, focused on something that seemed to be 5 miles away..... Anyhow, as the song ended he continued to shout to Patty "you beautiful, baby", "your bad, baby".....she kind of looked at her band mates, and then looked out into the audience and crinkled her eyebrows, and then shrugged her shoulders....at this point I yelled out to the guy to sit down please, and he turned around and looked at me and said "I'll come sit with you, is that what you want?" Patty then cranked it up into full-gear and sang "Does anyone remember Tony?". I had an advance copy of the tape, so I knew the song. The guy tried to sit down on my lap, and I grabbed him by the arms, stood up and sat him down in my chair and walked over to the bar...to get a drink, and get away from this guy before I ended up in a fight...can you imagine getting in a fight at a Patty Griffin show? Anyhow, halfway thru the song the guy, along with the entire audience was back and focused on Patty, and she sang it with such passion, power, sadness and anger....it was truly magical, and when she sang "looked in the mirror...." for the last time, it was a very sobering and moving moment.....I walked back over to my seat and asked the guy If I could please have my chair back, and he kind of looked at me with some confused eyes and got up and walked over to the bar.....I know this all sounds kind of Hollywood, but there are some people on this list that were at the show.... I just thought I'd share this with you all....I'm pretty sure that almost no one in the crowd had heard "Tony" before (b/c the album wasn't out yet), and everyone was blown-away and looking around and whispering to each other when she finished it....I wonder what people were thinking....I wonder what the guy was thinking...I think I know what the song is about, but it is amazing how meaning in music can change based on inflection and emotions...also, when you first hear a song live, it is hard to digest verse lyrics....it is usually the chorus or the "hook" that you can make out and remember....I know that I was pretty mad, even a little bit enraged only 5 minutes before when the guy was trying to steal the show....when he tried to sit in my lap, I was really close to cracking my molars, b/c my jaw was clenched so tightly....but I kept my composure...then, during and just after the song, my emotions changed to sorrow, pity, and peace....its amazing the transcendence of music.... Elliot wrote, "music heard so deeply that you are the music while the music lasts.... - -----Original Message----- From: NomiM@aol.com To: mad-mission@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 2:46 AM Subject: MM: my (non-patty) musical loves >since you asked the question, and I too am intersted in other people's >responses >here are my top ten faves these days, in no particular order: >Lori McKenna (a little local boston person, she totally rocks) >Jonatha Brooke >Ani DiFranco >Dar Williams >Melissa Ferrick >Suzanne Vega >Van Morrison >Indigo Girls >Joan Baez >Adrianne (another local) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 08:49:34 -0700 From: "Victoria L. Chenevey" Subject: MM: RE: Re: my (non-patty) musical loves 1) why is it important to mention this fella's color? 2) I saw Patty in Hollywood at HOB, and nothing even remotely like this happened. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 08:57:31 -0700 From: Ashley Tsongas Subject: MM: RE: (non-patty) loves Even further off the subject... My search for new musicians somewhat satiated, I am starving for some new authors. While this may not seem the appropriate place to make such a request, I am not on a Anne Lammott, Toni Morrison or Dorothy Allison list (only so much time in a work day) and as Patty is as much about the words as the music (although the sum is greater than the parts).... Point, yes. I would love to know what some of you out there are reading. You can just respond to me so we don't annoy the list at large. I could make an "End of summer reading list" if anyone is interested. Thanks. ashley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:00:22 -0500 From: "Paquin, John" Subject: MM: RE: Re: my (non-patty) musical loves Some more artists to try out: 1. Heather Eaton 2. John Wesley Harding (especially It Happened One Night, and Why We Fight) 3. Candy Butchers (Mike Viola specifically) And some great albums: 1. Bruce Springsteen: The Ghost of Tom Joad (an acoustic masterpiece) 2. Jonatha Brooke: 10 Cent Wings 3. Aimee Mann: I'm With Stupid 4. Dar Williams: The End of the Summer - -----Original Message----- From: John C. Bryan III [mailto:johncbryan@email.msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 11:27 AM To: NomiM@aol.com; mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Re: my (non-patty) musical loves Top 10 favorites in no particular order followed by a Patty live story: 1. Steve Earle 2. Cheri Knight 3. Daniel Lanois 4. Van Morrison 5. Kevin Welch 6. Sheryl Crow 7. Kim Richey 8. Whiskeytown 9. Chris Knight 10. Kieran Kane I saw Patty play a small venue in Pgh. about 2 months ago. Probably 350 people all seated at tables. There were about 10 rows of chairs on the dance floor up front. I had a little party before-hand for about 15 friends who love music but had never really heard much of Patty's material. She opened with "Sweet Loraine", followed by "Poor Man's House"....It was unbelievable how Patty totally mesmerized the entire crowd....It was a very communal experience....but, all of the sudden after the applause, a black guy started yelling "you go girl" and "whoa baby"....the guy was obviously drunk, and Patty kind of laughed and said "well, you're not shy"...As she started to play "Goodbye" this guy shouted over the acoustic opening "no, I'm not shy, I ain't afraid, I'm coming up front"..he staggered up through the middle isle of chairs on the dance floor directly in front of Patty....She kind of watched him coming toward her, and even looked around a little bit and backed up...she looked scared and pissed...he started dancing to "Goodbye" (if you can imagine that), plus he started running his fingers thru his own hair, arm-pits and groin , blowing kisses in the air....this was extremely distracting, offensive and annoying. There weren't any bouncers in the bar, and I started to get really angry b/c this guy was ruining the mood that Patty had created....she only really looked at him once or twice during "Goodbye".....the rest of the song, her eyes were staring beyond/thru the audience, focused on something that seemed to be 5 miles away..... Anyhow, as the song ended he continued to shout to Patty "you beautiful, baby", "your bad, baby".....she kind of looked at her band mates, and then looked out into the audience and crinkled her eyebrows, and then shrugged her shoulders....at this point I yelled out to the guy to sit down please, and he turned around and looked at me and said "I'll come sit with you, is that what you want?" Patty then cranked it up into full-gear and sang "Does anyone remember Tony?". I had an advance copy of the tape, so I knew the song. The guy tried to sit down on my lap, and I grabbed him by the arms, stood up and sat him down in my chair and walked over to the bar...to get a drink, and get away from this guy before I ended up in a fight...can you imagine getting in a fight at a Patty Griffin show? Anyhow, halfway thru the song the guy, along with the entire audience was back and focused on Patty, and she sang it with such passion, power, sadness and anger....it was truly magical, and when she sang "looked in the mirror...." for the last time, it was a very sobering and moving moment.....I walked back over to my seat and asked the guy If I could please have my chair back, and he kind of looked at me with some confused eyes and got up and walked over to the bar.....I know this all sounds kind of Hollywood, but there are some people on this list that were at the show.... I just thought I'd share this with you all....I'm pretty sure that almost no one in the crowd had heard "Tony" before (b/c the album wasn't out yet), and everyone was blown-away and looking around and whispering to each other when she finished it....I wonder what people were thinking....I wonder what the guy was thinking...I think I know what the song is about, but it is amazing how meaning in music can change based on inflection and emotions...also, when you first hear a song live, it is hard to digest verse lyrics....it is usually the chorus or the "hook" that you can make out and remember....I know that I was pretty mad, even a little bit enraged only 5 minutes before when the guy was trying to steal the show....when he tried to sit in my lap, I was really close to cracking my molars, b/c my jaw was clenched so tightly....but I kept my composure...then, during and just after the song, my emotions changed to sorrow, pity, and peace....its amazing the transcendence of music.... Elliot wrote, "music heard so deeply that you are the music while the music lasts.... - -----Original Message----- From: NomiM@aol.com To: mad-mission@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 2:46 AM Subject: MM: my (non-patty) musical loves >since you asked the question, and I too am intersted in other people's >responses >here are my top ten faves these days, in no particular order: >Lori McKenna (a little local boston person, she totally rocks) >Jonatha Brooke >Ani DiFranco >Dar Williams >Melissa Ferrick >Suzanne Vega >Van Morrison >Indigo Girls >Joan Baez >Adrianne (another local) ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #214 *********************************