From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #179 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttour.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com/road/index.html * and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Friday, June 26 1998 Volume 02 : Number 179 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Cafe Milano recording? ["bfn1" ] MM: my take on FR after 2 days ["Bill Diekmann" ] Re: MM: my take on FR after 2 days [JohnRN23@aol.com] MM: my take on FR after 2 days -Reply [Mark Cicero ] Re: MM: my take on FR after 2 days [ZIAD_TOUBASSY@bm.com] MM: The Dirty Linen ["Stephen V. Gilmore" ] MM: Flaming Red and Rawkin'!!! [SteadyOnDC@aol.com] Re: MM: my take on FR after 2 days [Adangerz@aol.com] MM: Slightly Patty Related ["House, Steve, HOUSESH" ] Re: MM: my thoughts on FR (please read) ["Allan M. Ayres" Subject: MM: Cafe Milano recording? Hey everyone....I just wanted ask a BIG favor of anybody who has a recording of the 5/4/97 concert at Cafe Milano in Nashville. I must have a copy! This was the first time I ever saw Patty live, and I drove all the way from Chesapeake, VA to see here. (12 hour drive!) It was worth every mile! After the show, I asked the cafe CEO if I could have one of the promotional posters hanging in the window. She said "Sure! Want it signed?" I was SO excited. She introduced me to Patty's manager whom I talked with for about 10 minutes on stage after everyone had left. Then, when things had calmed down backstage, he invited me and my two friends back. I couldn't believe it. I got Patty to sign the poster and said a few words that were probably meaningless babble. When the moment was over, she stuck out her hand, wanting to shake mine....but I wanted a hug. haha. I stuck out my arms and she looked at me like I was some sort of freak, but she hugged me. I know she thought I was crazy. But that's OK. Then, I told her manager to bring her somewhere in Virginia and he said he would. Here comes the tragedy....She came to a 21+ club in Norfolk called Friar Tuck's. I would have found some way in (I'm only 20) had I not been on my way out of town since that morning. I was SO dissapointed. But I'm driving to Nashville again for the July 9th show....so Patty, if you're reading - If some guy comes up to you after the show....and wants a hug....don't think he's a freak! :) Josh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:12:27 -0500 From: "Bill Diekmann" Subject: MM: my take on FR after 2 days Since I don't have anything nice to say about a few of the songs, I'll stick to just the positive. 1. Flaming Red (the song) is awesome! What a gutsy move to make the first track a "in your face" rocker. I really had high hopes for the rest of the album when this track came on. 2. OBL, I'll skip this one 3. Tony is what I hope Patty is all about. Very personal 4. Change.....I'll file this oh oh oh oh song with Natalie Merchants latest na na na song 5 Goodbye....ehhhh, maybe. I think I'll need more than 2 days with this one. 6. Carry me. Pass 7. Christina Very nice. I think this is the song I hear Emmylou Harris on. Does anyone know? I think this song has the best vocal arraignments on it. Very pretty. 8. Wiggley Fingers. One of my favorites. IMO, if she is going to do the band thing, this is the way I'd like to hear it 9.Blue Sky Pass 10. Big Daddy Don't get it 11. Go Now Love this one too. Someone else mentioned EXACTLY what I was thinking. I too was waiting for the Sax to come in. I love the smokey lounge sound of this one and admire her for putting it on the album. 12. Mary Another good track. This has grown on me a little just in 2 days...might be my favorite by Monday morning 13 Peter Pan I like the lyrics, but the song itself doesn't do anything for me. Observations I was not looking forward to this release at all and had to try and keep an open mind about it. I'm happy to report its a pretty good album and I'll definitely get some pleasure out of it. Complaint IMO, not a single musician on this album really "shines" or stands out to me. I would have really liked to hear a few good solos in a few of these songs. What I did notice that makes me optimistic is that of the songs I didn't get much out of, I still felt that there was a lot of potential there. How many of you felt while listening that if you could change one little thing to a song it would be great. I can't remember feeling this way this much about an album in a long while. This is not negative. Like I said, I think this holds well for future Patty albums Of course this is after 2 days of listening. All opinions are subject to change. Your mileage may vary ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 03:36:27 EDT From: JohnRN23@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: my take on FR after 2 days Well Bill, I agree that Goodbye should be solo, but that's 'cause I heard her play it once acoustic (wonderful!!!) And I must say that if you listen to Natalie's new album you will find alot more than Na na na ;-) And besides, it's refreshing, especially when you're drivin around in the sunshine! :-) John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 08:06:30 -0500 From: Mark Cicero Subject: MM: my take on FR after 2 days -Reply Bill Diekmann>>>writes: "IMO, not a single musician on this album really "shines" or stands out to me. " Mark Replies: At first listen (in the car on the way home from Tower Records) I had the same impression. However when I got home and put it on my home stereo and turned up the volume I was floored by the bass player on some of the rockier tunes. IMHO the bass lines on most of the songs are really better than average. I agree with you on Big Daddy and Peter Pan, as well. Regards, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:26:13 -0400 From: ZIAD_TOUBASSY@bm.com Subject: Re: MM: my take on FR after 2 days - --IMA.Boundary.807768898 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Bill said, about "Christina": I think this is the song I hear Emmylou Harris on. Does anyone know? I thought that Emmylou was on "Mary", in the second chorus of "Jesus said mother..." with that kick-ass harmony. Floors me every time, and makes me tear up like only Patty can. She might be on "Christina" too though, I haven't listened carefully enough to the harmonies on that one. One question on the new record -- in the printed lyrics to "Tony" the second line of the chorus is "He said I think I might do a little dying today". When I listen, all I hear is "I think I might do a little dying today" which totally alters the lyric for me. Is Patty kind of ironically taking her empathy for Tony too far and saying "gee, you and I felt the same way about this experience, maybe I'll do what you did."? I'm referring to the narrator "Patty" in the song here, of course, I'm not suggesting that Patty herself would be contemplating this. I actually prefer the line the way I hear it to the way it's written -- adds another layer to the song. Cheers- Ziad NP: Flaming Red The Last Days of Disco Soundtrack - --IMA.Boundary.807768898 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from yandrny1-bh.yr.com (152.146.3.3) by smtp1.yr.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 004B0BAE; Fri, 26 Jun 98 02:22:40 - -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by yandrny1-bh.yr.com (8.8.8/8.6.11) id CAA22703 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 02:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from siren.shore.net(207.244.124.5) by yandrny1-bh.yr.com via smap (4.1) id xma022682; Fri, 26 Jun 98 02:22:01 -0400 Received: from smoe.org [204.167.97.154] by siren.shore.net with esmtp (Exim) id 0ypRsZ-0003iU-00; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 02:21:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id CAA07740; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 02:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 02:19:32 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id CAA07717 for mad-mission-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 02:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.nothnbut.net (root@shell.nothnbut.net [199.217.159.17]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id CAA07713 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 02:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (stlouis-85.nothnbut.net [199.217.162.85]) by shell.nothnbut.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA03116 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:18:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01bda0c9$65417060$55a2d9c7@default> From: "Bill Diekmann" To: "Patty List" Subject: MM: my take on FR after 2 days Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:12:27 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org Precedence: bulk - --IMA.Boundary.807768898-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:07:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen V. Gilmore" Subject: MM: The Dirty Linen Mad Mishers: Many of you are probably familiar with a magazine called "The Dirty Linen", but if you're not, give it a glance. Subscriptions are cheap - $20/year. It's got bundles of reviews plus info on concerts, etc. for musicians of the folk/acoutsic/world genres. It's also on the Web. Also, if they've reviewed FR, I'd like to know what they thought of it. - - SVG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:16:07 EDT From: SteadyOnDC@aol.com Subject: MM: Flaming Red and Rawkin'!!! I absolutely LOVE "Living With Ghosts"......and I absolutely love "Flaming Red." I think some of the slower songs I've heard her do solo acoustic might lose a little something (that 'lump in the throat' feeling you get) in their new production on this cd......like "Goodbye" and "Go Now." But they're still great. And "Mary" still sounds as incredible as ever. Amazing song.....the one that is probably most LWG-like. The rawkers on the new cd ("Flaming Red"-"Wiggly Fingers"-"Change", etc) do well by the production. *personal recommendation: play them LOUD!. ; ) I have a feeling if I hadn't heard some of the other tunes live and acoustic before hearing them on the cd I would love them as is on the cd....... because I love few songs on here that I hadn't heard before the cd came out. I wish "Cain", "We Are Water", and "Long Ride Home" made their way on to this new cd. If I had to swop....I'd trade the cd tunes "Peter Pan" and "Big Daddy" for them. It's a great cd. Just lovin' it, - -Denise C. (SteadyOnDC@aolcom) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:44:24 EDT From: Adangerz@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: my take on FR after 2 days In a message dated 6/26/98 6:31:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ZIAD_TOUBASSY@bm.com writes: << One question on the new record -- in the printed lyrics to "Tony" the second line of the chorus is "He said I think I might do a little dying today". When I listen, all I hear is "I think I might do a little dying today" which totally alters the lyric for me. Is Patty kind of ironically taking her empathy for Tony too far and saying "gee, you and I felt the same way about this experience, maybe I'll do what you did."? I'm referring to the narrator "Patty" in the song here, of course, I'm not suggesting that Patty herself would be contemplating this. I actually prefer the line the way I hear it to the way it's written -- adds another layer to the song. Cheers- Ziad >> I am completely with you on this Ziad, it is just how I understood it too. Adangerz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:10:00 +0100 From: "House, Steve, HOUSESH" Subject: MM: Slightly Patty Related Since being on the list (also JB's) I keep seeing different artists mentioned by you guys either as someone to check out or a cd that you recommend. The chances of me seeing any of these is at the moment remote ( I am UK based ) but I am always keen to listen to 'new' artists ( or at least new to me ) Over the past few months I've made a list of cd's recommended. Now bearing in mind that Patty Griffin is my favourite female singer in a style which could be classed as Folk/Rock ( open to interpritation ) and also that I know nothing about the following artists other than what has been written on this list, which of the following cd's would you buy if you only had enough money in your pocket to buy one. ? Reply to me direct ( or through the list if it's allowed ) I'll go by your honest recommendations and check them out although it may mean one of my kind contacts in the US from this list to buy it for me . Catie Curtis Self Titled & Truth From Lies Katell Keineg Jet June Kelly Williams Tapping The Wheel Beth Wood New Blood Joy Askew Tender City & Gorgeous Creature John Gorka Land Of The Bottom Line David Wilcox How Did You Find Me Here Peter Mulvey Deep Blue & Rapture I've also seen mentioned so many more artists Vance Gilbert, Kate Cambell, Elizabeth Hummel, Karen Savoca, LJ Booth to name but a few. So is there something other than above that you would spend your last dollars on Enlighten me Take care Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:13:21 -0700 From: "Allan M. Ayres" Subject: Re: MM: my thoughts on FR (please read) JohnRN23@aol.com said: >I don't know why I was so bold to put "please read" on this but I was crying >to MARY tonight (yeah go ahead and laugh) [...] Yeah, me too. The other night Terry Gross was interviewing a war correspondent in Kosovo, and the correspondent mentioned being heartbroken at seeing these teenaged boys strapping on AK-47s and going out to die. I'd been listening to "Mary" before this, and it made me think: I wonder what the world would be like if there were some requirement that anyone who wanted to be a world leader or a minister of defense had to be a mother first? - --Allan ~~~~~~~~ Allan M. Ayres emdash@creative.net http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~ayres ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:14:06 -0700 From: "Allan M. Ayres" Subject: Re: MM: my take on FR after 2 days >>[Ziad noted lyric-sheet inaccuracies in "Tony"] > >[Adangerz seconded] Yeah, there are a number of mistakes on the lyric sheet. Frexample: The second verse of "Carry Me" is completely messed up. The lyric sheet says "World War II" where it should be "World War III" to rhyme with "TV;" then it says "Fading into the tall grass/Melting into the tall grass," where the actual line is "Melting into the tall *glass* " -- to set up the metaphor of "spilling over the lip" in the next line. In "Wiggley Fingers," the first line of the first chorus is the same as it is in the second: "Yeah and you're keeping those dirty little wiggley fingers to yourself," not "...he's keeping those dirty little fingers to himself," like the printed version says. (Though that's an interesting twist....) Sigh. I guess I should just get used to the fact that lyric sheets are *always* inaccurate. :-) On the other hand, it could be deeper than that: it could be that the lyrics are fluid by nature, that the printed version (typos excepted) and the sung version are both valid, with no single 'correct' version. - --Allan ~~~~~~~~ Allan M. Ayres emdash@creative.net http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~ayres ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:32:22 EDT From: Yount2@aol.com Subject: MM: Subsequent listening rewarded... So there I was - at the record shop (er...CD " ") on Monday evening - and they, by divine providence, I suppose, had put out 2 copies of FR. (The cashier sez to me: "You're buying...*both* of them? [but, of course...]) But then, upon listening: severe disappointment. And you know why - after the 2 years spent with LWG in constant rotation - after seeing Patty live last summer in a barn with about only 30 other people - and after going to the Iron Horse for a January show that ranks as one of the finest performances ever... I sensed that everything that made LWG and the shows precious and solid had been stripped from this new record and replaced by synths and "FM lite" production values. But I love the voice - so I listened to the words underneath the new blankets of extraneous sound - and gradually, luckily, these new blankets became comfortable and reassuring. FR is no LWG - and why should it be? It's a next step in a gifted performer's career. It's a pretty good record, inside and out. But still . . . those versions in concert: "Go Now", devoid of the comic keyboards, just the voice and the sweet subtle ache; "Flaming Red" as an almost violent statement of one woman's purpose; "Mary", sweet and poignant in a single voice. So that's my 2 cents. T.G. Young p.s. my fave new (re)discovery of the year: David Gray, "Flesh" and "Sell Sell Sell" ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #179 *********************************