From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #176 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttour.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com/road/index.html * and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, June 24 1998 Volume 02 : Number 176 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: [Woolphie@aol.com] MM: Req. Tape of Patty Live at Troubadour [Woolphie@aol.com] MM: Flaming Red ["Brenda & Brian Mattox (Indy.net)" ] MM: Patty tape trade [Twan68@aol.com] MM: next step -Reply [Mark Cicero ] MM: yep ["Mike Gorecki" ] MM: New Patty! [lgrady@lnmta.bentley.edu] MM: RE: Flaming Red [Jonathan Cooper ] Re: MM: Req. Tape of Patty Live at Troubadour [Mike Connell ] Re: MM: is she listening? ["Stephen V. Gilmore" ] Re: MM: RE FR airplay ["Stephen V. Gilmore" ] Re: MM: patty on the radio ["Stephen V. Gilmore" ] MM: The View from Here [Steve Garrison ] MM: flaming red ["Allan M. Ayres" ] MM: Cover art on FR [Elaine Bean ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:35:37 EDT From: Woolphie@aol.com Subject: MM: Hi everybody! I haven't seen fit to post anything for a long time till now (I'm guessing you know why today is a special day...) So yeah, I picked up the album today and . (that's a good 'whoa' for all you out there in the studio audience) This is the first time I've ever heard an album performed live before hearing the studio version. The album's incredible (especially Tony!) but it doesn't have the same powerful edge the live show did (how could it?) And STILL "Tony" pulls at my emotions like few songs have since "Drift Away" by Dobie Gray ("gimme the beat boys and free my soul, I wanna get lost in your rock and roll and drift away..."). I'd say it's REALLY impressive that a song about a depressed gay guy can be that powerful to a happy straight guy! Speaking of Patty Live, I'd REALLY appreciate it if whoever has the tape of the Troubadour (Los Angeles) show from June could mail me a copy. I'd gladly pay postage-plus. Of course, please wait to send it until Mad Mission has gotten the go-ahead from Patty's people :) If and when whoever has the tape plans to send it, please just e-mail me specifically (not the whole site as I may miss it among the HUGE amounts of MM mail I get every day!) Then I'll gladly send back my address and a check. Again, a big for Patty's latest. And thank you in advance for taking the time to wade through this letter and sending out the tape (whenever the magical YOU with the tape gets around to it). {insert witty Patty lyric here to signal end of letter} Woolphie@aol.com aka jtropp1@swarthmore.edu aka JOSH :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:46:23 EDT From: Woolphie@aol.com Subject: MM: Req. Tape of Patty Live at Troubadour Now that Flaming Red has been released... are the boys and girls over at Patty headquarters giving us the O.K. to swap the live tapes various MMers have made at Patty's shows? If so, I would be ETERNALLY GRATEFUL (and offer some cash compensation, er, a check in the mail) if someone could mail me the tape of the Troubadour show from June (in Los Angeles). Of course I'd pay for shipping and whatever other charges you feel are appropriate (or I might just be able to drive over and pick it up, as I'm assuming whoever has the tape lives in LA like me). So please post any news about the Troubadour tape to the MM list and/or e-mail me at woolphie@aol.com or jtropp1@swarthmore.edu with info on acquiring the goods. :) For your own health and to extend the life of your CD, you may wish to switch CDs after listening to Flaming Red on repeat for a solid week. Not that I will, but hey, it's a good suggestion :) - --Josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:05:22 -0500 From: "Brenda & Brian Mattox (Indy.net)" Subject: MM: Flaming Red Flaming Red, It is wonderful, Patty sounds great. Is A&M doing much to promote this artist. The reason I ask is the music shop were I bought my copy had only one. WTTS 92.3 FM in central Indiana is playing "One Big Love" and say they'll be playing a lot more. Brian Mattox ephemart@indy.net or b_mattox@csi.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kind words can be short and easy to speak, but their echoes are truly endless. - Mother Teresa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:31:40 EDT From: Twan68@aol.com Subject: MM: Patty tape trade Someone gave me Patty stapes and I need to return Indigo tapes in return and I have lost your address again. If you will send it one more time, I will get these great tapes to you. Sorry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:43:17 -0500 From: Mark Cicero Subject: MM: next step -Reply Bill, Patty's music can and does stand on it's own. It's artistic merit is not contingent on whether or not she decides to persue some of the marketing stragergies you sarcasticly scorn in you latest post. You seem to think that success and artistic integrity are mutually exclusive. I do not believe that to be so. I hope she does make a video. I hope she becomes more popular than Madonna. I will judge her on her musical output. I think Patty was brave in her approach to her second CD. The songs are well written, bold, sensitive and touching; all that we've come to expect from her. Regards, Mark Nashville,TN >>> "Bill Diekmann" 06/23/98 08:20pm >>> Just wondering, since this is the 90's, and the way the music biz is today, it is probably about time for Patty to take that next step that is so important to every talented singer-songwriter. VIDEO!!!!!! Does anyone know what will be her first vid? Will it be a big production with a cast of hundreds? Will she takes some acting lessons to help her look "anguished" when she lip syncs into the camera? Are there any songs on the new album where they could paint her silver and have her sing in front of very dark backgrounds? Can't wait to see it. All very important stuff in the making of a pop star. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:01:19 -0700 From: "Mike Gorecki" Subject: MM: yep Thanks Mark for your words..I couldn't agree more. I get everything I need to know about Patty from her words and melodies. how she accomplishes getting those words out is not a matter for us to scorn. mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:49:57 -0400 From: lgrady@lnmta.bentley.edu Subject: MM: New Patty! WoW! On the radio there's an HMV ad that's all about patty and her new CD - wow! I got it - for the price shoppers - 11.88 at Newbury Comics.... WHAT A GREAT ALBUM!!! Although, i had to quip to my friend who was listening to it with me, that much of it wasn't going to make the folk mix tapes that I make for my friends.....I got goosebumps listening to it! I actually got teary eyed because i realized HOW FAMOUS she is going to be with this album and how I'll never see just her and her guitar in a little red barn in connecticut with just a small group of people - now I'm going to have to fight through the young'uns to see her at greatwoods or something..... Tony and Mary my favorites so far....but it's all so good! I'm glad I heard all the debate about the cd before i listened to it though, for I would have been in shock if I expected it to sound like LWG.....tony is SO GOOD! Funny train of thought - I was wishing and wishing that patty would some to boston while I drove home with the CD, and then I started thinking about the song "Please Come To Boston" which made me think about Emmylou Harris, and then I open the CD - and she's on it! WooHoo! - -Laurel :) NP: FLAMING RED!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:53:19 -0700 From: Jonathan Cooper Subject: MM: RE: Flaming Red When I walked into my Borders Music here in downtown Seattle it was the first album I saw on the display case of "New Releases". Right there next to Van Morrison, and there was definitely more than one copy available--alone, I bought three.... > ---------- > From: Brenda & Brian Mattox (Indy.net)[SMTP:ephemart@indy.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 6:05 AM > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: MM: Flaming Red > > Flaming Red, It is wonderful, Patty sounds great. > Is A&M doing much to promote this artist. The reason I ask is the music > shop were I bought my copy had only one. WTTS 92.3 FM in central Indiana > is > playing "One Big Love" and say they'll be playing a lot more. > > > Brian Mattox > ephemart@indy.net or b_mattox@csi.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Kind words can be short and easy to speak, > but their echoes are truly endless. > - Mother Teresa > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:09:01 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: MM: Req. Tape of Patty Live at Troubadour Josh wrote: >Now that Flaming Red has been released... >are the boys and girls over at Patty headquarters giving us the O.K. to swap >the live tapes various MMers have made at Patty's shows? >So please post any news about the Troubadour tape to the MM list We/anyone can always swap tapes off list any ol' time. We can swap on list too (but please keep the private/detail making emails off list...asking and offering on-list is OK of course) It's just an organized tree or an organized on-list distribution of stuff of Patty *with the band* that is a no-no right now, as it's the "right thing to do"....or not do, depending on how you look at it :-) If the on-list asking/offering of band stuff gets out of hand, it may be a problem too. (if it starts to appear to be organized) When I talked to her management about this topic about a month ago, a time period was discussed, and I think about 5 or 6 months after Flaming Red is out seems like a good time for a possible tree of the Troubadour show :-). In the mean time, just about any tree of her non-band material is OK on list, if anyone wants to tackle one right now, I say go for it!!!! (I myself am in discussion right now of a possible tree of some material, but a definitive decision may not be available for at least a month. More info later :-) Mike :-) * The Patty Griffin/Mad-Mission@smoe List Homepage is at: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/pattyg.htm * * Rachel Martin's Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive is at * http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/3079/patty.html * * Jerry Zigmont's Flaming Red - A Patty Griffin Website is at * http://w3.nai.net/~zigmont * * DuckOfPrey or WhyADuck55 on AOL or AOL Instant Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:37:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen V. Gilmore" Subject: Re: MM: They're playing it! WNCW - 88.7 FM - Spindale, NC (halfway between Charlotte and Ashveille) has been playing various cuts from the album, as is its practice. It's a noncommercial station that specializes in out-of-the-mainstream musicians, particular singer-songwriters. On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Young/Hunter Information wrote: > >WBOS in boston just started playing OBL!! I requested it what, a week ago? > >But hey, it's on!!!!! > > They've been playing it for a few weeks, actually... as has The River. > > Kerry :) > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:37:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen V. Gilmore" Subject: Re: MM: is she listening? I hope so - and I hope she responds! On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Erin Scrafford wrote: > I often wonder if Patty herself subscribes to this list. Do you think > she is lurking out there? > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:43:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen V. Gilmore" Subject: Re: MM: RE FR airplay Of course ' XPN is on the cutting edge. It has David Dye as an on air host, and if there's anyone on the cutting edge of musical trends, it's him. Also, his World Cafe program is broadcast nationally and does the same thing nationally that 'XPN does locally. By the way, an unrelated question: do people in Philadelphia call their city "Philly"? I once lived in Cincinnati, and observed that the only people who refer to it as "Cincy" are the same people who call San Francisco "Frisco": those who don't live there (and those who don't know any better). I always wondered if it was the same way with Philadelphia and "Philly." On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Charlie Sweeney wrote: > Hi all, > WXPN in Philly has been playing FR for weeks. "Course, they always seem to > be right on top of the new releases in this genre, whatever "this genre" is! They have > featured OBL but also have played most of the other cuts. > > Your Friendly List Janitor, > Charlie Sweeney (=}===# > Virtual Guitarist-Something Black > charlies@voicenet.com > http://www.voicenet.com/~charlies > > Join Susan's maillist-"believers" at: > http://www.voicenet.com/~charlies/swmail.htm > Visit the links page for other Susan stuff > http://www.voicenet.com/~charlies/sulinks.htm > > "Passion's always half impossibility > the lovers that we lose we never dare to forget > we visit them in mourning in December and in May > in the graveyard of St Mary's of regret" > .....Susan Werner > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:46:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen V. Gilmore" Subject: Re: MM: patty on the radio Remember the station well when it was WOXR, when I went to Miami University. Although the musical environment was a bit different in the 1970's when I was there, I still remember hearing it play some music not heard anywhere else. On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, LB wrote: > "One Big Love" is officially on the Heavy (approximately 22-28 spins) > Rotation List at 97X in Oxford/Cincinnati, Ohio. : ) And by the way, > that's where I'd like her to stay... on that station, that is. I don't need > to hear Patty on mainstream radio. 97X is an ecclectic, although driven > mostly by "alternative" (a term they dislike) music, station. To put it > briefly, they know what's up. > > Lori > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:43:31 -0500 From: Steve Garrison Subject: MM: The View from Here I want Ute Lemper to record "Go Now." It's great to see all the enthusiasm and excitement surrounding the release of FR. I was fortunate enough to obtain an advance CD back in May (I was unfortunate enough to discover at the same time that she had performed with band within walking distance of my house two nights before). I listen to it a lot, I have never tired of it, and my "favorite" song at any given time changes continually. I don't think this album will get lost in the shuffle as did LWG in '86. I was really disappointed not to find LWG on year-end "Best" lists that year, while Gillian Welch was omnipresent. Hers was an interesting and worthwhile album, I thought, but couldn't touch LWG (or, in my opinion, Roseanne Cash's "10 Song Demo") for genuine emotional connection, and overall songwriting quality. Keep on listening. By the way, I first heard "Every Little Bit" on WRNR-FM in Annapolis, and mention it because it's a great station, and they have a RealAudio website at wrnr.com. Check it out. I also used to hear "Let Him Fly" on the muzak at the Starbuck's where I worked part-time, and mention that because it's weird. Steve Garrison NP: Deep Blue by Peter Mulvey. Along with his first album, Rapture, it's one of few that I recommend with similar urgency to PG's. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:26:13 -0700 From: "Allan M. Ayres" Subject: MM: flaming red OK, so here I was, all set to be Disappointed Yet Supportive about flaming red.... I picked up a copy yesterday, popped it into the CD player, ... ...and I *love* it!!! It's just a whole different side to a very gifted and original singer/songwriter. She uses the instrumentation and the production as an integral part of this set of music, just as she used the solo-ness and the stripped-down-ness of Living w/ Ghosts to the advantage of that set of music. The record is exquisitely produced, and the other musicians are excellent. (I wish the booklet had been more specific about who was playing on what tracks, but that's just me being obsessive.) Tony gets me every time. Someone mentioned a while back how Patty forges a real connection between the music and the lyrics, uses the music to express the feeling of the lyrics as opposed to just tacking a lyric onto a nice melody. I think "Hey Tony" is a perfect example: the change in tone right before the chorus, the drum and guitar attack, the tiny pause, and that very high and slightly odd note on "Hey." Go Patty! - --Allan Now Playing: Flaming Red :-) ~~~~~~~~ Allan M. Ayres emdash@creative.net http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~ayres ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:33:30 -0700 From: Elaine Bean Subject: MM: Cover art on FR Just returned from Newbury Comics - got 'em - 2 copies of Flaming Red. Question about the cover art - at the concert in Somerville this past Feb., she did a song wearing her red shoes (the song probably was Flaming Red, but I can't remember) . . . anyway, didn't she say that she was photographed in them for her new CD cover? Or something to that effect? Does anyone who was there remember? Elaine ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #176 *********************************