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A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, June 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 168 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re[2]: MM: Re: give her some space [Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com] RE: Re[2]: MM: Re: give her some space [Jonathan Cooper From: Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:55:11 -0400 > Subject: Re: MM: Re: give her some space > > > You are right. It wasn't meant to be hurtful...just an exclamation of > surprise. However, you are absolutely right and I apologize if that sounded > bad. > > ______________________________ Reply Separator __________________________ __ > _____ > Subject: MM: Re: give her some space > Author: EILEENG@usm.maine.edu at TIME_INC > Date: 6/18/98 10:15 AM > > > > > > I have not posted to this list (or any list for that matter) but I > really feel the need to comment on Amy's message below. Having just > discussed the fact that Patty is at least indirectly aware of the > content of this email list, I think a little sensitivity is called > for here. Say what you will about Patty's music or anything else > relating to her professional life, but I think it is VERY > inappropriate to comment on her personal life, especially when the > comment, as this one must be, is so extremely hurtful. Patty already > shares a tremendous amount of her personal life with her fans through > her music. Don't take more than she gives. > > I am not familiar with the ways of these email lists, so I hope > that this message is not interpreted as a "flame." Just a reminder > that there's a professional Patty and a personal Patty, and it would > be nice if her fans remembered to give the personal Patty (and those > who are important to her in her personal life) some space. > > And by the way, I have met Troy Campbell and think he is an > exceptionally wonderful person. > > > From: Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com > > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:41:22 -0400 > > Subject: Re: MM: is she listening? (indirectly, yes) > > > > Patty's DATING that Troy Campbell guy that opened for her at the Fez last > > Spring? Yikes! > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:36:58 -0700 From: Jonathan Cooper Subject: RE: Re[2]: MM: Re: give her some space I would hope that anyone who is soulful enough to appreciate the depth and breadth of PG's artistic talent is also sensitive enough to refrain from reproach when it comes to Patty's personal engagements. Anyone who subscribes to this list is clearly devoted, in varying aspects and degrees, to the tenure & outcome of Ms. Griffin's voyage--which is to say that we adore, respect, and admire her for her talent and gifts to the artistic community. To be emotionally invested in her is not to imply (I certainly hope) any capacity whatsoever to judge her along the way. I'm sure that no one was going that far, as much as I'm sure that this moderated response is somewhat unnecessary. Bonne journee, JBC > ---------- > From: Eileen J. Griffin[SMTP:EILEENG@usm.maine.edu] > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 1998 10:07 AM > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: Re: MM: Re: give her some space > > Thanks for your reply. And I'm sorry if I sounded a little > high-handed. I just interpreted your comment in its worst light > and perhaps overreacted. I've been regretting having sent that > message for the last hour. > > > From: Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com > > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:55:11 -0400 > > Subject: Re: MM: Re: give her some space > > > > > > > You are right. It wasn't meant to be hurtful...just an exclamation of > > surprise. However, you are absolutely right and I apologize if that > sounded > > bad. > > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator > ____________________________ > > _____ > > Subject: MM: Re: give her some space > > Author: EILEENG@usm.maine.edu at TIME_INC > > Date: 6/18/98 10:15 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not posted to this list (or any list for that matter) but I > > really feel the need to comment on Amy's message below. Having just > > discussed the fact that Patty is at least indirectly aware of the > > content of this email list, I think a little sensitivity is called > > for here. Say what you will about Patty's music or anything else > > relating to her professional life, but I think it is VERY > > inappropriate to comment on her personal life, especially when the > > comment, as this one must be, is so extremely hurtful. Patty already > > shares a tremendous amount of her personal life with her fans through > > her music. Don't take more than she gives. > > > > I am not familiar with the ways of these email lists, so I hope > > that this message is not interpreted as a "flame." Just a reminder > > that there's a professional Patty and a personal Patty, and it would > > be nice if her fans remembered to give the personal Patty (and those > > who are important to her in her personal life) some space. > > > > And by the way, I have met Troy Campbell and think he is an > > exceptionally wonderful person. > > > > > From: Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com > > > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > > > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:41:22 -0400 > > > Subject: Re: MM: is she listening? (indirectly, yes) > > > > > > Patty's DATING that Troy Campbell guy that opened for her at the Fez > last > > > Spring? Yikes! > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:50:41 -0500 From: Mark Cicero Subject: RE: Re[2]: MM: Re: give her some space -Reply Musicians work so hard at "making it" and I'm sure they understand that making it means putting themselves out there in the "public eye", so to speak. So why is that when their music and life in general begin to get noticed that we are all of a sudden suppose to refrain from calling attention to anything other than their music; as if to do so would be disrespectful or somehow an invasion of privacy. They know what they're getting into and once a person puts themselves out there then they should except the good and the bad that goes with being a public figure. (And I can't believe that Patty doesn't understand this) I'm not in a particlulary agreeable mood today, maybe I should just go home and listen to "Forgiveness". Go ahead, flame away. Regards, Mark Nashville,TN >>> Jonathan Cooper 06/18/98 11:36am >>> I would hope that anyone who is soulful enough to appreciate the depth and breadth of PG's artistic talent is also sensitive enough to refrain from reproach when it comes to Patty's personal engagements. Anyone who subscribes to this list is clearly devoted, in varying aspects and degrees, to the tenure & outcome of Ms. Griffin's voyage--which is to say that we adore, respect, and admire her for her talent and gifts to the artistic community. To be emotionally invested in her is not to imply (I certainly hope) any capacity whatsoever to judge her along the way. I'm sure that no one was going that far, as much as I'm sure that this moderated response is somewhat unnecessary. Bonne journee, JBC > ---------- > From: Eileen J. Griffin[SMTP:EILEENG@usm.maine.edu] > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 1998 10:07 AM > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: Re: MM: Re: give her some space > > Thanks for your reply. And I'm sorry if I sounded a little > high-handed. I just interpreted your comment in its worst light > and perhaps overreacted. I've been regretting having sent that > message for the last hour. > > > From: Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com > > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:55:11 -0400 > > Subject: Re: MM: Re: give her some space > > > > > > > You are right. It wasn't meant to be hurtful...just an exclamation of > > surprise. However, you are absolutely right and I apologize if that > sounded > > bad. > > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator > ____________________________ > > _____ > > Subject: MM: Re: give her some space > > Author: EILEENG@usm.maine.edu at TIME_INC > > Date: 6/18/98 10:15 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not posted to this list (or any list for that matter) but I > > really feel the need to comment on Amy's message below. Having just > > discussed the fact that Patty is at least indirectly aware of the > > content of this email list, I think a little sensitivity is called > > for here. Say what you will about Patty's music or anything else > > relating to her professional life, but I think it is VERY > > inappropriate to comment on her personal life, especially when the > > comment, as this one must be, is so extremely hurtful. Patty already > > shares a tremendous amount of her personal life with her fans through > > her music. Don't take more than she gives. > > > > I am not familiar with the ways of these email lists, so I hope > > that this message is not interpreted as a "flame." Just a reminder > > that there's a professional Patty and a personal Patty, and it would > > be nice if her fans remembered to give the personal Patty (and those > > who are important to her in her personal life) some space. > > > > And by the way, I have met Troy Campbell and think he is an > > exceptionally wonderful person. > > > > > From: Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com > > > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > > > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:41:22 -0400 > > > Subject: Re: MM: is she listening? (indirectly, yes) > > > > > > Patty's DATING that Troy Campbell guy that opened for her at the Fez > last > > > Spring? Yikes! > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:04:35 -0500 From: Mark Cicero Subject: RE: Re[2]: MM: Re: give her some space -Reply -Reply Correction: I wrote in my prior email:"They know what they're getting into and once a person puts themselves out there then they should except the good and the bad...." I meant to say "......they should accept....." Regards, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:41:30 -0400 From: "Kunkel, Robert G" Subject: FW: Re[2]: MM: Re: give her some space -Reply > Musicians work so hard at "making it" and I'm sure they understand that > making it means putting themselves out there in the "public eye", so to > speak. So why is that when their music and life in general begin to get > noticed that we are all of a sudden suppose to refrain from calling > attention to anything other than their music; as if to do so would be > disrespectful or somehow an invasion of privacy. They know what > they're getting into and once a person puts themselves out there then > they should except the good and the bad that goes with being a public > figure. (And I can't believe that Patty doesn't understand this) > > Just because a person wants to share their talent and their work with the public, that does not mean they want their private lives *scrutinized* by the public. To stretch a point: you put your opinion in a post to the list (the "public") and I am responding critically to that "work". You should (and more than likely did) expect a response of some kind. No problem. Now, send me a picture of your girlfriend so I can critique her. One has nothing to do with the other, and the latter is clearly none of my business. > > I'm not in a particlulary agreeable mood today, maybe I should just go > home and listen to "Forgiveness". > Maybe you should....you're gettin' me cranky too, damnit. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:50:06 -0700 From: Jonathan Cooper Subject: FW: Re[2]: MM: Re: give her some space -Reply Did I send this already? > ---------- > From: Jonathan Cooper > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 1998 11:35 AM > To: 'Mark Cicero' > Subject: RE: Re[2]: MM: Re: give her some space -Reply > > Mr. Cicero, > No flames necessary. We are actually in agreement if you squint your eyes > enough. I could never debate the veracity of your comments--indeed anyone > is subject to public scrutiny so long as he/she is of substantial fodder > for media attention. Whereas I would not qualify since I am fairly > unremarkable, Patty Griffin does and will continue to qualify as her fame > and visibility increase. My only intention was to distinguish between a > relatively small following of die-hard Patty Griffin fans, and the rest of > the unseen, disengaged populus. Since I am in theory only speaking to a > "fan" base, my assumption was that we could quell any attempts at asinine > remarks regarding the legitimacy of Ms. Griffin's social affairs. Though > I am not in complete agreement that we should endorse the public unveiling > of someone's private affairs (more on that later), I am certainly not > capable of thwarting these prickly inquiries into her life. I only seek > to convey that Patty (as mentioned by someone earlier) offers so much in > her artistic vision of herself, that prodding this way and that seems > somewhat ridiculous. We are told that to be a public figure one must > accept these nasty little bits. Why? Perhaps it is punishment or just > redemption for leaving ordinary people to fiddle with the inadequacies of > their lives? I don't really know, and I definitely don't care to know who > Ms. Griffin is dating--of that, I can assure you. As long as I am alive, > this will go on. I can not stop it try as I might. It is just a little > saddening to me, that is all. > Regards, > JBC > (Legal disclaimer: Not entirely meant to imply that you endorse such > public slayings..) > ---------- > From: Mark Cicero[SMTP:MC1@wallerlaw.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 1998 10:49 AM > To: jonathanc@photodisc.com > Subject: RE: Re[2]: MM: Re: give her some space -Reply > > Musicians work so hard at "making it" and I'm sure they understand that > making it means putting themselves out there in the "public eye", so to > speak. So why is that when their music and life in general begin to get > noticed that we are all of a sudden suppose to refrain from calling > attention to anything other than their music; as if to do so would be > disrespectful or somehow an invasion of privacy. They know what > they're getting into and once a person puts themselves out there then > they should except the good and the bad that goes with being a public > figure. (And I can't believe that Patty doesn't understand this) > > I'm not in a particlulary agreeable mood today, maybe I should just go > home and listen to "Forgiveness". > > Go ahead, flame away. > > Regards, > Mark > Nashville,TN > > >>> Jonathan Cooper 06/18/98 11:36am > >>> > I would hope that anyone who is soulful enough to appreciate the depth > and > breadth of PG's artistic talent is also sensitive enough to refrain from > reproach when it comes to Patty's personal engagements. > > Anyone who subscribes to this list is clearly devoted, in varying aspects > and degrees, to the tenure & outcome of Ms. Griffin's voyage--which is > to > say that we adore, respect, and admire her for her talent and gifts to the > artistic community. To be emotionally invested in her is not to imply (I > certainly hope) any capacity whatsoever to judge her along the way. I'm > sure > that no one was going that far, as much as I'm sure that this moderated > response is somewhat unnecessary. > > Bonne journee, > JBC > > > ---------- > > From: Eileen J. Griffin[SMTP:EILEENG@usm.maine.edu] > > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 1998 10:07 AM > > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: MM: Re: give her some space > > > > Thanks for your reply. And I'm sorry if I sounded a little > > high-handed. I just interpreted your comment in its worst light > > and perhaps overreacted. I've been regretting having sent that > > message for the last hour. > > > > > From: Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com > > > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > > > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:55:11 -0400 > > > Subject: Re: MM: Re: give her some space > > > > > > > > > > > You are right. It wasn't meant to be hurtful...just an exclamation of > > > surprise. However, you are absolutely right and I apologize if that > > sounded > > > bad. > > > > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator > > ____________________________ > > > _____ > > > Subject: MM: Re: give her some space > > > Author: EILEENG@usm.maine.edu at TIME_INC > > > Date: 6/18/98 10:15 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not posted to this list (or any list for that matter) but I > > > really feel the need to comment on Amy's message below. Having > just > > > discussed the fact that Patty is at least indirectly aware of the > > > content of this email list, I think a little sensitivity is called > > > for here. Say what you will about Patty's music or anything else > > > relating to her professional life, but I think it is VERY > > > inappropriate to comment on her personal life, especially when the > > > comment, as this one must be, is so extremely hurtful. Patty already > > > shares a tremendous amount of her personal life with her fans > through > > > her music. Don't take more than she gives. > > > > > > I am not familiar with the ways of these email lists, so I hope > > > that this message is not interpreted as a "flame." Just a reminder > > > that there's a professional Patty and a personal Patty, and it would > > > be nice if her fans remembered to give the personal Patty (and those > > > who are important to her in her personal life) some space. > > > > > > And by the way, I have met Troy Campbell and think he is an > > > exceptionally wonderful person. > > > > > > > From: Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com > > > > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > > > > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:41:22 -0400 > > > > Subject: Re: MM: is she listening? (indirectly, yes) > > > > > > > > Patty's DATING that Troy Campbell guy that opened for her at the > Fez > > last > > > > Spring? Yikes! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #168 *********************************