From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #166 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttour.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com/road/index.html * and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, June 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 166 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: RE: flaming red lyric -Reply ["COLE,Iain" ] MM: RE FR airplay ["Charlie Sweeney" ] MM: audio clips [Robin Hall ] Re: MM: Unreceived (Official explanation from the list owner) [Mike Conn] MM: Re: EDAs/LRTs/CLB/Poltz&Patty G in Rolling Stone ["LB" ] MM: Warning:. No Patty G content ["COLE,Iain" ] Re: MM: is she listening? -Reply [Mooodeee@aol.com] Re: MM: is she listening? (indirectly, yes) [Mike Connell Subject: MM: RE: flaming red lyric -Reply and remember that those of us in Australia (that big island way way south) won't even get to hear any of Patti's new album unless we can persuade our favourite record store to import it specially for us. And with the exchange rate being what it is right now, the cost is likely to be about $40-00 for the CD. ouch ouch ouch ouch But enough of my rantings, lets get on with life for a little while. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:52:10 -4000 From: "Charlie Sweeney" Subject: MM: RE FR airplay Hi all, WXPN in Philly has been playing FR for weeks. "Course, they always seem to be right on top of the new releases in this genre, whatever "this genre" is! They have featured OBL but also have played most of the other cuts. Your Friendly List Janitor, Charlie Sweeney (=}===# Virtual Guitarist-Something Black charlies@voicenet.com http://www.voicenet.com/~charlies Join Susan's maillist-"believers" at: http://www.voicenet.com/~charlies/swmail.htm Visit the links page for other Susan stuff http://www.voicenet.com/~charlies/sulinks.htm "Passion's always half impossibility the lovers that we lose we never dare to forget we visit them in mourning in December and in May in the graveyard of St Mary's of regret" .....Susan Werner ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jun 98 16:59:03 -0800 From: Robin Hall Subject: MM: audio clips For y'all who haven't been able to get a hold of an advance copy of "Flaming Red," check out the A&M Patty Griffin website: http://www.amrecords.com/artists/pattygriffin/sound.html There are audio clips of five or six songs from the album. Also, I don't know if anyone has mentioned this or not, but Patty has a co-write on the new Reba Mcintire (!) album. It's a song called "Up and Flying." Say what you will about Reba, the fact that she's doing one of Patty's songs says a lot about the high regard in which Patty Griffin is held by the country music establishment. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:03:08 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: MM: Unreceived (Official explanation from the list owner) At 12:32 PM 6/17/98 , Perlman, Judith wrote: >After reading some of the postings, I realize I am not getting all of >them. >Is anyone else having this problem? The reason is, that while many of the posts were "conversations" between a few folks replying to each other and also to the list, some of the posts/replies that went TO the list through mad-mission@smoe.org "bounced", but the CC'd ones went to the person they were CC'd to, thus THEY replied to a post no one else yet received. (I hope you follow that :-) In other words, they bounced to me for approval, and were delayed in getting to the list. (but ONE person got it, and THEY replied to the list, with quotes/topics no one else had read yet). I myself have not yet read all of today's posts to this list, so I don't know what was talked about in this thread. "OK Mike, WHY did they bounce?" Many mailing lists have what are called "taboos"....certain things that IF a post contains the tabooed item/word, it bounces to the list owner so he/she can see what's up. (a vast majority of bounced posts go through once I check them out) Tabooed items may include email addresses of known troublemakers, certain words that are usually commands that majordomo (the list serve software) uses, words that are tabooed for list-content control reasons (i.e. if a silly thread or arguement gets WAY out of control, a taboo can be put in on a key word in that thread), sometimes taboos are put in at the request of the artist and/or their management to prevent or limit a certain topic coming up, and a host of other "behind the scenes" reasons I don't have the time to get into now. Taboos are usually one word, and if a post just so happens to hit that word, bang...it's bounced. (Once on the Jewel list I had to taboo a certain VERY basic word at the request of her mangement to keep a certain topic off the list, and as luck would have it more than a few 'innocent' posts hit the word....all those posts were of course approved and sent on to the Jewel list) For the record, TWO posts involving today's thread bounced, but both were sent through when I got home from work. Mike - MM list owner * The Patty Griffin/Mad-Mission@smoe List Homepage is at: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/pattyg.htm * * Rachel Martin's Patty Griffin Lyrics Archie is at * http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/3079/patty.html * * Jerry Zigmont's Flaming Red - A Patty Griffin Website is at * http://w3.nai.net/~zigmont * * DuckOfPrey or WhyADuck55 on AOL or AOL Instant Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:41:13 -0400 From: "LB" Subject: MM: Re: EDAs/LRTs/CLB/Poltz&Patty G in Rolling Stone Here's the Living Room thingie: From ROLLING STONE July 9-23, 1998 Issue 790/791: Mi casa es su casa--just don't wake the neighbors. There's a growing movement on the Internet to bring artists to people's homes. The idea can be traced to a group of 2,500 rabid Jewel fans known as Everyday Angels (EDAs), who maintain a mailing list on the Net. In April, 1997, the singer Cindy Lee Berryhill--a San Diego contemporary of Jewel's--was stuck in Boston with a yearning to perform. Aware of EDA's legions, she contacted a friend, who got word out that Berryhill was looking for a gig. The next day, the singer was performing in a fan's living room for thirty people. Since then, she has played in about sixteen homes, sometimes drawing more than 100 fans, each of whom donates ten dollars. "I won't ever give up clubs," she says, "but it's a great way to connect with people." The "Living Room Tour" trend has spread, and subsequent shows have been held in cities across the country. While many of these artists are local folk singers, higher-profile acts such as Freedy Johnston, Patty Griffin and Steve Poltz have expressed interest. "We're looking at it as a supplement to regular touring," says Michael Pontecorvo, director of artistic development for Poltz's label, Mercury Records. "It's increasingly difficult to get exposure for new artists, but this is a proven method." Poltz, who played one living room with his former band the Rugburns, hopes to do at least six more when his tour begins in July. "I like playing small venues, anyway," he says. "This is about as intimate as it gets..." Funny, he's never had a problem with the top shelf before. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:05:59 -0400 From: "LB" Subject: MM: patty on the radio "One Big Love" is officially on the Heavy (approximately 22-28 spins) Rotation List at 97X in Oxford/Cincinnati, Ohio. : ) And by the way, that's where I'd like her to stay... on that station, that is. I don't need to hear Patty on mainstream radio. 97X is an ecclectic, although driven mostly by "alternative" (a term they dislike) music, station. To put it briefly, they know what's up. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:54:12 +1000 From: "COLE,Iain" Subject: MM: Warning:. No Patty G content Mike (and all others) here's a song you may appreciate, given your pechant for ducks. Be kind to our web footed frieeeends, 'cause that duck may be somebody's mooooother. they live in the swamps and the gleeeens, where the weather is always damp (la la la la lah) You may think that this is the end, If you do you are sadly mistaaaaaken, I'm going to sing it agaiiiiiiin, Only this time I'm gonna sing a little higher! (repeat ad nauseam until the children scream for mercy and stop squabbling) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:25:18 EDT From: Mooodeee@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: is she listening? -Reply She has asked about what the list has been saying about Flaming Red and the band. She basically knows about what you guys have been saying. She is really depending on all of you to support her and appreciate the CD as well as her band. She hopes everyone remembers that she started out having a band before LWG, and that FR is what she wanted to do and is the way she wanted to do it. I get the impression that she is a little worried that you guys aren't accepting her and FR. She is trying her best and hopes that you will continue to support her, and to give the band some time to tighten up all of the new material. Remember also that this is a warm-up tour before the release of the CD, so there will be expected room for improvement over time. Just hang in there. I am getting the impression that all of the negativity, much of which is coming from her purist minimalist fans, is making her defensive, and this is showing through her interviews and press. When she talks about FR what she says gives me the impression that she feels obligated to make excuses for what she has done, speaking more in defense of FR than describing it. She needs some positive affirmations from you guys more than anything. She has made her decision to do what she has done and I believe her fans should stand behind her. I get the impression that the negative feedback has been disappointing her and is taking away from the excitement of the new cd and the tour. Things do get back to her, so when being critical, dont forget that she has feelings too. My opinion. Mimi Alidor Austin, TX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:45:38 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: MM: is she listening? (indirectly, yes) At 01:30 PM 6/17/98 , Erin Scrafford wrote: >I often wonder if Patty herself subscribes to this list. Do you think >she is lurking out there? Well, Patty herself is not subscribed to the list, but 1 to 3 people in contact with her are/may be. A member of her management team IS, that is for certain, but doesn't ever intend to post directly, to maintain that ability to remain in the background. Her present boyfriend Troy, who toured with her just last spring tour told me he intended to subscribe once the tour ended, but I don't know if he has yet. Troy's sister Glennia was one of the first people to subscribe when this list in January, but I don't know if she's still here, as I don't recall her email addy and I think she hasn't posted in quite a while. Anyway, there's absolutely no question Patty gets at least some feedback on what is said here, considering some of her management IS on the list, and perhaps Troy & Glennia. Mike :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:42:13 -0500 From: matt vogensen Subject: Re: MM: is she listening? -Reply Mooodeee@aol.com wrote: > > She has asked about what the list has been saying about Flaming Red and the > band. She basically knows about what you guys have been saying. She is > really depending on all of you to support her and appreciate the CD as well as > her band. She hopes everyone remembers that she started out having a band > before LWG, and that FR is what she wanted to do and is the way she wanted to > do it. I get the impression that she is a little worried that you guys aren't > accepting her and FR. She is trying her best and hopes that you will continue > to support her, and to give the band some time to tighten up all of the new > material. Remember also that this is a warm-up tour before the release of the > CD, so there will be expected room for improvement over time. Just hang in > there. > > I am getting the impression that all of the negativity, much of which is > coming from her purist minimalist fans, is making her defensive, and this is > showing through her interviews and press. When she talks about FR what she > says gives me the impression that she feels obligated to make excuses for what > she has done, speaking more in defense of FR than describing it. She needs > some positive affirmations from you guys more than anything. She has made her > decision to do what she has done and I believe her fans should stand behind > her. I get the impression that the negative feedback has been disappointing > her and is taking away from the excitement of the new cd and the tour. Things > do get back to her, so when being critical, dont forget that she has feelings > too. > > My opinion. > > Mimi Alidor > Austin, TX I think everyone has the right to be happy, especialy such a taleted artist as Ms.Griffin. I personaly love her new material, but that of course is a personal preference. I think the contrast between the two albums and style show an amazing depth of talent and I am very pleased to hear it was intentional. As a writer myself, I have been told by my metors that the ability to effectively use different modes and styles are extremely important to the development of an artist. Although I think it is to bad that some people won't like her current progressive choice, it is only natural. When you combine the honest and personal nature of a one person, all natural, all acoustic type of sound you effect a very emotional, personal type of response in a listener. Unfortunately the sort of person who is drawn by such a performance (especialy one containing such a powerful voice and rich soul to back it) will not always be able to enjoy a more... mainstream(?) performance or stylistic movement. I hope she understands that those same fans who are so devoted are also the same that are likely to be apposed to a movement that will progress to an sort of popular(?) sound or philosophy. If Patty wants confirmation then I would like to say that her music is great and I have been hearing a lot of it here in what I have heard is her new home (Austin, anybody know more?). The stations here actually play quality music in a wide variety, but the kind of rotation she is getting comes from public acceptance in the form of requests. I haven't heard the album, but I am excited by the bashing I've seen on the list. It tells me that there is something new coming for me. I love what I've heard so far and I do plan on buying the album which is quite a statement on my budget. I am sad to say that any time an artist progresses it is only natural to see resistance from those that love what has come before, please tell Patty that it can be seen as a sign of succes. Besides, I have seen as many positive messages as I have negative, they may not be as long or eye catching, but I see them all of the time. Keep on keepin on, Grey P.S. when is Patty coming back to Austin, I haven't seen her live yet and I am aching to seee that pasion flaming on the stage. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:04:40 EDT From: Adangerz@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: is she listening? -Reply In a message dated 6/17/98 8:42:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, coach- grey@mail.utexas.edu writes: << > Austin, TX I think everyone has the right to be happy, especially such a talented artist as Ms.Griffin. I personally love her new material, but that of course is a personal preference. I think the contrast between the two albums and style show an amazing depth of talent and I am very pleased to hear it was intentional. As a writer myself, I have been told by my metors that the ability to effectively use different modes and styles are extremely important to the development of an artist. Although I think it is to bad that some people won't like her current progressive choice, it is only natural. >> Well put Matt. I have gone through a similar situation where I started off playing as an acoustic artist, more out of necessity than anything, then moved onto electric. Over the past 10 years of performing, my styles, and back up have changed several times. Like Woody Allen, who has made some of the funniest films and also some of the deepest and saddest films, all artists should be allowed the freedom to change and develop their work in whatever direction pleases them. Writing (expression of anykind) is a deeply personal form of communication and growth. I don't write for anyone but myself. I am honored when others find something there that they like. But the bottom line; please yourself, be happy if you can. You are not responsible for anyone else's happiness but your own, that is certain. Adangerz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:55:12 -1000 From: mhertz@sirius.com (Marc Hertz) Subject: Re: MM: is she listening? -Reply I'd like to throw in my two cents about this: I'm fortunate enough to have a copy of FR and have been listening to it for, I'd say, around two months. It's honestly hard to compare it to LWG because, in my mind, it's very different. Most of the people who loved LWG (I count myself among them) loved it for its raw power and emotion. Although I don't think FR has that same rawness, I don't see any reason to second guess Patty on her choice. She's the same singer we all fell for in LWG, so we should trust her on this one. FR is the type of album that can introduce her to a much larger audience and allow her the opportunity to both succeed and continue in the music industry (which I'm sure we all want) if it does well. And I think it will, because it's a strong album. Plus, as I'm sure everyone knows, people who are introduced to Patty through FR will naturally seek out LWG and will probably be blown away by it. I get the sense that a lot of us wanted Patty to stay true to what we thought she was - someone who has an incredible voice, plays a mean guitar and lays her emotions out there, naked and whistling in the wind - but she's the one to determine who she really is and what she wants to do with her musical career. She's right to listen to her fans, because we're the ones who can certainly help keep her going by buying her albums and attending her concerts, but I'd be heartbroken if we had anything to do with her second-guessing herself and making her think she made the wrong decision with FR. If she's being true to herself and doing what she wants to do, that's what's important. Let's remember that. Based on what I've heard so far from her, I will always be a fan, because I've never been as emotionally affected by someone's songs as I have by hers - and I have to wonder if I ever will. ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #166 *********************************