From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #165 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttour.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com/road/index.html * and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, June 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 165 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: is she listening? [Erin Scrafford ] MM: making a buck [Adangerz@aol.com] Re: MM: They're playing it! [Young/Hunter Information ] MM: RE: Paula Cole - an opportunist AKA "The Bandwagon" [Ashley Tsongas <] MM: Neuroses [Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com] Re: MM: advanced copies [Elaine Bean ] MM: Neuroses -Reply [Mark Cicero ] MM: is she listening? -Reply [Mark Cicero ] MM: Neuroses -Reply [Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com] MM: Unreceived ["Perlman, Judith" ] Re: MM: flaming red lyric [Elaine Bean ] Re: MM: Unreceived ["Stephen V. Gilmore" ] Re: MM: The Lillith CD -Reply -Reply ["Stephen V. Gilmore" ] MM: Re: your mail ["Stephen V. Gilmore" ] MM: EDAs/LRTs/CLB/Poltz&Patty G in Rolling Stone [ABershaw@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:30:05 -0400 From: Erin Scrafford Subject: MM: is she listening? I often wonder if Patty herself subscribes to this list. Do you think she is lurking out there? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:22:10 EDT From: Adangerz@aol.com Subject: MM: making a buck In a message dated 6/17/98 7:15:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EMSTER68@aol.com writes: << Why shouldn't artists allow their songs used in commercials? Do you have any idea how much money they make from it? They are not all millionaires. The songs used are already usually well known and by having them on television only puts it in the heads of millions of people watching. If the right money was offered to me ....there would be no question about it. Wouldn't you find it hard to turn that down? >> AMEN to that. In the Ferangeian, and American capitalistic traditions, that is largely what one does in this world if one can. Make money. I see nothing wrong with the means as long as it doesn't violate any of your personal morals (i.e. selling guns to neo-nazis etc.). I would just give Patty my money for being (had I some to spare). Waiting on the tips of her toes for the final week countdown to Patty's newest release "Flaming Redddddddddddd"!!!! Adangerz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:28:26 -0400 From: Young/Hunter Information Subject: Re: MM: They're playing it! >WBOS in boston just started playing OBL!! I requested it what, a week ago? >But hey, it's on!!!!! They've been playing it for a few weeks, actually... as has The River. Kerry :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:23:24 -0700 From: Ashley Tsongas Subject: MM: RE: Paula Cole - an opportunist AKA "The Bandwagon" I don't know if someone can jump on a genre band wagon, if they already existed in relative obscurity pre-female singer/songwriter mania. But I will concede that she way have been sucked on board by the backdraft. Not that I am a fan of Paula. Something I the way she moves makes me giggle. But you have to love her enthusiasm. I first heard Patty on "the River" in Boston Supposedly they have been playing OBL here in Portland (OR), but I have yet to hear it. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Cicero [SMTP:MC1@wallerlaw.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 10:04 AM To: mad-mission@smoe.org; Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com Subject: MM: Paula Cole - an opportunist AKA "The Bandwagon" To each his/her own. I happen to think that Paula Cole, like Patty Griffen is a pioneer. Both women are tremdousely talented writers (unlike my self who can't even spell) not to mention gifted vocalists. If there is a band wagon please describe it for me. I am always curious who gets to ride and who doesn't. This is not a flame, just another point of view [ I assume I'm allowed to have one, even though I'm male ;-) ] Regards, Mark Nashville, TN >>> 06/17/98 11:46am >>> I don't think she's that great...I just think she jumped on the bandwagon at a GREAT time for women in music...even just a few years ago she would have (and did) go on virtually unnoticed. Thanks to people like Sarah McLachlan who are really using their energies and talents to bring women back into focus! Sarah is so cool :-) Did I have a point? Don't remember what it was. Sorry... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:26:45 -0400 From: Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com Subject: MM: Neuroses - --------------- cc:Mail Forwarded --------------- From: MC1@wallerlaw.com AT TIME_INC Date: 06/17/98 12:03 PM To: Amy Emerman AT NYPBTWB1,mad-mission@smoe.org AT TIME_INC Cc: Subject: MM: Paula Cole - an opportunist AKA "The Bandwagon" No Mark, no opinions allowed if you're a guy! What makes you ask such a silly neurotic question? I was thinking of the Lilith Bandwagon to be exact, but I guess I could be just referring to musical trends in general...and this is all-inclusive it's not like men aren't popular anymore! Just look around and you will see zillions...it just means the scales are tipping a little bit more equally ______________________________ Forward Header _____________________________ _____ Subject: MM: Paula Cole - an opportunist AKA "The Bandwagon" Author: MC1@wallerlaw.com at TIME_INC Date: 6/17/98 12:03 PM To each his/her own. I happen to think that Paula Cole, like Patty Griffen is a pioneer. Both women are tremdousely talented writers (unlike my self who can't even spell) not to mention gifted vocalists. If there is a band wagon please describe it for me. I am always curious who gets to ride and who doesn't. This is not a flame, just another point of view [ I assume I'm allowed to have one, even though I'm male ;-) ] Regards, Mark Nashville, TN >>> 06/17/98 11:46am >>> I don't think she's that great...I just think she jumped on the bandwagon at a GREAT time for women in music...even just a few years ago she would have (and did) go on virtually unnoticed. Thanks to people like Sarah McLachlan who are really using their energies and talents to bring women back into focus! Sarah is so cool :-) Did I have a point? Don't remember what it was. Sorry... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:36:42 -0700 From: Elaine Bean Subject: Re: MM: advanced copies Terry Miller wrote: > > So, those of you who have advanced copies of "Flaming Red'--I guess you > got them at one of Patty's concerts? - ------------------------------------ Terry, No, you can't get the advance recording of FR at concerts. I wasn't referring to "Flaming Red", the album as a whole , but rather to the SONG "Flaming Red", which I know Patty has done acoustically at several of her concerts. I wasn't asking for a critique of the album Flaming Red - I am aware that many, if not most, have not heard it. I was merely asking what your reactions to the lyric of that song was. I do believe though before you can respond to the lyrics of Flaming Red, you really do need to hear the song, either acoustically or with her band, to hear the inflections and tone of her voice, in order to be able to draw any conclusion and make an intelligent observation. So much of a songs meaning is through the singers delivery. Someone said (I don't recall who) that you can read the lyric on the web page, but reading is not the same as hearing it. Elaine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:42:32 -0500 From: Mark Cicero Subject: MM: Neuroses -Reply Amy, I have no difficulty whatsoever asking silly neurotic questions because I work very hard at being a silly neurotic person. Amy - It was a poor attemt at humor! (did you notice the winking smiley face ;-) Lighten up ! Regards, Mark Nashville, tN >>> 06/17/98 12:26pm >>> - --------------- cc:Mail Forwarded --------------- From: MC1@wallerlaw.com AT TIME_INC Date: 06/17/98 12:03 PM To: Amy Emerman AT NYPBTWB1,mad-mission@smoe.org AT TIME_INC Cc: Subject: MM: Paula Cole - an opportunist AKA "The Bandwagon" No Mark, no opinions allowed if you're a guy! What makes you ask such a silly neurotic question? I was thinking of the Lilith Bandwagon to be exact, but I guess I could be just referring to musical trends in general...and this is all-inclusive it's not like men aren't popular anymore! Just look around and you will see zillions...it just means the scales are tipping a little bit more equally ______________________________ Forward Header _____________________________ _____ Subject: MM: Paula Cole - an opportunist AKA "The Bandwagon" Author: MC1@wallerlaw.com at TIME_INC Date: 6/17/98 12:03 PM To each his/her own. I happen to think that Paula Cole, like Patty Griffen is a pioneer. Both women are tremdousely talented writers (unlike my self who can't even spell) not to mention gifted vocalists. If there is a band wagon please describe it for me. I am always curious who gets to ride and who doesn't. This is not a flame, just another point of view [ I assume I'm allowed to have one, even though I'm male ;-) ] Regards, Mark Nashville, TN >>> 06/17/98 11:46am >>> I don't think she's that great...I just think she jumped on the bandwagon at a GREAT time for women in music...even just a few years ago she would have (and did) go on virtually unnoticed. Thanks to people like Sarah McLachlan who are really using their energies and talents to bring women back into focus! Sarah is so cool :-) Did I have a point? Don't remember what it was. Sorry... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:45:25 -0500 From: Mark Cicero Subject: MM: is she listening? -Reply I would suspect not. She's far to busy enjoying her life and success. If I enjoyed what I do for a living I wouldn't be so interested in this internet stuff. To me it's an interesting diversion. Regards, Mark >>> Erin Scrafford 06/17/98 12:30pm >>> I often wonder if Patty herself subscribes to this list. Do you think she is lurking out there? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:23:40 -0400 From: Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com Subject: MM: Neuroses -Reply - --------------- cc:Mail Forwarded --------------- From: MC1@wallerlaw.com AT TIME_INC Date: 06/17/98 12:42 PM To: Amy Emerman AT NYPBTWB1,mad-mission@smoe.org AT TIME_INC Cc: Subject: MM: Neuroses -Reply oOPS! SORRY! DIDN'T CATCH THE WINK! ;-) ______________________________ Forward Header _____________________________ _____ Subject: MM: Neuroses -Reply Author: MC1@wallerlaw.com at TIME_INC Date: 6/17/98 12:42 PM Amy, I have no difficulty whatsoever asking silly neurotic questions because I work very hard at being a silly neurotic person. Amy - It was a poor attemt at humor! (did you notice the winking smiley face ;-) Lighten up ! Regards, Mark Nashville, tN >>> 06/17/98 12:26pm >>> - --------------- cc:Mail Forwarded --------------- From: MC1@wallerlaw.com AT TIME_INC Date: 06/17/98 12:03 PM To: Amy Emerman AT NYPBTWB1,mad-mission@smoe.org AT TIME_INC Cc: Subject: MM: Paula Cole - an opportunist AKA "The Bandwagon" No Mark, no opinions allowed if you're a guy! What makes you ask such a silly neurotic question? I was thinking of the Lilith Bandwagon to be exact, but I guess I could be just referring to musical trends in general...and this is all-inclusive it's not like men aren't popular anymore! Just look around and you will see zillions...it just means the scales are tipping a little bit more equally ______________________________ Forward Header _____________________________ _____ Subject: MM: Paula Cole - an opportunist AKA "The Bandwagon" Author: MC1@wallerlaw.com at TIME_INC Date: 6/17/98 12:03 PM To each his/her own. I happen to think that Paula Cole, like Patty Griffen is a pioneer. Both women are tremdousely talented writers (unlike my self who can't even spell) not to mention gifted vocalists. If there is a band wagon please describe it for me. I am always curious who gets to ride and who doesn't. This is not a flame, just another point of view [ I assume I'm allowed to have one, even though I'm male ;-) ] Regards, Mark Nashville, TN >>> 06/17/98 11:46am >>> I don't think she's that great...I just think she jumped on the bandwagon at a GREAT time for women in music...even just a few years ago she would have (and did) go on virtually unnoticed. Thanks to people like Sarah McLachlan who are really using their energies and talents to bring women back into focus! Sarah is so cool :-) Did I have a point? Don't remember what it was. Sorry... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:32:41 -0400 From: "Perlman, Judith" Subject: MM: Unreceived After reading some of the postings, I realize I am not getting all of them. Is anyone else having this problem? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:22:06 -0700 From: Elaine Bean Subject: Re: MM: flaming red lyric Mark Cicero wrote: > One of the problems at the moment is that not all of us on the list > have access to a copy of the new CD. Yes, we can read the lyrics on > the archive page but it's not the same. I'll reserve my observaitons > > till . . . - ------------------------- Hi, Right, not everyone has it, and it wasn't at all my intent to be exclusionary-I hope nobody feels that it was - I don't think it came across that way - but some of you who have boots with this song done acoustically can comment if you choose. If not, then I'd be more than interested in your observations after you do get the new CD. Thanks. Elaine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:28:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen V. Gilmore" Subject: Re: MM: Unreceived Is your mailbox at full capacity? - SVG On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Perlman, Judith wrote: > After reading some of the postings, I realize I am not getting all of > them. > > Is anyone else having this problem? > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:38:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen V. Gilmore" Subject: Re: MM: The Lillith CD -Reply -Reply It is - I've seen it at Borders and Media Play - SVG On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Mark Cicero wrote: > I wrote: "Or is it available in relulare retail outlets??" > > Correction: Is it available at regular retail music store outlets? > > Regards, > Mark > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:42:47 -0400 From: Elaine Bean Subject: Re: MM: Unreceived Perlman, Judith wrote: > > After reading some of the postings, I realize I am not getting all of > them. > > Is anyone else having this problem?________________________ Yea - me. I just this moment received at this account a post which I sent out at 10:30 this morning from my work account, and my mailbox isn't full. Elaine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:41:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen V. Gilmore" Subject: MM: Re: your mail JB is a real treasure. She's been on some major non-commercial programs (I'm familiar with public radio, and know that WFUV is one of the major outlets in this arena). She's been on "World Cafe" and "Mountain Stage". These shows always feature good music of deserving artists. Keep 'em on the air by giving a few bucks to your Public Radio affiliate that airs them - SVG On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Perlman, Judith wrote: > The Starbucks CD is a preview of this year's Lilith? I didn't know > Jonatha Brooke was playing. I "discovered" the same way I did Patty - > through WFUV. It's a great station; if you can't get in, check out > their web site WFUV.org. She has a beautiful voice, but her lyrics are > much more "literary" and cryptic than Patty's. Her voice, though, has > an incredible emotional impact, at least on me. Her CD "Plumb" is one > of my favorites. She is also the voice on some Sears commercials! > > Are there any songs on these different Lilith CD's that aren't on > Patty's released albums? I hate when the record companies try to get > the diehard fans to buy a greatest hits by putting one unreleased or new > song on the album. Knowing that the obsessive fan will have to buy to > have everything. > > Also, was the man who wrote the message about how hard it is to get the > sound mix right part of Patty's management/band? > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:29:01 EDT From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: MM: EDAs/LRTs/CLB/Poltz&Patty G in Rolling Stone Hi all on all 4 lists (Jewel/Rugburns/Patty Griffin/Ecto), Recently, Rolling Stone Magazine contacted me about the history & possible future of the Living Room Tour gigs. I spoke to them fairly extensively as did Steve Poltz & Cindy Lee Berryhill. Fellow listmembers Larry & Mike also were contacted. The writeup came out & is in the current issue (in the "Grapevine" section). Cindy Lee Berryhill just read it to me over the phone & it seemed to reflect a positive light on the LRT scene. They did condense it into a few paragraphs, but at least we managed to get Steve Poltz, Cindy Lee Berryhill, Patty Griffin & The EDAs some Rolling Stone exposure. :-) I'd post the writeup for you but I don't get Rolling Stone & don't actually have a copy. Perhaps someone who does subscribe to it can post it for others (& so I can have a copy ;-) All the best, Alan ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #165 *********************************