From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #152 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttour.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com/road/index.html * and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, June 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 152 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Perspective on electric Patty [ABershaw@aol.com] MM: NO Patty Grifin - Sorry [Elaine Bean ] MM: Ok ["Mike Gorecki" ] MM: "Chiacking" ["Perlman, Judith" ] MM: Guinness Fleadh ["Perlman, Judith" ] MM: RE: Perspective on electric Patty ["Paquin, John" Subject: MM: NO Patty Grifin - Sorry CornflkGl@aol.com wrote: > <<*grinning*.. now what if I'd said I was chiacking? > > scintillating graphic, isn't it ? :)>> > Hee hee... I'd have no idea... 'cause my dictionary doesn't have >"chiacking" in it ! > If the fighting doesn't drive people away, the useless posting will ! YAAY !! > :D =============================== QU'EST-CE QUE C'EST, C'EST "chiaking"? Inquiring minds want to know. Elaine - who has no idea what she actually said - it's been a long time since high school french ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:50:01 -0700 From: "Mike Gorecki" Subject: MM: Ok Thanks again Elaine for the Flaming Red tape...it is Wednesday and I still haven't been home long enough to listen....Friday I am taking a couple of hours in the evening and spending some undistracted time to submerge myself in the Patty Griffin lyric and melodic waters. More about this on Monday when I return. The thing about Patty Griffin stuff is that the melodies seem to envelope the words and work together to create a feeling that either alone could not reach......I'm sure you all know what I mean..I wish I could say it better.. mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:59:00 -0400 From: "Perlman, Judith" Subject: MM: "Chiacking" Is this a phonetic spelling of the Australian pronunciation of "checking?" Or have I seen too many Foster's commercials ("It's Australian for beer, myeyete.")? Now somebody's going to complain that this has no Patty G. content. But her name appears, so you're WRONG! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:03:38 -0400 From: "Perlman, Judith" Subject: MM: Guinness Fleadh Is anyone on this list going to the Guinness Fleadh in NYC (6/13 and 14)? No, Patty won't be playing, but some other people mentioned on this list will be, e.g. Dar Williams. I'm probably going on 6/13 - that's the day that not only Dar will be playing, but also Sinead O'Connor, The Chieftains and more. If anyone wants to know more, I'd be happy to supply more info, or you can check on the Internet. I'd love to meet people from this list. In person. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:13:44 -0500 From: "Paquin, John" Subject: MM: RE: Perspective on electric Patty As many of you know, it is extremely difficult to get a decent mix in a small club. It requires a lot of talent, equipment, and experience with the artists. Big acts typically rehearse with full sound for weeks before commencing a tour. Their equipment is expensive and set up for each song individually. This is tremendously expensive, and is usually amortized over the length of the tour. When a small act goes on tour, there is considerably less set-up time. To compound this problem, a large part of Patti's sound is her razor sharp vocal control and ability to texture the tone of her voice to fit the lyric. This becomes problematic in a loud mix at a small club for two reasons: 1) the instrument levels (especially guitar and cymbals) tend to be poorly controlled, and they have a tendency to overwhelm subtleties in the other instruments (vocals etc.) 2) the high level of ambient noise makes it difficult for the artists to hear their own instruments. Vocalists in particular have a tendency to "oversing," when they can't hear. That is, they tend to try to shout to be heard. If you've ever heard someone accidentally speak too loudly while wearing headphones, you're familiar with this phenomenon. For those of you who aren't, try drawing a picture of a stick figure with a smiley face without looking at the paper while you draw. As if that's not enough, bootleg tapes are frequently not recorded to be a "listening" mix at small clubs. Typically, at a smallish club, stage volume plays a part in the overall mix. This is the sound level coming off of the instruments or their amplifiers. Tapes are typically made from the mix coming out of the PA amplifiers. These are the big speakers that reproduce the vocals and also carry the other instruments. At a small venue, instruments like cymbals and the snare drum are so loud on their own, that they aren't turned up very loud in the PA. In fact, at a very small place, the drums typically set the volume level that the rest of the band has to be raised to. If the snare drum is very loud, the rest of the band has to be even louder so that the snare drum does not sound too loud in comparison. That's why you see those Plexiglas structures surrounding drum sets at many shows and on TV shows like David Letterman and Jay Leno. It keeps the stage drum volume from being too loud. In a large venue or outside, all the instruments tend to go through the PA since the stage volume is lost in large spaces. Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that Patti is not writing songs or choosing arrangements based on how they will sound on a bootleg recording at a small club. She is writing and arranging for how she hears the songs in her head and ultimately how they sound on her recordings. The more support she gets from the public and her label, the better she will sound in person. Until then, try to hear what she's trying to do, and not what comes off of a bootleg. John Paquin ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #152 *********************************