From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #134 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttour.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com/road/index.html * and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Saturday, May 16 1998 Volume 02 : Number 134 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: In my CD player... [EMSTER68 ] MM: Patty at Mercury [EMSTER68 ] [none] [Richard Church ] Re: MM: Too popular? [Mark Kuhl ] Re: MM: In my CD player... [Ophelia ] Re: MM: Too popular? [Kerry Bernard ] MM: np ["LB" ] Re: MM: np [CornflkGl ] MM: Mercury Lounge Show notes (sort of)... ["C. Swartout & S. Culmer" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 02:17:33 EDT From: EMSTER68 Subject: Re: MM: In my CD player... Me too..... Patty G.....LWG Paula Cole.....This Fire Lilith Fair Peter Gabrial........Passion Judy Garland........Carnegie Hall ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 02:20:43 EDT From: EMSTER68 Subject: MM: Patty at Mercury Just got back from Mercury Lounge. Patty is still Queen of my universe.....but......that band is too loud! Turn them down!!!!!!!! Half the time you could barely hear Patty's amazing voice or brilliant lyrics! The night was still amazing....especially Let Him Fly!!!!!!!!!! Patty Rocks!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 03:09:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Church Subject: [none] With all due respect, I think the original intent of the CD player thing was to indicate what you've got in as a secondary item when you have something else to say... Please lay off of emails telling us all what you're listening to just for the sake of telling us what you're listening to... perhaps we will lose more people if this keeps up??? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 01:57:35 -0500 From: Mark Kuhl Subject: Re: MM: Too popular? Stephen V. Gilmore wrote: > You're right. Commercial success has ruined Shawn Colvin, Paula Cole, > and Sheryl Crow. It's a shame. > Well I don't know if i would go as far as saying fame "ruined" them or other artists that get big. I do think that the instant celeb treatment they get does put them in an awkward situation. I would also think it is easier on a musician to make an album to meet they're own expectations rather them making one (not only for they're own) but for their new legions of fans and the harsh critics that would love to rip on a sophomore or "post hit" album. I try to be as fair as i can when listening to a new album from an artist who is "big". for instance; I am a fan of Tori Amos, I picked up her album they day it came out. I also came to the conclusion that this is her best album to date (IMHO). Not because she is HUGE in the media right now; but because the new album has balance, excellent musical dynamics...the songs are beautiful, true with consistency, and they (to put it bluntly) fucking rock my world. Unfortunately most critics need to fill up a column with more worlds so they like to bring up the artists past and psychoanalyze them and faults (which I think has nothing really to do with the music)... ...my suggestion? I find that friends are better music critics then any writer getting paid for them stating their blurred opinion on paper Sean ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 10:58:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Ophelia Subject: Re: MM: In my CD player... hmmmm..... here's mine: erasure-"erasure" indigo girls-"swamp ophelia" patty-"living with ghosts" phish-"hoist" meatloaf-various albumns ~<@>~ophelia~<@>~ - ------------------- "We are fortunate ones, fortunate ones, I swear.." - ------------------- ~<@>~~<@>~~<@>~~<@>~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 10:58:05 From: Kerry Bernard Subject: Re: MM: Too popular? >Stephen V. Gilmore wrote: > Commercial success has ruined Shawn Colvin, Paula Cole, and Sheryl Crow. It's a shame. This perception bothers me. Ok, first off, I can't speak for Sheryl Crow because, in my opinion, she was never any good *anyway* but commercial success did not "ruin" Shawn Colvin and Paula Cole. Both women BECAME successful based on their current albums... both of which were made when they were NOT famous. "A Few Small Repairs" and "This Fire" are what made them famous but, even though both albums pale in comparison to both women's previous albums (my personal opinion, of course), these women made these albums of their own accord and they made them when they were NOT famous. The fact that both albums are more "mainstream accessible" (ie. more likely to be played on mainstream radio and be bought by a wider, more "pop" oriented audience) does not mean that that success ruined them- they weren't "successful" (by commercial standards) when they made these albums! You seem to be implying that success made their music change. It didn't. Their music changed and, with that, came success. FURTHERMORE, the fact that their music changed certainly didn't mean they were pandering to a lowest common denominator (ie. looking to become "stars"). Both of these women have too much musical integrity for that kind of crap. People change, their music changes, their level of success changes- sometimes this means becoming famous, sometimes it means falling from fame. In the case of Colvin and Cole, it meant becoming famous. When they made their current albums, they might just as well been worried about losing the substantial followings they already had (and both women were VERY well known and loved in the folk world - especially Shawn who has been at this so many years, it's hilarious when people call her an "instant success") but they had to follow what their music (the music THEY were writing) wanted them to do. Besides all this, neither woman has put out an album since they became household names so, unless you're implying that their live show has somehow suffered (and, in my experience, they're both still pretty amazing live), you can't possibly judge how commercial success has "ruined" them. If their next albums suck and you somehow think it's because of their recent commercial success, fine, say that success has ruined them but, right now, that's just absurd. Sorry for the non-Patty content, folks (though, frankly, this whole spiel might well be applied to her with the release of Flaming Red and the fame it brings) but this blanket statement had "misconception" written all over it and I just wanted to add my thoughts... Kerry :) p.s. The "what's on your CD player thing" has really caught on on the Dar-list. It doesn't mean "let's all barrage the list with what we're listening to these days." It means you put NP (now playing) and the CD you're listening to at the end of your mail. For example... NP: Vance Gilbert, "Shaking off Gravity" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 12:21:46 -0400 From: "LB" Subject: MM: np >p.s. The "what's on your CD player thing" has really caught on on the >Dar-list. It doesn't mean "let's all barrage the list with what we're >listening to these days." It means you put NP (now playing) and the CD >you're listening to at the end of your mail. Although I have since deleted the original post, I have a pretty good memory, and I recall original the original suggestion that we post our current listening as saying (words to the effect of) AT THE VERY LEAST let's list at the bottom of our message what's in our cd player. I took that to mean we were free to either just post our currently-in-rotation CDs or add it at the bottom of another post. LB ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 15:59:37 EDT From: CornflkGl Subject: Re: MM: np In a message dated 5/16/98 12:26:33 PM, you wrote: <<>p.s. The "what's on your CD player thing" has really caught on on the >Dar-list. It doesn't mean "let's all barrage the list with what we're >listening to these days." It means you put NP (now playing) and the CD >you're listening to at the end of your mail. Although I have since deleted the original post, I have a pretty good memory, and I recall original the original suggestion that we post our current listening as saying (words to the effect of) AT THE VERY LEAST let's list at the bottom of our message what's in our cd player. I took that to mean we were free to either just post our currently-in-rotation CDs or add it at the bottom of another post.>> Actually... we're free to post about whatever we like, including what's in our CD players :). That NP: thing actually drives me insane- besides the fact the NP means "no problem" to me, I knew a couple of kids on IRC who felt it their duty to announce their "NP" song every five minutes. I think it's kinda useless. On the other hand, I DID post about my CD and my tape player, so I'm guilty too. I'd rather read 5 posts on what's in various people's CD players than one with NP at the bottom. It's just one of those things that drives me insane.... ;) Rachel :D ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 15:56:34 -0400 From: "C. Swartout & S. Culmer" Subject: MM: Mercury Lounge Show notes (sort of)... Last night's show at Mercury Lounge was a very interesting "Experiment" (to use Patty's own words on several occasions during the all too short set). I'm afraid I did not write down the set list but I will mention the personal highlights. 1. Thoughts on the band. I am not opposed to seeing PG with a band, so I had no built in bias toward them. However, just hearing the first two songs (Sweet Lorraine, Poor Man's House, just PG & her Guitar) regret amplification. She sounded great, even though the sound man was annoying the hell out of me trying to find the right level of vocal reverb (I felt it was too much in the end, sort of dissapating her voice slightly). When the band came out, it was clear to me that this was a group of very good musicians who had not played together as a unit for terribly long. The other poster was right when she said they were too loud, especially the keyboardist. It is my understanding that this group is merely for this mini-tour and Lillith Fair and then who knows. With that in mind, I enjoyed the evening very much. As far as the players go, I am more of a traditionalist and would like to have seen PG play with a more rootsy backing group (think Jayhawks and you get the drift). The sound owed more to the Edge's style of guitar, very processed, not at all what I was expecting or hoping for. 2. The songs. The acoustic numbers (Lorriane, Poor man, Let Him Fly) were of course, amazing. The band tunes were a mixed bag. "Tony" was the best tune of the evening with the full group by far and "Flaming Red" was an especially intense number. "Mary" was straight out of Tunnel of Love era Springsteen, reminded me of Walk like a Man. Also enjoyed" One Big Love" & "Go Now." I also very much enjoyed the full band treatment of "Every Little Bit" as that was more of the sound I was expecting from the band. 3. In summation. Like she said herself, an experiment. As I said, the concept of a band is not an evil thing. She put one together for this little period with some success and some missteps. Do you lose the intimacy with the group? Without a doubt. I have not had the pleasure of hearing the new record yet, so I don't know what the sound is supposed to be. I say give the girl some time to work things out with this group and assuming she isn't totally railroaded by the label, she'll figure it out just fine. I just wish the set was longer than one measly hour and she would have played MM. I went away hungry. On the CD: Teenage Fanclub: Songs from Northern Britain Billy Pilgrim: Billy Pilgrim Regards, Chris Come see LOADED at: Dark Star Lounge 158 W. 72nd St. (betw. Broadway & Columbus) June 10th (Wed.) 10PM Pure Pop for Now (and then) People ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 16:19:00 EDT From: CornflkGl Subject: MM: Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive I just wanted to remind everyone that there is a Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive up on the web :). There are lyrics to about 35 songs- released, unreleased, unrecorded, soundtracks- you name it, it's got it :). There are also buttons to get lyrics by track number on the two albums. I'm going to list the names of all the songs on the site below. If you know the lyrics to any song that's not on the site, email them to me and I'll give you credit on the page :). Any help on the site would be greatly appreciated ! The Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive -or- just go to http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/3079/patty.html Thanks a bunch ! Rachel :D Songs on the Site - ------------------ Blue Sky Boxes Cain Carry Me Calling me Home / Momma Change Christina Crazy Daddy Every Little Bit Falling Down Flaming Red Forgiveness Go Now ( Better Way to Say ) Goodbye I Write the Book Illusions Let him Fly (The)Long Ride Home Mad Mission Mary Moses Nobody Crying Not Alone One Big Love One More Girl Peter Pan Poor Man's House Regarding Mary Sweet Lorraine Time Will do the Talking Tony We Are Water Wiggley Fingers You Never Get What You Want ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #134 *********************************