From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #128 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttour.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com/road/index.html * and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, May 13 1998 Volume 02 : Number 128 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Entertainment Weekly Outrage! ["Perlman, Judith" ] re:MM: Cincinnati Show :( :( :( :( ["Underwood, Martha" ] re:MM: Cincinnati Show :( :( :( :( [David Doody ] MM: Fine Line show cancelled [DCar10 ] MM: Tickets honored at bunkers [DCar10 ] Re: MM: Cincinnati show ["LB" ] Re: MM: Cincinnati Show :( :( :( :( [Mooodeee ] MM: Just some general Patty thoughts... [coyoteblue@kincyb.com] Re: MM: Cincinnati show ["LB" ] Re: MM: Just some general Patty thoughts... [ewend ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 14:06:02 -0400 From: "Perlman, Judith" Subject: MM: Entertainment Weekly Outrage! Just kidding about the outrage part. I had to post this, though. I just read in the May 15 issue of EW a review of Shirley Valentine and Garbage's new album. Not the kind of music I listen to, but I like to know as much as possible. Here is the beginning of the review: "What ever happened to the rock & roll mama, the sexually ravenous hipster who trolls for male tail without pain or apology? Despite a twister of press whipped up over women dominating pop in the last year, the mainstream mainly embraced the precious and retro ladies of Lilith - all '70s-style sensitivos like Sarah McLachlan, Tori Amos, Jewel and Paula Cole." I'm guessing he'd include Patty in that group if she were well-known enough. Of course, reviewers always like to exaggerate to make their point. But I'm curious if anyone has other reactions or opinions. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 16:53:51 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: MM: Minneapolis Mad Mishers read ASAP!!! Ok, now I'm really confused....but here goes. Before the word go out on this list that Patty "appears" to have two gigs tonight, one at the Fine Line at 5:30ish Minny time, and then the later private show at Bunkers, I called Mike Baker (Patty's manager) asking him if he could do anything for the folks who had tix from the Fine Line/Patty show...like, let them in at Bunkers, yadda, yadda, yadda. Well, I just got home and low and behold there's a message from Mike that list members with tix from the Fine Line (for tonight's "Patty show") would be able to get into Bunkers by showing their tix at the door at Bunkers as he was going to tell A&M to "let them in". What REALLY confuses me is he (Mike) made NO mention at all of Patty playing tonight at the Fine Line. It seems logical to me that if she was, he would have said so, and that they (tix holders) should just go to THAT show. This makes me think that Patty MAY be still scheduled at the Fine Line, but Patty and her people may not know it. I just called list memeber Ernest Rose (in Minny) and he's going to call the Fine Line (who earlier TODAY told him Patty WAS on) and tell them all of this....that Patty may be scheduled there, but may not know it, and to perhaps call Bunkers to get ahold of A&M or Patty people. Anyway, the moral of the story is, according to Mike Baker, if you have a ticket to the Fine Line show tonight, and are a list member, SHOW UP AT BUNKERS!!! (I don't know if they will still honor these tickets if she DOES play at the Fine Line, but it can't hurt to try) Good luck you Minneapolins!!! Mike :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 17:10:11 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: MM: Patty cancels at the Fine Line OK...just got an email from Ernest Rose who I called earlier.....he called the Fine Line and found out Patty has indeed *cancelled* the gig at the Fine Line. So, per the phone call I got from Mike Baker, list members who have tix to Patty's cancelled gig tonight that say "Patty Griffin" on the tix, SHOW UP AT BUNKERS!! (I don't know the time etc). If they don't want to let you in, nicely ask for Mike Baker (and mention HE said you could get in). It may help to print out my two emails tonight. Good luck !! Mike :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:07:30 -0400 From: "Underwood, Martha" Subject: re:MM: Cincinnati Show :( :( :( :( ATTENTION FLAMING RED BASHERS: What is the matter with you people? Most of you sound like a crazed Dick Button. Although I have managed to restrain myself thus far, now I'm mad. Change is good. If you wanted Flaming Red to be so much like LWG (as you so affectionately refer to it) then go buy it again. It would seem to me that one of the reasons for these cult-like wacko Email/website/groupie things would be to help support a performer that you think is worthy. Apparently that's not the case here, and you should have your names removed from the list so you're not bothered by her anymore. Not every record or performance from any entertainer can be your favorite. But I think it's too bad if you are going to continue to profess your love for Patty only with regard to LWG. And now, as she's sure to become renown, you've just given up on your right to claim credit for turning someone on to her. I only wish I was as lucky as you some of you to see her with the band. You are clearly missing out on what you used to think was an amazing talent. And please, don't refer to her as PG - you don't know her that well. As for inflexible, I'm thinking tongue-depressor. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 17:46:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen V. Gilmore" Subject: MM: Messages from Mishers Fellow Mishers: When posting a response to a message sent earlier, PLEASE do not include the original message with your reply. This takes up valuable space that is needed for messages from your fellow Mishers. Thanks on behalf of all Mishers! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:12:56 -0700 (PDT) From: David Doody Subject: re:MM: Cincinnati Show :( :( :( :( On Tue, 12 May 1998, Underwood, Martha wrote: > It would seem to me that one of the reasons for these cult-like wacko > Email/website/groupie things would be to help support a performer that > you think is worthy. Blind fandom is pointless, IMO. Why declare yourself a fan of someone/something and then blindly refuse to even question anything that person ever does? If you're a fan, you automatically think everything the person does is perfect? It doesn't make sense to me... It seems to me that the people who have expressed disappointment with "Flaming Red" have been quite clear with their reasons. And they seem perfectly valid to me. > But I think it's too bad if you are going to continue to profess your > love for Patty only with regard to LWG. Is everyone required to love everything Patty does? > And now, as she's sure to become renown, you've just given up on your > right to claim credit for turning someone on to her. I'm not sure I follow. I'm a big fan of LWG. I turned many of my friends onto Patty. If (and I stress the if since I haven't heard it yet) I don't like FR as much, I can't say that I turned those friends onto Patty? Interesting... I don't mean to get overly argumentative here. And I'll wait until I actually hear the CD before I get into the specifics of whether I like the different tone of the new disc. But I've seen this happen on too many lists to just let it go. *Why* must people believe that in order to be a fan of something, you have to suppress any negative opinions you may have on the subject? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 17:04:21 EDT From: DCar10 Subject: MM: Fine Line show cancelled Just heard the Patty Fine Line show in Mpls. has been cancelled. Bummer!!!!!! I called and they said Patty had just cancelled about an hour ago. The tickets MAY be honored at Bunkers but I can't say for sure because there line is busy. I'll update when I find out. Just thought I'd let you know because it was so close to showtime. dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:14:36 EDT From: DCar10 Subject: MM: Tickets honored at bunkers Called The Fine Line, Show Is CANCELLED!!! period. Called Bunkers, Tickets to Fine Line WILL be honored period. (9:30ish show.) Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:49:13 -0400 From: "LB" Subject: Re: MM: Cincinnati show Ya know what? I'm sorry I brought the whole thing up. I thought I was seasoned enough to decide for myself if I like/continue to like an artist, or if I enjoy changes he/she is making. Apparently I'm not savvy enough to decide that I enjoyed Patty's show the other night just fine, even though the band overpowered her at times. Silly me. I thought this was a "trying it out" kind of gig for Patty and the evil band from hell so they could get their proverbial feet wet. I thought I'd heard that somewhere before... LB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:52:45 EDT From: Mooodeee Subject: Re: MM: Cincinnati Show :( :( :( :( << Here's the simple truth guys: THIS BAND THING IS A REAL BAD IDEA! They so overpowered her that she was like a songbird on a freight train. >> I would like to suggest the idea that if a singer's voice is inaudible and is being overpowered by their band... guess what... the problem is with the soundman, and the acoustics of the room, as well as the limitations of the PA equipment. NOT with the band. By the way, does anyone know if Marcel is on this tour with them? Thanks, Mimi Alidor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 17:40:00 -0700 From: coyoteblue@kincyb.com Subject: MM: Just some general Patty thoughts... Okay, there's been a lot of talk about the "infamous" Cincinatti show, and about the evil band from hell, who overpowered Patty, and how the whole band idea is bad. Well, as somebody who has worked extensively as a sound technician, I have to 'fess up. It's the sound techies fault. I admit that I wasn't at the show. I wasn't even in the same state as the show. However, from the mail I've read it sounds like somebody who either mixed badly... or just has an incredibly different taste for how he mixes the sound in the house, than the people listening to it. Generally speaking, if the sound operator can't understand the lyrics to the song, then the mix is bad. (Try to tell that to the guys who work for the Stones or the Who... you can *never* understand their lyrics! Not that it matters...) So, blame the evil Sound Op from hell, not the band. Steve Another Evil Sound Op P.S. I haven't heard Patty's new album, but am looking forward to it. *And* seeing her live with the band. In addition, *my* dream line-up would be Marc Cohn, Sonia Dada, and Patty Griffin. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:19:10 -0400 From: "LB" Subject: Re: MM: Cincinnati show I so hope everyone could sense the sarcasm here... I was the one who said Patty and the band...what was the term I used...? Oh yeah...ROCKED. It was only after I read the posts that replied to mine that I let my usual sarcastic self show (as you can see below). >; ) Please don't anyone mistake me for a purist. Although I believe I love Patty Griffin's music purely, I am not opposed to change, and I enjoy seeing/hearing artists spread their wings. Where I do think some of the songs still need some retooling before they're ready for something huge, like say Lilith Fair, enough of the songs worked for me that I can say I'm behind the band idea. With electricity behind it, "Every Little Bit" sounded even better than before. LB >Ya know what? I'm sorry I brought the whole thing up. I thought I was >seasoned enough to decide for myself if I like/continue to like an artist, >or if I enjoy changes he/she is making. Apparently I'm not savvy enough to >decide that I enjoyed Patty's show the other night just fine, even though >the band overpowered her at times. Silly me. I thought this was a "trying >it out" kind of gig for Patty and the evil band from hell so they could get >their proverbial feet wet. I thought I'd heard that somewhere before... > >LB > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:34:40 -0500 From: ewend Subject: Re: MM: Just some general Patty thoughts... coyoteblue@kincyb.com wrote: So, blame the evil Sound Op from hell, not the > band. > > Steve > Another Evil Sound Op > Steve: The guy doing working the sound board also mixes for Tracy Bonham and Shaun Colvin so I think his musical tastes are in line with what the new band is looking for . Please remember that they only met ten days ago. I'm sure time will do the tellin' Eugene ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #128 *********************************