From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #126 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttour.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com/road/index.html * and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Monday, May 11 1998 Volume 02 : Number 126 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: Patty-related content... [Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com] MM: dreaming ["LB" ] MM: Patty Griffin ["Stephen V. Gilmore" ] MM: Patty Griffin ["Stephen V. Gilmore" ] Re: MM: Cincinnati Show :( :( :( :( [Scott Strickland] Re: MM: Cincinnati Show :( :( :( :( [hooligan ] MM: Re: Hamilton show [Kerry Bernard ] MM: Re: Wish List [cmw@pa.net] MM: Re: Chords for "Every Little Bit" ["Sara" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:13:41 -0400 From: Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com Subject: Re: MM: Patty-related content... - --------------- cc:Mail Forwarded --------------- From: petersns@whidbey.com AT TIME_INC Date: 05/09/98 08:39 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org AT TIME_INC Cc: Subject: Re: MM: Patty-related content... Patty and Suzanne Vega. I like that! I would definitely be there! At Wetlands. How's that for a fantasy? ______________________________ Forward Header _____________________________ _____ Subject: Re: MM: Patty-related content... Author: petersns@whidbey.com at TIME_INC Date: 5/9/98 8:39 PM >I would remove all of my removeable limbs to see Sarah McLachlan, Jann >Arden, Holly McNarland, Dar Williams and Patty together. > >I would die. I would absolutely die! > >Sara Wow! If I had removable limbs, I'd do the same, but if I had removable limbs, I'd probably remove them just for the fun of it. =) I'd personally want to see Patty and Shawn Colvin together again-- Lindsey and I first heard Patty when she opened for Shawn Colvin last spring. Sigh... we only wish we'd payed more attention that time. But the pessimistic law of opening acts (hire a bad one so that the main act sounds better) certainly worked: In comparison to the other opening act Shawn had, Patty was soooo good that we had to get _Living With Ghosts_. Hmmm... how about Patty and Suzanne Vega? Just to see how they'd warp eachothers' styles.... --Anna (of the Anna and Lindsey conglomerate) P.S. -- UFOs are real (the air force doesn't exist) =) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:35:33 -0400 From: "LB" Subject: MM: dreaming Patty, David Wilcox, John Gorka, L.J. Booth, Christine Lavin, and Tuck and Patti performing in a very relaxed, I'll-back-you-up, you-back-me-up setting would be the perfect evening of music for me. I'd love to hear Patty duet with Gorka or Wilcox. : ) Or Van Morrison! A girl can dream, can't she? LB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:43:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen V. Gilmore" Subject: MM: Patty Griffin Dream lineup: the four Patties (Griffin, Larkin, Rothberg, and Smith)(Sounds like a law firm doesn't it?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:49:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen V. Gilmore" Subject: MM: Patty Griffin More dream lineups: Patty with Ani DiFranco, Cheri Knight (she was on NPR's Living on Earth this past weekend), Mary Lou Lord ("Got No Shadow"), and Victoria Williams ("Musings of a Creek Dipper"), and Sonia Rutstein ("Almost Chocolate"). Or how about with Beth Wood ("New Blood"), Kate Campbell ("Vision of Plenty"), and Kathleen Wilhoite ("Pitch like a Girl")? Really, you could pick any 3 or 4 of the current generation of female singer-songwriters and have them appear together--you can't go wrong! PS Speaking of Victoria Williams: Are all of you aware she managed to recover from multiple sclerosis to become successful as a singer songwriter? Considering some of Dr. Jack Kervorkian's "patients" have suffered form this ailment, the next time they consider engaging the assistance of this pathologist (or I should say pathology), they should listen to the music of the "Creek Dipper". If they did that, Dr. Kervorkian will have one less patient! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:57:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Strickland Subject: Re: MM: Cincinnati Show :( :( :( :( Tom: Let me jump in to add a concurrent voice before the defenders of the turn in PG's music overwhelm your judgment. Forgive me, all, for including Tom's message in my response since that is something I normally dislike; but I want to establish a context for what I have to say. I saw Patty at the beginning of her tour in Syracuse in March. The single set of music was stunning, fully what I expected to hear from the artist who created LWG, one of the most powerful records I can think of in 35 years of listening to singer\songwriters. Tom, you mention Dylan and Newport. I remember first hand all that happened then, and I remember being delighted by the electric turn the great poet took. It made his music all the more powerful. Therefore, I wasn't all that concerned that PG was touring and recording with a band. The songs I heard in March from Flaming Red convinced me that the CD would be a surge forward in PG's career. Then a couple of weeks ago I heard "Tony" on NPR's "World Cafe" and was stunned that the song that was so poignant in her Syracuse date had been rendered incomprehensible as PG screamed the lyrics only to have them overwhelmed by a vastly mediocre band. I went to hear her again last Thursday as she, along with Ellis Paul and Vance Gilbert, helped celebrate the 5th year of Hamilton College's Acoustic Coffee House. Both Ellis and Vance did wonderful sets--they never miss when I've heard them and Thursday makes four or so times for each. Both brought PG up to sing with them and in both cases the songs were beautiful as was her contribution. Then at the end of the night PG came up to sing. She opened with "Cain" and I'll be damned if I could have understood it if I didn't already know the Bible story. The rest of the night was the same way. Her guitar was plugged to make the sound less resonant and more powerful. In the long run she overplayed herself in the extreme. I always try to sit up front, so I even went to different spots in the room to see if I had a bad listening post, but everywhere her lyrics were unintelligible. It wasn't only that she overplayed herself, because she also slurred her words so badly that it would have been difficult if she'd sung unaccompanied. It reminded me of the two times I saw Tim Hardin at the end of his career: once at Woodstock where he had to be helped to stand up and once, a few years later at the Main Point in Philly when he virtually threw his guitar into a its case and ran out the door to the bar across the street. PG played the tortured "artiste" with such flaboyance that one wonders what influenced her. The night was typified by her hurried thanks to the two guys who preceded her. Remember that she's been a part of the same Boston music scene as Ellis and Vance for many years and has sung, if I'm not wrong, on all three of Ellis's records. Indeed, I remember when LWG first came out, Ellis's role in helping PG's career was mentioned more than a few times. At any rate, just before the last song, she said she wanted to be sure to thank "Vince and Paul" for their wonderful sets. Call it a slip of the tongue, but she did say this for sure. So that's what I heard and, unlike you Tom, I won't buy Flaming Red when it comes out. While I'll take a chance on a CD by someone I've never heard before, I'll wait on this one to see if it has merit given what I've already heard. Go ahead fellow MMer's and take your best shot. But don't accuse me--or Tom--of being inflexible in what we want from PG. I don't think just asking for artistic integrity is necessarily impinging on artistic freedom. Scott On Mon, 11 May 1998, Tom McFarlane wrote: >I was at the Cincinnati show at Top Cats last night too, but I can't >give a review as generous as LB's. I too had attended her warm ups for >John Gorka and Shawn Colvin, and was very eager to see her perform for >the first time as headliner. > >Here's the simple truth guys: THIS BAND THING IS A REAL BAD IDEA! >They so overpowered her that she was like a songbird on a freight train. >Her unacommpanied versions of "Sweet Lorriane" and "Poor Man's House" >were the only bright spots in an otherwise terrible evening of music. > >I had talked another couple into coming along - even loaned them a copy >of LWG to familiarize them with her music. I don't think I'll ever here >the end of it from them. All I heard on the drive home was how they >didn't understand my taste in music anymore, and wondered if I'd started >liking Green Day, Nine Inch Nails and Marilyn Manson too. That's how >bad it was. > >There was hardly a glimmer of anything we've come to love about her >music. There may have been some passionate lyrics and haunting melodies >hidden within and behind the avalanche of noise produced by the band, >but I missed them. > >In 1965 when Dylan went electric at Newport with The Band, there was a >similarly negative clamor, but it was primarily a PHILSOPHICAL issue. >With Patty its strictly a QUALITY issue. Her back up muscians did >NOTHING to enhance the sound, feel or emotion of her music. > >Maybe it'll all be a lot easier to listen to and even enjoy on the CD, >with professional engineers handling the sound. I'll buy Flaming Red as >soon as it's out. And I'll given it an open-minded listen and really >hope I end up liking it. (And even if I don't, I hope she gets real >popular and makes lots and lots of money. She is one of the most >unacclaimed talents in the music industry today. ) > >But for now, take this as fair warning: >If you are looking forward to seeing Patty live for a "Living With >Ghosts" kind of evening, BE PREPARED TO BE SLIMED! > >tm > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:37:11 EDT From: CornflkGl Subject: Re: Re: MM: Cincinnati Show :( :( :( :( In a message dated 5/11/98 8:13:19 PM, zinzani@sprynet.com wrote: <> I don't know about the "Vince" part, but I saw Patty & Ellis perform together once and Patty called Ellis "Paul" the entire night. I'm assuming it's one of those friendly things. Besides that, wow... if you think so harshly about Patty's "new" sound, that's too bad. I'd like to say lots of mean things about your judgements of her, but it's not worth it- everyone has their own opinion. Of course, I've been listening to Patty since July of 96, and she's ALWAYS slurred her words. Think about it- if YOU know what you're saying, it's got to be really hard to figure out why nobody else does. Your comparisons to Tim Hardin were interesting and harsh. Besides that, your statement <> makes me wonder if you ever knew anything of her than LWG. I wonder if you'd react the same way if Ellis actually had one really ripping, loud song where he sung with intensity and feeling. Would you say the same things of him ? It seems to me like as long as the artists sing quietly and pronunciate well, you're happy. Rachel :D, who likes the word slurring, however mystifying it may be ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:08:39 -0700 (PDT) From: hooligan Subject: Re: MM: Cincinnati Show :( :( :( :( well tom I think it's great that you've been listening to music for 35 years - thanx for the history and edification; i also think it's a shame that you're so quick to dismiss an artist based on one live performance. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:18:07 From: Kerry Bernard Subject: MM: Re: Hamilton show Scott Strickland wrote: ...a big long post about the Hamilton show. I'm sorry but I have to ask- were we at the same show?? Ordinarily, I would never dispute someone's concert review (because I think everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I'd gladly admit when one of my favourite performers put on a less-than-wonderful show) but I honestly wonder if Scott and I were on different planets that night because his take on the show was so VASTLY different from mine. I wouldn't post my "rebuttle" except that I abhor the thought of people thinking what he wrote is what everyone experienced at that show. A few things... >Both Ellis and Vance ... brought PG up to sing with them and in both cases the songs were beautiful as >was her contribution. 1. Patty did not come up to sing with Vance. She sang "Conversation with a Ghost" and "Last Call" with Ellis and yes, both songs were beautiful. Perhaps you're thinking of when Vance came up to sing with Ellis on "Translucent Soul"- the song Ellis wrote about their friendship. >just before the last song, she said she wanted to be sure to thank "Vince and Paul" for their >wonderful sets. 2. She did not call him Vince or, at least, I sure as heck didn't hear her call him that (though, let's face it, she's a very soft-spoken woman when she isn't singing- easy enough to misunderstand her). Either way, I was with all 3 artists for a while before the show and, believe me, she knows his name. I might be getting a tape of the show so I'll have to check on the Vince/Vance thing but, even if she did say that by mistake, it has no bearing on the quality of her performance, anyway (didn't "typify" the evening for me). >She opened with "Cain" and I'll be damned if I could have understood it if I >didn't already know the Bible story. The rest of the night was the same way. 3. I didn't have any problems hearing the words to songs at ALL. Perhaps I had an advantage because I already know the words to the songs on Flaming Red but I was at a table with people who didn't and they were "blown away" (their words, not mine) by the lyrics... so *they* apparently understood them. In fact, there is a line in "Change" of which I had never really taken notice until I saw her sing it last week (the part about "Man said, 'Woman I'm a little tired of you..."). When she sang that line, the lyric hit me for the first time and it hit me hard. >I won't buy Flaming Red when it comes out. 4. That's a damn shame because it's one hell of an album. >But don't accuse >me--or Tom--of being inflexible in what we want from PG. I don't think just >asking for artistic integrity is necessarily impinging on artistic freedom. 5. I think everyone has every right to know what they want in an album. If someone wants Living with Ghosts, Volume II, Flaming Red ain't it. In fact, I don't even think it's as good as Living with Ghosts but hey, I'm a folkie, I like folk music, I work in folk music, and that's just me (using the word "folk" here in the sense of, essentially, acoustic). But this album, for what it is (a rock album, unquestionably) kicks ass. I think it's definitely a new phase for Patty (and, as I understand it, more representative of her own taste) and I love it. I do NOT think she compromised her artistic integrity; I think she exercised her artistic freedom. I think that if she had pandered to what people want of her, THAT would have compromised both her artistic integrity AND her artistic freedom. Thursday's show at Hamilton was, I think, a mix of that bare, acoustic sound we all love on Living with Ghosts and the new, fuller sound of Flaming Red. I thought the show was hands down, no question about it, wonderful. I'd go again in a second and I'd tell everyone I know to go, too. I can't comment on the band (in response to Tom's critique of the Cincinnati show) because I haven't seen her with a band but, by herself, she was, as ever, amazing. Kerry :) p.s. Patty calls Ellis Paul "Paul" because that is, in fact, his first name. All his friends call him that. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:25:36 -0400 From: cmw@pa.net Subject: MM: Re: Wish List I agree on this one...Gillian Welch, but would like to add Lucinda Williams or Iris DeMent also. Erin Scrafford wrote: > My wish line-up would be Patty with Gillian Welch. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:44:02 -0400 From: "Sara" Subject: MM: Re: Chords for "Every Little Bit" By the way, I know that no limbs on the human body are removeable. I was just saying that I would find some removeable limbs to remove if I got the chance to see Holly McNarland, Sarah McLachlan, Dar Williams and Patty Griffin play together. Geez, I didn't expect such a huge response, I feel kind of flattered Sara :) - ---------- > From: Kerry Bernard > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: MM: Chords for "Every Little Bit" > Date: Sunday, May 10, 1998 8:52 AM > > Ok, so, when I saw Patty the other night, I finally had brains enough to > bring paper and a pen with me so that I could jot down the chords that she > played in some songs. I *really* wanted to get We Are Water and Tony but > she didn't play either of them (wah wah) but here's what I figured out for > Every Little Bit. I'm not going to do a whole transcription but the jist > is this: > > - Standard tuning, no capo > > - The riff that repeats as the intro and through all the verses is a G > formation (320033 - hope I wrote that right) but you basically play the G, > then slide it up so that you're using the same formation but your index > finger is in the 5th fret (no idea what this chord actually is but that's > how it's played), then slide it up again so that your index finger is on > the 7th fret, then back to the 5th, back to the 2nd (the original G, that > is) and repeat until the chorus. Easy enough but mighty tough on the fingers! > > -The chorus just uses variations of C, D, G, and Em. They're generally in > that order, too, but it's pretty easy to listen and figure out when to go > where. > > At any rate, that's what I could tell from my seat. If anyone wants to do > an actual (and far more technical :) transcription with this info, though, > I'd love to see it! > > Kerry :) > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Kerry Bernard ~ Young/Hunter Management ~ yhkerry@shore.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "Real love is a pilgrimmage. It happens when there is no strategy, > but it is very rare because most people are strategists." - A. Brookner > - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #126 *********************************