From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #113 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttour.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com/road/index.html * and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, April 30 1998 Volume 02 : Number 113 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: Too popular? [Mark Kuhl ] MM: Lilith Fair, Michigan [JessiDenis ] Re: MM: Too popular? [JessiDenis ] MM: Some Patty gigs scheduled for Lilith Fair! :-) [CONNELL@taurus.cs.lmc] MM: jane kelly williams ["Sean Palen" ] MM: jane kelly williams -Reply [Mark Cicero ] MM: Cain lyrics [Kerry Bernard ] MM: Melissa Ferrick [Kerry Bernard ] MM: Re: jane kelly williams -Reply ["Victoria Chenevey" ] [none] [mgillis@meditech.com] MM: "You Are Not Alone" ["Perlman, Judith" ] MM: Response to Matt's Question... [Erin DeRuggiero ] MM: Re: your mail ["Stephen V. Gilmore" ] Re: MM: Cain lyrics [CornflkGl ] MM: Women Songwriters ["Perlman, Judith" ] Re: MM: "You Are Not Alone" [CornflkGl ] MM: Women Musicians [jarstar@iconn.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:26:30 -0500 From: Mark Kuhl Subject: Re: MM: Too popular? Elaine Bean wrote: > On another list I subscribe to, Patty has been mentioned in a post- > "raved about" would better describe the enthsiasm this person convyed in > her praise of Patty and the up-coming "Flaming Red". The post ended > with the (polite) order to check out LWG, because "Patty Griffin is > awesome". Well, *we* know that. It makes me so happy to see that the > "word" is spreading to others and I wish her all the success in the > world, but I'd hate for Patty to get so big that intimate concerts in > small venues will become a thing of the past! Selfish or what? I have > been introduced to more artists and their music through these lists. > Elaine Hmm...yeah that seems to be what happens to alot of people who more or less adopt an unknown artist and wanna keep them all to themselves. ive done it myself...I bought Alanis Morsette's jagged little pill album on the tuesday it came out. i also saw her play at a free festival with only about 300 people in the crowd (she wasn't even headling but she did an encore cause the crowd was going nutz) Greenday, Sarah Mclachlan, Tool,....all of them i had the pleasure of knowing about when no one else had even heard of them. I know it sucks to share. But what can ya do? Music artists make music for people to hear... ..let the people hear. Sean ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:34:18 EDT From: JessiDenis Subject: MM: Lilith Fair, Michigan Hi Guys! I haven't been on in a while.....might have missed some great lilith fair info. Does anyone know the musical line-up for the Michigan Lilith fair dates>? Patty gonna be at any of em? Any info would be great! Peace Jess~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:31:32 EDT From: JessiDenis Subject: Re: MM: Too popular? In a message dated 98-04-29 17:50:00 EDT, you write: << but I'd hate for Patty to get so big that intimate concerts in small venues will become a thing of the past! Selfish or what? I have been introduced to more artists and their music through these lists. Elaine >> Elaine, Every worthwhile artist will grow, as Patty has. But it's the lucky ones like us who were able to see her in an intimate setting... Like giving water and sunlight to a beautiful seed ;-) Peace Jessie~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:33:50 -0400 (EDT) From: CONNELL@taurus.cs.lmco.com Subject: MM: Some Patty gigs scheduled for Lilith Fair! :-) Howdy Mad Mishers! Got some Patty dates for the upcoming Lilith Fair shows. I'm sure more will will be added. Thus far: Lilith Fair 1998 8/23 Denver CO - Fiddlers Green Pavilion 8/25 Salt Lake City UT - Wolf Mountain 8/26 Boise ID - The Idaho Center Mike C. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:26:51 PDT From: "Sean Palen" Subject: MM: jane kelly williams Hello, I would like to toss the name Jane Kelly Williams out, I haven't heard about her in a long time. I heard her on a top 40 station in Buffalo two years ago, you would all enjoy her. Another name I could throw out is Melissa Ferrick. I think if you picked up an album from either of these two you will be pleasently surprised that they have remained low key. sean ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:40:40 -0500 From: Mark Cicero Subject: MM: jane kelly williams -Reply Does anyone still make ALBUMS (vinyl) ;-) Thanx for the tip. Mark Nashville, TN >>> "Sean Palen" 04/30/98 09:26am >>> Hello, I would like to toss the name Jane Kelly Williams out, I haven't heard about her in a long time. I heard her on a top 40 station in Buffalo two years ago, you would all enjoy her. Another name I could throw out is Melissa Ferrick. I think if you picked up an album from either of these two you will be pleasently surprised that they have remained low key. sean ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:21:11 From: Kerry Bernard Subject: MM: Cain lyrics Being quite obsessed with the version of Cain on the Lilith Fair CD, I'm wondering if anyone has the lyrics to the song? I vaguely remember someone mentioning a page of lyrics to un-released Patty songs but don't remember where it is. Sorry! Again, I ask, though- are there archives for this list? Thanks! Kerry :) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kerry Bernard "Most sermons sound to me like commercials- Young/Hunter Management but I can't make out whether God is the sponsor yhkerry@shore.net or the product." - Mignon McLaughlin - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:22:50 From: Kerry Bernard Subject: MM: Melissa Ferrick >Another name I could throw out is Melissa Ferrick. I think if you picked up an album from either of >these two you will be pleasently surprised that they have remained low key. Melissa won the Lilith Fair contest here in Boston 2 weeks ago. She and Laurie Geltman will each have an opening slot at the Boston show. Kerry :) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kerry Bernard "Most sermons sound to me like commercials- Young/Hunter Management but I can't make out whether God is the sponsor yhkerry@shore.net or the product." - Mignon McLaughlin - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:51:48 -0700 From: "Victoria Chenevey" Subject: MM: Re: jane kelly williams -Reply actually, mark, a CD is still an album, as an album is defined as a body of work by an artist. >Does anyone still make ALBUMS (vinyl) ;-) >Thanx for the tip. >Mark >Nashville, TN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:10:39 -0400 (EDT) From: kartalst@HUGSE1.HARVARD.EDU Subject: Re: MM: jane kelly williams Hey there Jane Kelly Williams is an amazing singer, just so all of y'all know...I got her album, TAPPINGTHE WHEEL, in 1995 when it came out and had a chance to see her at an *intimate* concert at PostCrypt in the basement of St. Paul's Chapel at Columbia University. People haven't heard much out of her, because, for the past 2 or so years, she and her husband have been working INCESSANTLY on the new album! i spoke with Jane's husband almost a month ago, and when I spoke with him he told me that they were in "their last month in the studio"... so i guess later on this year somteime be on the lookout for Jane Kelly Williams! stephanie Stephanie Maria Kartalopoulos We should be very greatful to have a kartalst@hugse1.harvard.edu limited body...like mine or like The Greek Poet Chyck yours. If you had a limitless life it would be a real problem for you. What makes a desert beautiful is -Shunryu Suzuki that soemwhere it hides a well. -Exupery ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:21:12 -0500 From: Erin DeRuggiero Subject: MM: Tina and The B-Side Movement Since we're tossing out names of our favorite best kept secrets....Has anyone seen Tina and The B-Side Movement play? They're from Minneapolis, MN and were recently signed to Maverick Records....They play a ton in LA, and tour extensively throughout the US. If you have the chance, go and check her out....She rocked my world- She'll rock yours. They have 4 CD's out now: "Young Americans", "Salvation", "Monster" and their first cd, which is self titled. Catch her live, and you'll become Tina obsessed as well.....:) Catch ya later, all... - -Erin Erin DeRuggiero Advertising Coordinator Utne Reader Magazine (612) 338-5040 erin@utne.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:54:17 -0500 From: mgillis@meditech.com Subject: [none] Greetings, all. Can't wait for Patty to come back thru Boston... About 6 months ago ( about the time I started listening to Patty), I made a reflection that the vast majority of my recent CD purchases had been of women artists - from Alison Krause to Sheryl Crow to Bjork. Today I was reminded of this thought by yet another mad-missioner recommending an artist "you've gotta see/hear". The vast majority of these recommendations have been for female artists. I wonder if anybody has any comment on the vast number of female recording artists emerging, and gaining popularity? - -Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:09:19 -0400 From: "Perlman, Judith" Subject: MM: "You Are Not Alone" This is only the 2nd time I've posted. But I would like people's opinions on this song. Every time I hear it I wonder about it. Is it 3 different stories, about different people? Is it one story told in reverse? Or told out of order? Maybe someone has heard Patty talk about it. I would be grateful for any edification. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:25:40 -0500 From: Erin DeRuggiero Subject: MM: Response to Matt's Question... Matt- This "surfacing" of female singers and songwriters within the last 5 to 10 years can be attributed to several different direct influences on the music biz. There have always been talented women out there, as we all know- but in a mostly male dominated business, it's no accident that tours like "Ozzfest" and "Lollapalooza" get backed by big bucks...Executives thought it risky to pour lots of money into all female bands and tours, believing that their target audience was comprised mostly of testosterone filled young lads.... Now we have pioneers like Ani Difranco, who toured her ass off for 12 years and distributed her tapes to college kids all over the US...her label (RBR) remains one of the most sought after by record label by reps all over the world....all of this she accomplished without the assistance of major label backing... Women singers and songwriters have had to prove themselves, and prove that they have an extremely loyal and devoted fan base- The Lilith Tour was the highest grossing of the summer, and no doubt has converted the wary. Execs now know that women artists have fans...many fans (of both sexes)...and that they should be supported and marketed just as hard as the boys....It's about time they figured it out. Erin DeRuggiero "We are the music makers... Advertising Coordinator and we are the dreamers of dreams" Utne Reader Magazine (612) 338-5040 -Willy Wonka erin@utne.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:33:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen V. Gilmore" Subject: MM: Re: your mail You're not alone in noticing the explosion of quality female singer-songwriters. for a good sampler, check out Joan Baez 1995 live album "Ring Them Bells." Featured as backup musicians are Mary Chapin-Carpenter, Dar Williams, Janis Ian, the Indigo Girls, Kate and Anna McGarigle, etc. Also, many public radio stations are the outlet for musicians such as these. They're serving the same function as FM album rock radio did a generation ago in playing the works of musicians too good for commercial radio. Three programs carried by many of these stations are worth noting: David Dye's "World Cafe", a 5 day a week 2 hour program from the University of Pennsylvania (check out their website at www.pri.org/cafe), WV Public Radio's "Mountain Stage", a two hour weekly program of live performances (you can attend their concerts in Charleston, WV as well--they broadcast them about a month after the performance), and Garrison Keillor's "Prairie Home Companion" from St. Paul. I've taken a liking to Patty Larkin ("Perishable Fruit" was the best CD of 1997),Patty Rothberg (must be something about all those Patties), Mary-Chapin Carpenter, Dar Williams (a Joni Mitchell in the making), Christine Kane (a Dar Williams in the making, and one of the best singer-songwriters nobody's heard of--not yet, anyway), Cheri Knight ("The Northeast Kingdom" will make a few "best of 1998" lists), Ani DiFranco, Kate Campbell (a Mary-Chapin Carpenter in the making), etc., etc. etc. happy listening! On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 mgillis@meditech.com wrote: > > Greetings, all. Can't wait for Patty to come back thru Boston... > > About 6 months ago ( about the time I started listening to Patty), I made a reflection that > the vast majority of my recent CD purchases had been of women artists - from Alison Krause > to Sheryl Crow to Bjork. Today I was reminded of this thought by yet another mad-missioner > recommending an artist "you've gotta see/hear". The vast majority of these recommendations > have been for female artists. I wonder if anybody has any comment on the vast number of > female recording artists emerging, and gaining popularity? > > -Matt > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:53:41 EDT From: CornflkGl Subject: Re: MM: Cain lyrics In a message dated 4/30/98 11:28:57 AM, you wrote: <> :D The Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive ( which is rapidly approaching 400 hits, yay ! ) can be found at http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/3079/patty.html Rachel :D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:49:31 -0400 From: "Perlman, Judith" Subject: MM: Women Songwriters 2 posts in 1 day! I must be getting bold. How about this as a reason for the explosion of women singer-songwriters - - Title IX. Don't laugh. It has been observed that since girls and college women have received gov't funding for their sports teams, their confidence has gone WAY up. Scientific studies have proven that when an individual girl or a woman participates in organized sports, her academic scores go up, as does her self-confidence. Before Title IX, there were no "girls" baseball, soccer or basketball teams. Now our U.S. Olympic Women's Hockey team wins a gold medal, while the men's team...well, let's not go there. The US women's soccer team, I think, won a gold, too. It has been a generation since this went into effect. Now I'm not saying that all these singer-songwriters were jocks. My take on Patty, after seeing her live, is that she probably hated p.e. (as did I!). But women's sports teams opened up people's eyes that women were not so weak, and created a climate that made girls and women feel more equal to men, and think "why can't we do whatever men do?" And thus a climate that opened up other possibilities for women, career-wise. By the way, if you ever heard Joni Mitchell talk about her experiences, you will be amazed how hard it was for her. And how even her contemporaries (Crosby, Still, Nash) patronized her. Not to mention how they turned her song "Woodstock" from a peace anthem into a fierce declaration. It's really eye-opening. Well, I hope I don't get shot down for this. I know it's only one factor, but I think an important one. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:58:47 EDT From: CornflkGl Subject: Re: MM: "You Are Not Alone" In a message dated 4/30/98 2:17:50 PM, you wrote: <> As far as I can tell from the song, it's about a man who's wife got shot in the throat. He's laying in bed , and missing her and reaching out for some kind of contact with her, and her spirit ( or ghost or whatever ) is watching him in bed. She's trying to comfort him and say "I'm here- stop worrying, calm down , and feel my presence". Anyone else have an idea ? :) Rachel :D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:16:39 -0400 From: jarstar@iconn.net Subject: MM: Women Musicians Patty Larkin has a great song about this, called "Not Bad for a Broad". It appears on one of her earlier almubs ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #113 *********************************