From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #62 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttour.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com/road/index.html * and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Saturday, March 7 1998 Volume 02 : Number 062 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: Re: Tony [LeighAnn9 ] MM: Tony's WORLD [LeShawnte ] MM: Has anyone heard of...... [Mike Connell ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 01:13:20 EST From: LeighAnn9 Subject: Re: MM: Re: Tony I agree with Amy.The song never really says Tony IS gay.It does say he was viewed that way.Maybe he was feminine in his mannerisms or his looks...does that mean he was gay?Nevertheless, he was being judged,in the same way we are judging him now(and we never even knew the guy)...and in the same way we are judging the song. I believe the slurs are a key element in providing impact and understanding to the song. The words are used to reflect the closed minds of people...especially at an age when belonging and acceptance in a group is important.The reflection in the mirror is an analogy of other peoples views.Again,he may HAVE been gay...but the point of the song is so much deeper than his sexual preference....as a matter of fact the song is not about sexual preference at all...and if you stay focused on that,then you missed the whole concept of these very moving lyrics. leigh ann ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 01:13:02 EST From: LeShawnte Subject: MM: Tony's WORLD In a message dated 98-03-06 23:43:56 EST, you write: << "i'd stare over his shoulder at a map of the world" im pretty sure just creates the image of her sitting behind him in your average everyday high school classroom. >> Maybe I'm wrong here cause i've just been submerged in a 20 pg paper on community health and repercussions on adolescents concerning pregnancy and STD's.. and I clanged the emotional to a pulp. Like the inablility to TALK with your parents to get messages across...blah blah, but when i first heard this song Tony i fell in love with Patty's way of getting her message across, i admit my mouth was quite ajar, but that in and of itself was evidence of the strong message and i think the way it was conveyed through Patty. She was pure and honest and freaking blunt, yet not so... she was selfish in high school, but who isn't. Her world encompassed her and OLY her and she was submerged and didn't give a shit about anything or anyone else, HHmmm who hasn't done that??? We all knew a "tony" in highschool or in life, or we all may be a "tony" or may have been. and at times we probably entangled some Patty in us. I love the map line and i personally kinda don;t think she was in geog. class, but when she stated that she gazed over his shoulder once in a while and saw a map of the world, maybe there were some of his personal thouhgts jotted down, some poetry or drawings he was creating and by sneaking a peak she, for an instant, stepped out of her world and onto/into a map of his. Do i make any sense? in need of sleep, Shawnte' "But how do we talk about desire - not just sexual desire, but also the desire for emotional intimacy, and even the desire to be or know more - and what is appropriate and what is inappropriate and even dangerous in that discussion? There are no simple answers. And how often desire is never articulated but so central in a relationship, in a life (A girl’s Life Feb/Mar 1998)." "Until our society can overcome its discomfort, its reticence, its denial, and forge a discourse of desire - a way to talk for real about the simple fact that teenagers are sexual beings - shrillness will supplant discussion and we will continue shyly to avert our gaze even as we insist we’re seeing clearly. We will continue to pay the wrong kind of attention to the people who need us most to get it right ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 01:31:12 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: MM: Has anyone heard of...... I was just wondering if anyone here has heard of a Patty Griffin song called "Tony"? ;-) Mike ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #62 ********************************