From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #59 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttour.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com/road/index.html * and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Friday, March 6 1998 Volume 02 : Number 059 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Patty unreleased songs [Inglis ] MM: tony [David Lewis ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 14:28:10 +1100 From: Inglis Subject: MM: Patty unreleased songs I think this may have been a thread a couple of weeks ago, but I was'nt really paying attention. I've just gone back to uni and my head is still spinning from trying to get my act together. What I would like to ask is if there is any kind soul out there who has Patty songs that don't appear on Living With Ghosts. If so, would they be willing to make me a tape of those songs. I can pay for the blank tape and postage. This would be so greatly appreciated!! e-mail me to let me know the details! Jess :) - -- Current obsessions: - - Matthew Perry (past, present and future) - - Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet Surrender - - potato and leek soup *YUM* - - The Squirrel Nut Zippers! "I did have a test today. That wasn't bullshit. It's on European socialism. I mean, really, what's the point? I'm not European, I don't plan on being European, so who gives a crap if they're socialist? They could be fascist anarchists. It still wouldn't change the fact that I don't own a car. Not that I condone fascism, or any ism for that matter. Isms in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an ism - he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon: "I don't believe in Beatles - I just believe in me". A good point there. After all, he was the Walrus. I could be the Walrus, I'd still have to bum rides off of people". - - Matthew Broderick in Ferris Bueller's Day Off. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 02:08:06 -0400 From: David Lewis Subject: MM: tony annonymously quoted to Mad Mission from a Dar list post. >In "Tony" (song >about a high school acquaintance who is gay who kills himself) she uses >the words "faggot" and "fag". I interpret the song to be that she >identifies with Tony in his isolation and aloneness and that she wishes >that they had both found ways to reach out across that gulf to connect >with one another. But I am still left wondering and slightly disturbed. > >While the use of slurs is very hard-hitting and gripping, I'm am still >left with a knot in my stomach when they are not tied directly to a >strong social justice message. (As in, Jewel's "Pieces of You".) Maybe >its just another level of my own internalized heterosexism. My prayers >are that Patty's intentions are positive and healing for our world. I feel the same way. Basically the song leaves me wondering exactly what Patty is saying about the whole tragic event. It could be a great song, slurs and all, if there were a clear message or an attempt at understanding but all she really seems to say, as far as I can tell, is that this guy named Tony (real person, real name, with real people who loved him) had breasts like a girl, called himself a "little faggot" and shot himself and what the hell did he do a stupid thing like that for? Judging from the rest of her music, I can't imagine that Patty's intentions are anything but positive but unfortunately the lyrics do not make that very clear. I do not know the exact statistics, but an alarming number of suicides are gay males. With that in mind and the rather unclear message or lack of any message in "Tony" accompanied by the various slurs, I think the song is potentially very hurtful... even if that was not it's intention, which I don't think it was. I imagine that it will certainly horrify Tony's parents when they hear it. ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #59 ********************************