From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #14 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttour.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com/road/index.html * and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Friday, January 16 1998 Volume 02 : Number 014 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: reply to reply to lyrics (moses) [BluClouds ] Re: MM: reply to reply to lyrics (moses) [Heidi ] MM: tabs [Shawna9775 ] MM: more lyrics!! and yet another tab question [Wunnder ] MM: "queer" is used in a derogatory manner [Shawna9775 ] Re: MM: reply to reply to lyrics (moses) [Shawna9775 ] MM: Vonda Shepard ["Terry D. Kline" ] Re: MM: reply to reply to lyrics (moses) ["Terry D. Kline" ] Re: MM: reply to reply to lyrics (moses) [heidi burtt ] MM: A few words. [JessiDenis ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:33:24 EST From: BluClouds Subject: Re: MM: reply to reply to lyrics (moses) Ok, here's my take on it. I was reading over the lyrics in her cd booklet thingy. The lyrics go like this: "...an empty apartment and a best friend who is queer. everytime i see him he smiles..." In the song it sounds to me like she says " best friend who is A queer" but her lyrics say otherwise. So hey, maybe the guy is queer, a weirdo, a spaz, what have you. If it just says he IS queer, then I think maybe he's not gay after all, and is this "narcissist" that everyone is referring to, this ONE person that she talks about. Just my humble opinion on this :) Ali :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:36:52 -0700 From: Heidi Subject: Re: MM: reply to reply to lyrics (moses) - --------------0A8180C52BD1B012B7B02FFA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well that is a different take on the song than I thought. I kind of interpreted it as she is very lonely and talks to her best friend, but even he doesn't bring her happiness because he's so busy with his own life. I never thought there would be another person involved. We sure are analyzing the heck out of this. Lyrics seem to always mean different things to different people, don't you think? Heidi :-) Kashmyrkat wrote: > I think my reply was misunderstood - I was trying to say that Patty is singing > about two different ppl - her friend who is queer, and another man that is > narcissistic - does that make more sense? :-) > > Tammy :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:04:00 -0500 (EST) From: David Lewis Subject: MM: Re: Mad Mission >David- Thanks so much for the Mad Mission tab. Darrel (So.CAL) No problem :) I think it's pretty accurate. I don't know for certain if Patty ever plays with open tunings or fingerstyle, but upon listening, sampling the tune on my computer, slowing it down etc, it seems perfectly clear that it is indeed in an open d tuning. If you listen to the CD carefully, you can hear many of those open strings ringing, particularly the second string A. Anyway, the notes I'm hearing are next to impossible to play in standard tuning. It's not the easiest tune to play, but it's not that difficult either. It might be easier to play fingerstyle, but it sounds like Patty plays it with a pick or with a combination of fingerstyle and picking with thumb and index. By the way, I picked out an extra note the other day too :) For the bit that's high up the neck... fret the 3rd string, 8th fret. This means that if you want to play the 12th fret note you will have to stretch your pinky out of position from the 11th to 12th fret. Also, sometimes (listen to the very end of the tune) she plays the 12th fret note *first* (in which case I wouldn't bother reaching for the 3rd string 8th fret note). In other words, you can play around with it... do your own thing. Anyway, I hope everyone likes it :) I had a ball trying to figure it out. By the way, I've been seeing repeated requests for chords and stuff on the list... perhaps it would be a good idea to consolidate all of this stuff in one place... I was thinking about putting up a web page with all known tabs and chords. Good idea? p.s. I'll try to do a text only mad mission at some point... but I tend to be busy as hell most of the time :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:13:14 EST From: Shawna9775 Subject: MM: tabs Could anybody send me any of Patty's chords/tabs...I really want to play her "stuff" Thank you all soooo much!! Shawna Shawna9775@aol.com scoons@butchers.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:43:54 EST From: Wunnder Subject: MM: more lyrics!! and yet another tab question >I kind of interpreted it as she is very lonely and talks to her best friend, but even he >doesn't bring her happiness because he's so busy with his own life. I never thought >there would be another person involved. Wow! That's really cool, I never even interpreted it this way at all...I always assumed "he" referred to the *other* guy, the one she always talked to the best friend about. My friend and I performed this song in a school show earlier this year, and when I gave her the song to see if she wanted to do it, she was stunned. In fact I think she said, "This IS my life!" or something to that effect. Although she interpreted the "queer" line as just being strange, not homosexual. (Personally I think it means gay but it's still always thrown me a bit.) But regardless of who's being referred to, the "if i die, he's hear about it eventually" is one of the most beautiful images on the whole album. Also the "i need a little place in the sun sometimes or i think i will die"....with Patty so much of it is about the delivery, not just the words...the emotion comes through so clearly in her voice! I too, was usually a lyrics person, as opposed to a music person, but I found myself listening more and more to her "vocal acrobatics" and wishing i had a voice like that!!!! Oh, and just to jump on the tab-wagon here...I second the request for "Forgiveness" ...So far the only songs I've been able to figure out or seen tabbed/chorded are "Moses", "Sweet Lorraine", and now "Mad Mission" Are there others out there? Has anyone considered compiling them and/or posting them to OLGA? Or a "Patty Tabs" page? It's only because so many of us here are already interested in learning songs and I imagine there's tons more interest out there... It may be something for us to consider undertaking as a group effort! I also wanted to say, while I'm feeling rather long winded, that I'm quite glad to see a Patty list, and even gladder to see so many people excited about her music. Thanks, and I hope to hear a lot from you all and be an active participant on this list in the future. Jenna § "she's gone where the goblins go, she's not coming back"- susan mckeown http://members.aol.com/wunnder/brink.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:37:16 EST From: Shawna9775 Subject: MM: "queer" is used in a derogatory manner In a message dated 98-01-15 01:19:25 EST, you write: << << So, do you guys think she means it as "a best friend who is homosexual" or "a best friend who is kinda weird"? >> >> I knew I'd get your attention. After reading all the replies to this, I thought I would again add my thoughts. I've already responded, but after more careful thought I have a new interpretation. If you don't care to read: delete now... "queer" is used in a derogatory manner...here's my reasoning. First, she is not depressed about someone breaking her heart, as I originally thought. And there are two people in the song..well, kind of. The diamonds and roses are material objects that she doesn't need to make her happy, and she doesn't believe in the easy way or "key" to happiness. She's happy in a spot in the sun...which is much different than the rest of the world. The more "material" world frowns upon, or doesn't realize the fulfillment of, this type of happiness. Then, in many a mind, the "cool" people are drinking, and everyone is always more beautiful when they are drunk. You all know that vicious cycle. And instead, she doesn't get caught up in the surface of things...she sees everything deeper, and, from her lonely corner,she also sees how foolish everyone is acting. And everyone looks at this as if it's a bad or "tragic" occurrence. But she's saying "no" it's "tragic" but you're foolish, and you're not living your life and seeing everything fully. And then that part in the second verse...someone already quoted it...when she says "he never ever asks a single thing about me, and if I died he'd hear it eventually" and he always smiles....you guys know it. Well, it's just a symbolic character. We all know those people who say "hi" to us only because they have to. They're shallow and care only about themselves and the image they portray, and again she's brazing on the materialistic point of life, and how that's how everyone is...but not her, and everyone else sees this as a bad thing. So on to the derogatory "queer" statement. To everyone else her whole life is a tragic thing...so because she's alone at the bar and goes home to an empty apartment to call her best friend, her life is seen by others as even more tragic...because she's not conforming to the norm...BUT when people consider that her best friend is a "queer," then that makes the whole situation even worse....they see "queer" as derogatory...she sees it as wonderful. This is not my opinion (the "queer" portion) and I agree with her point, but I think this is what she's saying. The world is based on surface meanings, and she is trying to get past it and live a deeper, more meaningful, but lonely life. It's a beautiful thing when you think about it. She chooses to be lonely despite the opinions and lives of others...and because her best friend is "queer," she is living her life even fuller.. is this making sense...I have a hard time putting my thoughts is words...please let me know if you disagree! Shawna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:10:29 EST From: Shawna9775 Subject: Re: MM: Vonda Shepard I was dying to know who sang the sone at the end of last nights "party of five" episode...I finally found out after dreadfully searching through POF newsgroups that it was Vonda's "serious richard" I'm buying it tomorrow...can't wait!! Shawna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:28:02 EST From: Shawna9775 Subject: Re: MM: reply to reply to lyrics (moses) In a message dated 98-01-15 22:25:23 EST, you write: << You're right, we are all right and this is kinda fun! Thanks! : - ) >> Who else thinks this interpreting is fun...hey, we get to "really" learn and get insight on Patty's lyrics...so which should we do next? ( hey it's patty- talk until we all get to brag about seeing her in concert...hee hee) Shawna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:08:26 +0000 From: "Terry D. Kline" Subject: MM: Vonda Shepard At 06:01 PM 1/15/98 +0000, you wrote: >Vonda Shepard has been around for a long time. The first time I heard of her, >she did a duet with Dan Hill. I don't remember the title of the song. She is >very talented. You can catch her every Monday night on FOX tv @ 9:00 P.M. >western time. She's a regular on the show Ally McBeal. > >LeShawnte wrote: > >> anyone have any insight on the above mentioned artist (singer/songwriter). >> >> thanks, >> Shawnte' > > Vonda has also opened for Jackson Browne during his 1996 "Looking East" tour. She also sang back-up vocals in his band on that tour and on the "Looking East" CD. She is also featured on the Jackson Browne "Going Home" video tape. She is often discussed on the Jackson Browne list (Patty too!). Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:08:28 +0000 From: "Terry D. Kline" Subject: Re: MM: reply to reply to lyrics (moses) >well... I'm not sure i agree that there are two people because she never >really mentions another person. When she sings the verse about the narcissist, >it's right after she comments about her best friend being a queer. (she kind >of segways into it). I agree that she is lonely and upset and that all she has >is an empty apart. and a best friend, but she never really mentions anyone >actually breaking her heart. I'll have to listen to it again differently to >get that take on it. >Any other opinions? > >Heidi :-) > I think it's two people--her best friend and her ex-husband who Patty said just didn't want to be married anymore. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:49:56 EST From: Shawna9775 Subject: Re: MM: reply to reply to lyrics (moses) In a message dated 98-01-15 17:56:24 EST, you write: << Lyrics seem to always mean different things to different people, don't you think? >> Everyone interprets everything based on their own perception of reality taken from personal experience...so if everyone has different experiences, everyone will have different interpretations...we're all right... I think this is fun...I love hearing what everyone else thinks...I love analyzing poetry and lyrics... Shawna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:52:20 -0800 From: heidi burtt Subject: Re: MM: reply to reply to lyrics (moses) Yeah lucky you! You get to see her. Who knows when she'll be here in SoCal. And I was just in Boston 2 months ago... : - ( Shawna9775 wrote: > In a message dated 98-01-15 22:25:23 EST, you write: > > << You're right, we are all right and this is kinda fun! Thanks! : - ) >> > > Who else thinks this interpreting is fun...hey, we get to "really" learn and > get insight on Patty's lyrics...so which should we do next? ( hey it's patty- > talk until we all get to brag about seeing her in concert...hee hee) > > Shawna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:24:24 -0800 From: heidi burtt Subject: Re: MM: reply to reply to lyrics (moses) - --------------9501286AA3D815F9007AA9C8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're right, we are all right and this is kinda fun! Thanks! : - ) Heidi Shawna9775 wrote: > In a message dated 98-01-15 17:56:24 EST, you write: > > << Lyrics > seem to always mean different things to different people, don't you think? >> > > Everyone interprets everything based on their own perception of reality taken > from personal experience...so if everyone has different experiences, everyone > will have different interpretations...we're all right... > > I think this is fun...I love hearing what everyone else thinks...I love > analyzing poetry and lyrics... > > Shawna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:12:45 EST From: LeShawnte Subject: MM: suggestions if you're totally into patty, well thus being a M&Mer, i suggest Jonatha Brooke formerly from the Story and Catie Curtis. They have some really great records!!! just sharing, Shawnte' Inconsolable (J.Brooke) I never knew what enough was, until I'd had more than my share I let the darkness in, and it was then i lost the dare It was then I'd lost the day There will be no prayers on your return And there will be no party thrown And you will find your inheritance is the silence that's grown... It is the seed that you've sown 'Cause you were the one sure thing The one sure thing Maybe I'm not crazy, just inconsolable Inconsolable There is no mystery to be revealed And so we tell the truth and then run I love you because I love you And I did think that you were the one But now I've seen who you've become 'Cause you were the one sure thing The one sure thing Maybe I'm not crazy, just inconsolable Inconsolable ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:41:52 EST From: JessiDenis Subject: MM: A few words. Hi Patty Fans~ This is my first day on "the list". Since I'm sitting here bubbling over with passion and affection for Patty Griffin and her heavenly music, I thought I'd spill it. Last time, I promise :-) I'm a thirty year old mother of two. I've never been a groupie, or even a big "fan" of any performer, ever. (excluding the donny osmond thing) Since hearing patty sing "let him fly" on the radio, attending two of her concerts, and actually chatting with her for a few moments...I have to say I've NEVER been so moved. My spirit soars with her voice... I read articles about her opening for this performer, or taking a backseat to that one...and I'm stunned! Her talent is exceptional, so many of us are at those concerts JUST to see her perform. There is talk of her playing with a band...etc...but it's the purity of her voice and guitar that set her apart from the rest. I hope she stays solo. The only problem is the wait. The wait for the next CD~! Are there any other Patty recordings out there that I can get ahold of? I've listened to the online clip of "I write the book" a dozen times...can't get enough. Okay....I'm done, thanks for your patience. :-) Jessie ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #14 ********************************