From: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org (lucy-list-digest) To: lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: lucy-list-digest V9 #92 Reply-To: lucy-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk lucy-list-digest Thursday, December 25 2008 Volume 09 : Number 092 In this issue: Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:39:13 +0000 From: "Kevin" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song I requested Lucy play this very song at one of the recent dates she did here in the UK, and she said "Oh, that's an angry song, I have to work up to that one - but I will play it for you". And she was good to her word, in the second half of the show she did play it, although without any explanation of the lyrics. She did a real good job of it as well, even though every time she comes to the UK she seems to have a cold and has to suck cough drops through the entire show. Actually, her need to change the registers of some of the songs, and recreate some lower melodies for some others, created a really interesting show with some very fine versions of some of her most classic songs. Kevin *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 23-Dec-2008 at 22:15 Gina Golde wrote: >I didnt want to assume that it was about Lucy. The other assumption >that I >seem to make is that the Psychologist is male. Anyone else feel it that >way >when listening to the song? Apparently Susan has had the real life >experience >of hearing Lucy discuss this and verifies that both therapists were male, >but >the lyrics dont say anything about the gender of the therapist. I >actually >thought that the song was about an angry break up of a romantic >relationship. >Ive seen male Psychologists as well as men who werent Psychologists >behave >the way Lucy describes. Both types of relationships involve intimacy. >Power >plays can really be fueled by vulnerability and trust. I hate when that >happens > >I have always liked the song. There is a sense of empowerment and >strength that is conveyed that I find quite satisfying. In concert, Lucy >would often be apologetic about her angry trilogy. The angry trilogy >included, Turn the Lights Back On, The Thief, and Guilty as Sin. Do >I >have the last one right? Was it, No More Excuses? I would guess that we >have all had experiences with people behaving like in the songs and it can >be a bit cathartic to listen to an angry song. I think thats why Alanis >Morissetts song, You Oughta Know was a hit! Or was it just because of >the >theater thing? > >Anyway, no special reason that I was asking about the >song. I was just listening to it and wondering about it. I now wonder if >the >Psychologist knows the song and that it is about him? > >Gina > >To: lucy-list@smoe.org >Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 >9:29:40 AM >Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song > >I don't know >if "betraying a client's trust" is the right way to put it. Lucy has said >in >concert that while getting her PhD in therapy she, of course, had to go to >therapy (it's a requirement of the training). She was still singing >occasionally during her studies. She eventually got a new therapist who >asked >her a question the first therapist never did. Now I can't remember the >exact >question but essentially he asked something like - do you want to sing? Or >why >are you studying to be a therapist when you love to sing? The new therapist >basically asked the one question which she needed to hear so she could >really >be happy. So the song is about the "bad" therapist who was so caught up in >himself that he never really listened to or heard Lucy and the time she >wasted >with that therapist. > >That's my memory - I may have some live recordings >somewhere when she talked about this - but that's my memory of what she's >said >about it. > >Susan > >PS Happy Chanukah (and Merry Christmas). > >----- Original >Message ----- >From: "Gina Golde" >To: lucy-list@smoe.org >Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 10:11:49 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific >Subject: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song > >Once upon a time, when we >actually had discussions on this list, someone said >something about Lucy's >song, "Turn the Lights Back On" being about a therapist >betraying a client's >trust. Anybody know any more about this? > >Gina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 07:24:48 -0800 (PST) From: Gina Golde Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song Plane flight seems to be a high risk activity when it comes to colds. But, if Lucy never had that cold in the UK, we would never have had the great Ricola story. Gina ________________________________ From: Kevin To: lucy-list@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 12:39:13 AM Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song I requested Lucy play this very song at one of the recent dates she did here in the UK, and she said "Oh, that's an angry song, I have to work up to that one - but I will play it for you". And she was good to her word, in the second half of the show she did play it, although without any explanation of the lyrics. She did a real good job of it as well, even though every time she comes to the UK she seems to have a cold and has to suck cough drops through the entire show. Actually, her need to change the registers of some of the songs, and recreate some lower melodies for some others, created a really interesting show with some very fine versions of some of her most classic songs. Kevin *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 23-Dec-2008 at 22:15 Gina Golde wrote: >I didnt want to assume that it was about Lucy. The other assumption >that I >seem to make is that the Psychologist is male. Anyone else feel it that >way >when listening to the song? Apparently Susan has had the real life >experience >of hearing Lucy discuss this and verifies that both therapists were male, >but >the lyrics dont say anything about the gender of the therapist. I >actually >thought that the song was about an angry break up of a romantic >relationship. >Ive seen male Psychologists as well as men who werent Psychologists >behave >the way Lucy describes. Both types of relationships involve intimacy. >Power >plays can really be fueled by vulnerability and trust. I hate when that >happens > >I have always liked the song. There is a sense of empowerment and >strength that is conveyed that I find quite satisfying. In concert, Lucy >would often be apologetic about her angry trilogy. The angry trilogy >included, Turn the Lights Back On, The Thief, and Guilty as Sin. Do >I >have the last one right? Was it, No More Excuses? I would guess that we >have all had experiences with people behaving like in the songs and it can >be a bit cathartic to listen to an angry song. I think thats why Alanis >Morissetts song, You Oughta Know was a hit! Or was it just because of >the >theater thing? > >Anyway, no special reason that I was asking about the >song. I was just listening to it and wondering about it. I now wonder if >the >Psychologist knows the song and that it is about him? > >Gina > >To: lucy-list@smoe.org >Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 >9:29:40 AM >Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song > >I don't know >if "betraying a client's trust" is the right way to put it. Lucy has said >in >concert that while getting her PhD in therapy she, of course, had to go to >therapy (it's a requirement of the training). She was still singing >occasionally during her studies. She eventually got a new therapist who >asked >her a question the first therapist never did. Now I can't remember the >exact >question but essentially he asked something like - do you want to sing? Or >why >are you studying to be a therapist when you love to sing? The new therapist >basically asked the one question which she needed to hear so she could >really >be happy. So the song is about the "bad" therapist who was so caught up in >himself that he never really listened to or heard Lucy and the time she >wasted >with that therapist. > >That's my memory - I may have some live recordings >somewhere when she talked about this - but that's my memory of what she's >said >about it. > >Susan > >PS Happy Chanukah (and Merry Christmas). > >----- Original >Message ----- >From: "Gina Golde" >To: lucy-list@smoe.org >Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 10:11:49 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific >Subject: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song > >Once upon a time, when we >actually had discussions on this list, someone said >something about Lucy's >song, "Turn the Lights Back On" being about a therapist >betraying a client's >trust. Anybody know any more about this? > >Gina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 01:48:31 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song for the escape moment: 'Guilty as sin', because it's one of her finest (yes I know there's plenty to choose from), and because I asked for it and she played it when I saw her in Cambridge in October, oh happy day. for the new year dawning: 'It ain't me babe', which Lucy started with in Cambridge and which I'd no idea she did, it was wonderful, and there's something about such a fine songwriter taking a gem from one of the original fine songwriters and making it her own while she sang it (like Cash with 'Hurt', like a rare and unique artist will do). Merry Xmas btw, fellow Lucy-philes. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gina Golde" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song > My first choice for both the escape moment and the new year dawning would > be a > cover not yet recorded. I would listen to "Let It Be" - Lucy on piano. > It's > such a beautiful comfort song and Lucy really brings the special treatment > that the song deserves. > > Gina > > > > > ________________________________ > From: > Peter Cox > To: lucy-list@smoe.org > Sent: Tuesday, > December 23, 2008 1:35:58 AM > Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy > song > > Discussion? Hmmm? > > 'n. examination by argument; a debate; a > conversation;' > > So, given that it's likely most listers (regardless of faith, > race, > political affiliation, geographical location etc) will have a moment > over > the next couple of weeks when they'd just like to be on their own, away > from > the hustle, bustle and materialist madness... taking a special moment > to > look ahead or to reflect... or to be transported out of their own lives > for > just three minutes... or just to be lost in the moment... you get the > picture? > > Which Lucy track would you listen to in that moment? And why? > Maybe the song you'd listen to as the old year ends? Then the song you'd > listen to as the new year dawns. > > I've always thought of this list as a > something akin to an invisible Red > Thread - linking us all. > > Hmmm? Have to > go away and come up with a song suggestion now! > > Peter, in Wales UK. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gina Golde" > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:11 AM > Subject: > [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song > > >> Once upon a time, when we actually > had discussions on this list, someone >> said >> something about Lucy's song, > "Turn the Lights Back On" being about a >> therapist >> betraying a client's > trust. Anybody know any more about this? >> >> Gina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:43:08 -0800 (PST) From: Gina Golde Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song Tim, Lucy recorded "It ain't Me Babe" on a compilation album called "A Nod to Bob." She was definitely a highlight of that album as was Cliff Eberhardt singing, "I Want You." Gina ________________________________ From: Tim To: lucy-list@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 5:48:31 PM Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song for the escape moment: 'Guilty as sin', because it's one of her finest (yes I know there's plenty to choose from), and because I asked for it and she played it when I saw her in Cambridge in October, oh happy day. for the new year dawning: 'It ain't me babe', which Lucy started with in Cambridge and which I'd no idea she did, it was wonderful, and there's something about such a fine songwriter taking a gem from one of the original fine songwriters and making it her own while she sang it (like Cash with 'Hurt', like a rare and unique artist will do). Merry Xmas btw, fellow Lucy-philes. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gina Golde" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song > My first choice for both the escape moment and the new year dawning would > be a > cover not yet recorded. I would listen to "Let It Be" - Lucy on piano. > It's > such a beautiful comfort song and Lucy really brings the special treatment > that the song deserves. > > Gina > > > > > ________________________________ > From: > Peter Cox > To: lucy-list@smoe.org > Sent: Tuesday, > December 23, 2008 1:35:58 AM > Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy > song > > Discussion? Hmmm? > > 'n. examination by argument; a debate; a > conversation;' > > So, given that it's likely most listers (regardless of faith, > race, > political affiliation, geographical location etc) will have a moment > over > the next couple of weeks when they'd just like to be on their own, away > from > the hustle, bustle and materialist madness... taking a special moment > to > look ahead or to reflect... or to be transported out of their own lives > for > just three minutes... or just to be lost in the moment... you get the > picture? > > Which Lucy track would you listen to in that moment? And why? > Maybe the song you'd listen to as the old year ends? Then the song you'd > listen to as the new year dawns. > > I've always thought of this list as a > something akin to an invisible Red > Thread - linking us all. > > Hmmm? Have to > go away and come up with a song suggestion now! > > Peter, in Wales UK. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gina Golde" > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:11 AM > Subject: > [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song > > >> Once upon a time, when we actually > had discussions on this list, someone >> said >> something about Lucy's song, > "Turn the Lights Back On" being about a >> therapist >> betraying a client's > trust. Anybody know any more about this? >> >> Gina ------------------------------ End of lucy-list-digest V9 #92 ****************************** This has been a posting from the Lucy Kaplansky mail list digest To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe lucy-list-digest" in the body of the message