From: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org (lucy-list-digest) To: lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: lucy-list-digest V9 #91 Reply-To: lucy-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk lucy-list-digest Wednesday, December 24 2008 Volume 09 : Number 091 In this issue: Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song RE: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:35:58 -0000 From: "Peter Cox" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song Discussion? Hmmm? 'n. examination by argument; a debate; a conversation;' So, given that it's likely most listers (regardless of faith, race, political affiliation, geographical location etc) will have a moment over the next couple of weeks when they'd just like to be on their own, away from the hustle, bustle and materialist madness... taking a special moment to look ahead or to reflect... or to be transported out of their own lives for just three minutes... or just to be lost in the moment... you get the picture? Which Lucy track would you listen to in that moment? And why? Maybe the song you'd listen to as the old year ends? Then the song you'd listen to as the new year dawns. I've always thought of this list as a something akin to an invisible Red Thread - linking us all. Hmmm? Have to go away and come up with a song suggestion now! Peter, in Wales UK. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gina Golde" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:11 AM Subject: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song > Once upon a time, when we actually had discussions on this list, someone > said > something about Lucy's song, "Turn the Lights Back On" being about a > therapist > betraying a client's trust. Anybody know any more about this? > > Gina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:52:08 -0500 From: "Karl J. Zuk" Subject: RE: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song Gina: I don't think there is any doubt that this song is rooted from Lucy's past professional experience. Maybe someone can comment if Lucy has explained its content in concert or in print. It certainly sounds bitter and terse. You have to feel compassion for the voice of the song's lyrics. Selfishly, one's curiousity is piqued. Your opening question to Lucy might be" "Hey, who is this about?" Is there a reason that you are inquisitive about this particular song? Karl Zuk> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:11:49 -0800> From: togg@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song> To: lucy-list@smoe.org> > Once upon a time, when we actually had discussions on this list, someone said> something about Lucy's song, "Turn the Lights Back On" being about a therapist> betraying a client's trust. Anybody know any more about this? > > Gina _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122 008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:29:40 +0000 (UTC) From: "Susan Krauss (sekrauss@comcast.net)" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song I don't know if "betraying a client's trust" is the right way to put it. Lucy has said in concert that while getting her PhD in therapy she, of course, had to go to therapy (it's a requirement of the training). She was still singing occasionally during her studies. She eventually got a new therapist who asked her a question the first therapist never did. Now I can't remember the exact question but essentially he asked something like - do you want to sing? Or why are you studying to be a therapist when you love to sing? The new therapist basically asked the one question which she needed to hear so she could really be happy. So the song is about the "bad" therapist who was so caught up in himself that he never really listened to or heard Lucy and the time she wasted with that therapist. That's my memory - I may have some live recordings somewhere when she talked about this - but that's my memory of what she's said about it. Susan PS Happy Chanukah (and Merry Christmas). - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gina Golde" To: lucy-list@smoe.org Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 10:11:49 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song Once upon a time, when we actually had discussions on this list, someone said something about Lucy's song, "Turn the Lights Back On" being about a therapist betraying a client's trust. Anybody know any more about this? Gina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:21:54 -0800 (PST) From: Gina Golde Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song My first choice for both the escape moment and the new year dawning would be a cover not yet recorded. I would listen to "Let It Be" - Lucy on piano. It's such a beautiful comfort song and Lucy really brings the special treatment that the song deserves. Gina ________________________________ From: Peter Cox To: lucy-list@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 1:35:58 AM Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song Discussion? Hmmm? 'n. examination by argument; a debate; a conversation;' So, given that it's likely most listers (regardless of faith, race, political affiliation, geographical location etc) will have a moment over the next couple of weeks when they'd just like to be on their own, away from the hustle, bustle and materialist madness... taking a special moment to look ahead or to reflect... or to be transported out of their own lives for just three minutes... or just to be lost in the moment... you get the picture? Which Lucy track would you listen to in that moment? And why? Maybe the song you'd listen to as the old year ends? Then the song you'd listen to as the new year dawns. I've always thought of this list as a something akin to an invisible Red Thread - linking us all. Hmmm? Have to go away and come up with a song suggestion now! Peter, in Wales UK. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gina Golde" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:11 AM Subject: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song > Once upon a time, when we actually had discussions on this list, someone > said > something about Lucy's song, "Turn the Lights Back On" being about a > therapist > betraying a client's trust. Anybody know any more about this? > > Gina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:15:40 -0800 (PST) From: Gina Golde Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song I didnt want to assume that it was about Lucy. The other assumption that I seem to make is that the Psychologist is male. Anyone else feel it that way when listening to the song? Apparently Susan has had the real life experience of hearing Lucy discuss this and verifies that both therapists were male, but the lyrics dont say anything about the gender of the therapist. I actually thought that the song was about an angry break up of a romantic relationship. Ive seen male Psychologists as well as men who werent Psychologists behave the way Lucy describes. Both types of relationships involve intimacy. Power plays can really be fueled by vulnerability and trust. I hate when that happens I have always liked the song. There is a sense of empowerment and strength that is conveyed that I find quite satisfying. In concert, Lucy would often be apologetic about her angry trilogy. The angry trilogy included, Turn the Lights Back On, The Thief, and Guilty as Sin. Do I have the last one right? Was it, No More Excuses? I would guess that we have all had experiences with people behaving like in the songs and it can be a bit cathartic to listen to an angry song. I think thats why Alanis Morissetts song, You Oughta Know was a hit! Or was it just because of the theater thing? Anyway, no special reason that I was asking about the song. I was just listening to it and wondering about it. I now wonder if the Psychologist knows the song and that it is about him? Gina To: lucy-list@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 9:29:40 AM Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song I don't know if "betraying a client's trust" is the right way to put it. Lucy has said in concert that while getting her PhD in therapy she, of course, had to go to therapy (it's a requirement of the training). She was still singing occasionally during her studies. She eventually got a new therapist who asked her a question the first therapist never did. Now I can't remember the exact question but essentially he asked something like - do you want to sing? Or why are you studying to be a therapist when you love to sing? The new therapist basically asked the one question which she needed to hear so she could really be happy. So the song is about the "bad" therapist who was so caught up in himself that he never really listened to or heard Lucy and the time she wasted with that therapist. That's my memory - I may have some live recordings somewhere when she talked about this - but that's my memory of what she's said about it. Susan PS Happy Chanukah (and Merry Christmas). - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gina Golde" To: lucy-list@smoe.org Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 10:11:49 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [lucy-list] Question about a Lucy song Once upon a time, when we actually had discussions on this list, someone said something about Lucy's song, "Turn the Lights Back On" being about a therapist betraying a client's trust. Anybody know any more about this? Gina ------------------------------ End of lucy-list-digest V9 #91 ****************************** This has been a posting from the Lucy Kaplansky mail list digest To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe lucy-list-digest" in the body of the message