From: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org (lucy-list-digest) To: lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: lucy-list-digest V9 #82 Reply-To: lucy-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk lucy-list-digest Sunday, November 2 2008 Volume 09 : Number 082 In this issue: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama [lucy-list] Lucy across the pond RE: [lucy-list] Barack Obama Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama Re: [lucy-list] Lucy across the pond Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama [lucy-list] Songwriting and Politics Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama Re: [lucy-list] Jay [lucy-list] More songwriters... Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama RE: [lucy-list] Barack Obama Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 01:47:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Gina Golde Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama The type of music that Lucy writes and performs is very personal and reveals her feelings about many things - some intimate and some not so intimate. This is very much a part of what people like and want from her work. Why should she then be expected to withhold sharing her choice of presidential candidates? News flash - folk singers are traditionally liberal.. If they should appear on stage with a T-shirt supporting their candidate or to make a comment or two, why is anybody surprised or upset by this? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:07:02 +0000 From: "pdcmusic@freeuk.com" Subject: [lucy-list] Lucy across the pond Any UK listers get to see Lucy on her visit last month? (I missed her) I see she's coming back in December to play a few dates up North (too far for me, unfortunately). very best Paul Castle On Tour Across the Pond Blog http://ontouracrossthepond.blogspot.com Subscribe to RSS feed http://feeds.feedburner.com/blogspot/iZqL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:35:58 +0000 From: jaimy criswell Subject: RE: [lucy-list] Barack Obama Great point! We all have the freedom to wear a T shirt supporting our candidate to her shows, why shouldn't the same be allowed for her? Choosing not to appreciate Lucy's deep talent anylonger just because she has an opinion that may differ from yours is petty, I believe. Folk musicians write music to inspire the common folk, about their hard work and trials, not just those who may come from wealthy backgrounds. I'm proud of you Lucy!! > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 01:47:17 -0700> From: togg@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama> To: lucy-list@smoe.org> > The type of music that Lucy writes and performs is very personal and reveals her feelings about many things - some intimate and some not so intimate. This is very much a part of what people like and want from her work. Why should she then be expected to withhold sharing her choice of presidential candidates? News flash - folk singers are traditionally liberal.. If they should appear on stage with a> T-shirt supporting their candidate or to make a comment or two, why is anybody surprised or upset by this? _________________________________________________________________ Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:04:13 -0600 From: JHawk74 Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama All of the banter about what Lucy wore or didn't wear is about the e-mail sender's opinions. It isn't about Lucy's. Just enjoy her music and the comments she shares at her shows. The attempts to swift"note" her because of a t-shirt is seen for what it is. In a message dated 11/02/08 06:39:54 Central Standard Time, neuro29@hotmail.com writes: Great point! We all have the freedom to wear a T shirt supporting our candidate to her shows, why shouldn't the same be allowed for her? Choosing not to appreciate Lucy's deep talent anylonger just because she has an opinion that may differ from yours is petty, I believe. Folk musicians write music to inspire the common folk, about their hard work and trials, not just those who may come from wealthy backgrounds. I'm proud of you Lucy!! > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 01:47:17 -0700> From: togg@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama> To: lucy-list@smoe.org> > The type of music that Lucy writes and performs is very personal and reveals her feelings about many things - some intimate and some not so intimate. This is very much a part of what people like and want from her work. Why should she then be expected to withhold sharing her choice of presidential candidates? News flash - folk singers are traditionally liberal.. If they should appear on stage with a> T-shirt supporting their candidate or to make a comment or two, why is anybody surprised or upset by this? _________________________________________________________________ Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:25:51 EST From: JLustick@aol.com Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama A silly discussion in my opinion. Like any other citizen Lucy has the right to display her support and I would be willing to bet that there were a lot of fans at her concerts displaying their support for one candidate or another. It also does not sound like she was attempting to force her opinions on anyone so what is the big deal. Whoever she supports enjoy her musical and songwriting abilities-isn't that why you go to see her???? **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:12:10 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Lucy across the pond Yep, exactly a week ago in Cambridge. Which was brilliant, as I live in Ireland now and was coming back here the next day (same time Lucy was heading back stateside). I'd not caught Lucy live before and she was great, for that matter I'd not been to Cambridge Junction before either, and that was good too; Junction2 to be precise, since Seth Lakeman was in Junction1 same time. It reminded me very much of Union Chapel (London), where I saw Shawn Colvin a couple of years back: you're sat there very close to the stage, and it's an intimate concert. Which is a very apt way to finally see Ms Kaplansky live. Lucy did indeed mention the election, the likelihood that Obama might well be days away from winning, and why wouldn't she? The top prize for dumb response about Lucy airing political views on here goes to he who said 'I just quit being a long time Lucy fan. Shut up and sing.' Just like the Dixie Chicks you mean? Regards, Tim Powell. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:07 AM Subject: [lucy-list] Lucy across the pond > Any UK listers get to see Lucy on her visit last month? > (I missed her) > > I see she's coming back in December to play a few dates > up North (too far for me, unfortunately). > > very best > Paul Castle > On Tour Across the Pond Blog > http://ontouracrossthepond.blogspot.com > Subscribe to RSS feed > http://feeds.feedburner.com/blogspot/iZqL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 16:47:37 +0000 From: massage13@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama JHawk and others, In response...when I pay for concert, I am paying to be entertained. Not hear a political message. Now I will not stop being a fan of Lucy's, but won't sit and listen either. I love Lucy's music, but not her politics. Kara Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T - -----Original Message----- From: JHawk74 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:04:13 To: Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama All of the banter about what Lucy wore or didn't wear is about the e-mail sender's opinions. It isn't about Lucy's. Just enjoy her music and the comments she shares at her shows. The attempts to swift"note" her because of a t-shirt is seen for what it is. In a message dated 11/02/08 06:39:54 Central Standard Time, neuro29@hotmail.com writes: Great point! We all have the freedom to wear a T shirt supporting our candidate to her shows, why shouldn't the same be allowed for her? Choosing not to appreciate Lucy's deep talent anylonger just because she has an opinion that may differ from yours is petty, I believe. Folk musicians write music to inspire the common folk, about their hard work and trials, not just those who may come from wealthy backgrounds. I'm proud of you Lucy!! > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 01:47:17 -0700> From: togg@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama> To: lucy-list@smoe.org> > The type of music that Lucy writes and performs is very personal and reveals her feelings about many things - some intimate and some not so intimate. This is very much a part of what people like and want from her work. Why should she then be expected to withhold sharing her choice of presidential candidates? News flash - folk singers are traditionally liberal.. If they should appear on stage with a> T-shirt supporting their candidate or to make a comment or two, why is anybody surprised or upset by this? _________________________________________________________________ Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:17:28 -0800 (PST) From: Gina Golde Subject: [lucy-list] Songwriting and Politics Here is another aspect of songwriting and politics. Besides the fact that Jackson Browne is suing for the illegal use of his song, "Running on Empty" in a McCain campaign ad, we have this situation involving songwriter Gretchen Peters: When the GOP used "Independence Day" to usher Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin to the stage after the debate in St. Louis, Peters realized the party was truly perverting the chorus of her composition to suit their agenda and it was high time for Peters to make her feelings known." Independence Day," written by Peters, was a hit for country singer Martina McBride in 1994. The lyrics tell the story of a woman's response to domestic abuse from the point of view of her daughter. "The fact that the McCain/Palin campaign is using a song about an abused woman as a rallying cry for their Vice Presidential candidate, a woman who would ban abortion even in cases of rape and incest, is beyond irony," Peters says. "They are co-opting the song, completely overlooking the context and message, and using it to promote a candidate who would set women's rights back decades. I've decided to donate the royalties from 'Independence Day' during this election cycle to Planned Parenthood, in Sarah Palin's name. I hope with the additional income provided by the McCain/Palin campaign, Planned Parenthood will be able to help many more women in need." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:32:25 -0800 (PST) From: Gina Golde Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama This is certainly your choice, Kara. But, in my opinion, it will also be your loss. Lucy live is great experience. - ----- Original Message ---- From: "massage13@nc.rr.com" To: lucy-list@smoe.org Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2008 8:47:37 AM Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama JHawk and others, In response...when I pay for concert, I am paying to be entertained. Not hear a political message. Now I will not stop being a fan of Lucy's, but won't sit and listen either. I love Lucy's music, but not her politics. Kara Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T - -----Original Message----- From: JHawk74 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:04:13 To: Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama All of the banter about what Lucy wore or didn't wear is about the e-mail sender's opinions. It isn't about Lucy's. Just enjoy her music and the comments she shares at her shows. The attempts to swift"note" her because of a t-shirt is seen for what it is. In a message dated 11/02/08 06:39:54 Central Standard Time, neuro29@hotmail.com writes: Great point! We all have the freedom to wear a T shirt supporting our candidate to her shows, why shouldn't the same be allowed for her? Choosing not to appreciate Lucy's deep talent anylonger just because she has an opinion that may differ from yours is petty, I believe. Folk musicians write music to inspire the common folk, about their hard work and trials, not just those who may come from wealthy backgrounds. I'm proud of you Lucy!! > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 01:47:17 -0700> From: togg@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama> To: lucy-list@smoe.org> > The type of music that Lucy writes and performs is very personal and reveals her feelings about many things - some intimate and some not so intimate. This is very much a part of what people like and want from her work. Why should she then be expected to withhold sharing her choice of presidential candidates? News flash - folk singers are traditionally liberal.. If they should appear on stage with a> T-shirt supporting their candidate or to make a comment or two, why is anybody surprised or upset by this? _________________________________________________________________ Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:46:48 -0500 From: Sheila Turner Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Jay I was so sorry to hear of Jay's passing. Our paths had crossed many times in various songwriting classes and such and we'd keep in sporadic touch throughout the years. He was a gem of a man and will be greatly missed. Thanks for sharing the news of the tribute concert. ~ Sheila ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:47:17 -0800 (PST) From: Gina Golde Subject: [lucy-list] More songwriters... In case anybody is interested in a bit more about the songwriter/political campaign issue, check this out: http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/10/10/stop-using-my-song-republicans-a-guide-to-disgruntled-rockers/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:13:54 -0600 From: JHawk74 Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama I rest my case. In a message dated 11/02/08 11:53:02 Central Standard Time, togg@sbcglobal.net writes: This is certainly your choice, Kara. But, in my opinion, it will also be your loss. Lucy live is great experience. - ----- Original Message ---- From: "massage13@nc.rr.com" To: lucy-list@smoe.org Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2008 8:47:37 AM Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama JHawk and others, In response...when I pay for concert, I am paying to be entertained. Not hear a political message. Now I will not stop being a fan of Lucy's, but won't sit and listen either. I love Lucy's music, but not her politics. Kara Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T - -----Original Message----- From: JHawk74 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:04:13 To: Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama All of the banter about what Lucy wore or didn't wear is about the e-mail sender's opinions. It isn't about Lucy's. Just enjoy her music and the comments she shares at her shows. The attempts to swift"note" her because of a t-shirt is seen for what it is. In a message dated 11/02/08 06:39:54 Central Standard Time, neuro29@hotmail.com writes: Great point! We all have the freedom to wear a T shirt supporting our candidate to her shows, why shouldn't the same be allowed for her? Choosing not to appreciate Lucy's deep talent anylonger just because she has an opinion that may differ from yours is petty, I believe. Folk musicians write music to inspire the common folk, about their hard work and trials, not just those who may come from wealthy backgrounds. I'm proud of you Lucy!! > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 01:47:17 -0700> From: togg@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama> To: lucy-list@smoe.org> > The type of music that Lucy writes and performs is very personal and reveals her feelings about many things - some intimate and some not so intimate. This is very much a part of what people like and want from her work. Why should she then be expected to withhold sharing her choice of presidential candidates? News flash - folk singers are traditionally liberal.. If they should appear on stage with a> T-shirt supporting their candidate or to make a comment or two, why is anybody surprised or upset by this? _________________________________________________________________ Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:22:34 -0500 From: "Kara Prater" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama Jay, If I am Swift "noting" Lucy, please tell me how. If I remember correctly, like you I am entitled to freedom of speech, as is Lucy. Just the same, I can make my voice heard by walking out during the political message and coming back once she starts singing again. When I PAY to go to a concert, I am leaving my world behind and escaping for a night. I am getting hit every which way with political CRAP. All I said in my initial post was to make up your own mind. Be educated and make an informed decision on who you choose to vote for. Don't vote based on skin color or because your favorite singer tells you to. This has hurt Dave Matthews Band and the Dixie Chicks previously. It's called backlash. I have a friend who packaged up all of her cd's after the Dixie Chicks pulled their crap overseas and sent them back to the band. The Chicks made their statement, then my friend made hers. I love the Chicks music, but I won't buy another cd or pay itunes for a song. I'll burn copies from friends, but the Chicks will never see a dime of my money again. Politics are a rough topic...I make a point of not talking them with people I love, like or respect because those conversations can get heated or ugly. We have a woman at my church who is using her position and platform at the church to further her political agenda. Campaigning for a candidate. I don't care which candidate it is, it does not belong in that forum. So Jay, if you wanna say I am swift "noting (boating)" Lucy, you might want to re-check that statement. If Lucy wants to make a political statement, that is her right, it is also my right and anyone else's right to tell her, whether with our money or any other way, that we don't care for it. If that is swift noting...oh well. I would just rather keep politics out of something I enjoy...just my humble opinion and I am entitled to it, as you are yours. I just don't have to agree with it. Kara - ----- Original Message ----- From: "JHawk74" To: Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama >I rest my case. > > > > In a message dated 11/02/08 11:53:02 Central Standard Time, > togg@sbcglobal.net writes: > This is certainly your choice, Kara. But, in my opinion, it will also be > your loss. Lucy live is great experience. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "massage13@nc.rr.com" > To: lucy-list@smoe.org > Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2008 8:47:37 AM > Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama > > JHawk and others, > In response...when I pay for concert, I am paying to be entertained. Not > hear a political message. Now I will not stop being a fan of Lucy's, but > won't sit and listen either. I love Lucy's music, but not her politics. > > Kara > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: JHawk74 > > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:04:13 > To: > Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama > > > All of the banter about what Lucy wore or didn't wear is about the e-mail > sender's opinions. It isn't about Lucy's. Just enjoy her music and the > comments she shares at her shows. The attempts to swift"note" her because > of a t-shirt is seen for what it is. > > > > > In a message dated 11/02/08 06:39:54 Central Standard Time, > neuro29@hotmail.com writes: > Great point! We all have the freedom to wear a T shirt supporting our > candidate to her shows, why shouldn't the same be allowed for her? > Choosing > not to appreciate Lucy's deep talent anylonger just because she has an > opinion > that may differ from yours is petty, I believe. Folk musicians write music > to > inspire the common folk, about their hard work and trials, not just those > who > may come from wealthy backgrounds. I'm proud of you Lucy!! > Date: Sun, 2 > Nov > 2008 01:47:17 -0700> From: togg@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [lucy-list] > Barack > Obama> To: lucy-list@smoe.org> > The type of music that Lucy writes and > performs is very personal and reveals her feelings about many things - > some > intimate and some not so intimate. This is very much a part of what people > like and want from her work. Why should she then be expected to withhold > sharing her choice of presidential candidates? News flash - folk singers > are > traditionally liberal.. If they should appear on stage with a> T-shirt > supporting their candidate or to make a comment or two, why is anybody > surprised or upset by this? > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. > http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:18:27 -0600 From: JHawk74 Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama It seems to be all about you again. You are reading way more into my brief comment than was ever written or intended. And I absolutely agree with your right to disagree. Let's see, you will burn copies from friends cds but won't pay another dime to the Chicks since you disagree with their political viewpoint. It truly is all about the music then isn't it? I rest my case once again, respectfully. In a message dated 11/02/08 13:31:56 Central Standard Time, massage13@nc.rr.com writes: Jay, If I am Swift "noting" Lucy, please tell me how. If I remember correctly, like you I am entitled to freedom of speech, as is Lucy. Just the same, I can make my voice heard by walking out during the political message and coming back once she starts singing again. When I PAY to go to a concert, I am leaving my world behind and escaping for a night. I am getting hit every which way with political CRAP. All I said in my initial post was to make up your own mind. Be educated and make an informed decision on who you choose to vote for. Don't vote based on skin color or because your favorite singer tells you to. This has hurt Dave Matthews Band and the Dixie Chicks previously. It's called backlash. I have a friend who packaged up all of her cd's after the Dixie Chicks pulled their crap overseas and sent them back to the band. The Chicks made their statement, then my friend made hers. I love the Chicks music, but I won't buy another cd or pay itunes for a song. I'll burn copies from friends, but the Chicks will never see a dime of my money again. Politics are a rough topic...I make a point of not talking them with people I love, like or respect because those conversations can get heated or ugly. We have a woman at my church who is using her position and platform at the church to further her political agenda. Campaigning for a candidate. I don't care which candidate it is, it does not belong in that forum. So Jay, if you wanna say I am swift "noting (boating)" Lucy, you might want to re-check that statement. If Lucy wants to make a political statement, that is her right, it is also my right and anyone else's right to tell her, whether with our money or any other way, that we don't care for it. If that is swift noting...oh well. I would just rather keep politics out of something I enjoy...just my humble opinion and I am entitled to it, as you are yours. I just don't have to agree with it. Kara - ----- Original Message ----- From: "JHawk74" To: Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama >I rest my case. > > > > In a message dated 11/02/08 11:53:02 Central Standard Time, > togg@sbcglobal.net writes: > This is certainly your choice, Kara. But, in my opinion, it will also be > your loss. Lucy live is great experience. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "massage13@nc.rr.com" > To: lucy-list@smoe.org > Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2008 8:47:37 AM > Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama > > JHawk and others, > In response...when I pay for concert, I am paying to be entertained. Not > hear a political message. Now I will not stop being a fan of Lucy's, but > won't sit and listen either. I love Lucy's music, but not her politics. > > Kara > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: JHawk74 > > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:04:13 > To: > Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama > > > All of the banter about what Lucy wore or didn't wear is about the e-mail > sender's opinions. It isn't about Lucy's. Just enjoy her music and the > comments she shares at her shows. The attempts to swift"note" her because > of a t-shirt is seen for what it is. > > > > > In a message dated 11/02/08 06:39:54 Central Standard Time, > neuro29@hotmail.com writes: > Great point! We all have the freedom to wear a T shirt supporting our > candidate to her shows, why shouldn't the same be allowed for her? > Choosing > not to appreciate Lucy's deep talent anylonger just because she has an > opinion > that may differ from yours is petty, I believe. Folk musicians write music > to > inspire the common folk, about their hard work and trials, not just those > who > may come from wealthy backgrounds. I'm proud of you Lucy!! > Date: Sun, 2 > Nov > 2008 01:47:17 -0700> From: togg@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [lucy-list] > Barack > Obama> To: lucy-list@smoe.org> > The type of music that Lucy writes and > performs is very personal and reveals her feelings about many things - > some > intimate and some not so intimate. This is very much a part of what people > like and want from her work. Why should she then be expected to withhold > sharing her choice of presidential candidates? News flash - folk singers > are > traditionally liberal.. If they should appear on stage with a> T-shirt > supporting their candidate or to make a comment or two, why is anybody > surprised or upset by this? > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. > http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:19:10 -0500 From: "Thomas Huot" Subject: RE: [lucy-list] Barack Obama Since I seem to have started this whole thing, maybe I should be clear in what I was saying. I don't really see how wearing a button is a big deal, but it may offend some people in the audience. Personally I think a button is relatively innocuous. When a performer starts promoting one candidate or the other during the show verbally, I might feel as though I am wasting my money. To be honest, if I were a folk singer, knowing they don't exactly rake in the cash like the idiots in Hollywood, I would keep my opinion to myself to retain every possible customer. Since this race is not exactly a runaway by either side, the possibility exists that up to one half of the people attending the show may or may not resent to varying degrees the opinion being made. The message can come from a well written song and in most cases nobody would notice. I choose not to express my opinion on my political leanings here, and you may be surprised at the choice I made in the election. However, every 4 years this seems to come up. As a person who has probably seen her at least 15 times in venues all over the country, (I move a lot) the important thing here is that as long as Lucy continues to make the great music she does, and entertain the way she does, I will always be a big fan of hers. Tom PS: Let us all hope that this election is really decided Tuesday and we don't go through another 2000 type fiasco. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lucy-list@smoe.org [mailto:owner-lucy-list@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Kara Prater Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 2:23 PM To: lucy-list@smoe.org Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama Jay, If I am Swift "noting" Lucy, please tell me how. If I remember correctly, like you I am entitled to freedom of speech, as is Lucy. Just the same, I can make my voice heard by walking out during the political message and coming back once she starts singing again. When I PAY to go to a concert, I am leaving my world behind and escaping for a night. I am getting hit every which way with political CRAP. All I said in my initial post was to make up your own mind. Be educated and make an informed decision on who you choose to vote for. Don't vote based on skin color or because your favorite singer tells you to. This has hurt Dave Matthews Band and the Dixie Chicks previously. It's called backlash. I have a friend who packaged up all of her cd's after the Dixie Chicks pulled their crap overseas and sent them back to the band. The Chicks made their statement, then my friend made hers. I love the Chicks music, but I won't buy another cd or pay itunes for a song. I'll burn copies from friends, but the Chicks will never see a dime of my money again. Politics are a rough topic...I make a point of not talking them with people I love, like or respect because those conversations can get heated or ugly. We have a woman at my church who is using her position and platform at the church to further her political agenda. Campaigning for a candidate. I don't care which candidate it is, it does not belong in that forum. So Jay, if you wanna say I am swift "noting (boating)" Lucy, you might want to re-check that statement. If Lucy wants to make a political statement, that is her right, it is also my right and anyone else's right to tell her, whether with our money or any other way, that we don't care for it. If that is swift noting...oh well. I would just rather keep politics out of something I enjoy...just my humble opinion and I am entitled to it, as you are yours. I just don't have to agree with it. Kara - ----- Original Message ----- From: "JHawk74" To: Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama >I rest my case. > > > > In a message dated 11/02/08 11:53:02 Central Standard Time, > togg@sbcglobal.net writes: > This is certainly your choice, Kara. But, in my opinion, it will also be > your loss. Lucy live is great experience. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "massage13@nc.rr.com" > To: lucy-list@smoe.org > Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2008 8:47:37 AM > Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama > > JHawk and others, > In response...when I pay for concert, I am paying to be entertained. Not > hear a political message. Now I will not stop being a fan of Lucy's, but > won't sit and listen either. I love Lucy's music, but not her politics. > > Kara > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: JHawk74 > > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:04:13 > To: > Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama > > > All of the banter about what Lucy wore or didn't wear is about the e-mail > sender's opinions. It isn't about Lucy's. Just enjoy her music and the > comments she shares at her shows. The attempts to swift"note" her because > of a t-shirt is seen for what it is. > > > > > In a message dated 11/02/08 06:39:54 Central Standard Time, > neuro29@hotmail.com writes: > Great point! We all have the freedom to wear a T shirt supporting our > candidate to her shows, why shouldn't the same be allowed for her? > Choosing > not to appreciate Lucy's deep talent anylonger just because she has an > opinion > that may differ from yours is petty, I believe. Folk musicians write music > to > inspire the common folk, about their hard work and trials, not just those > who > may come from wealthy backgrounds. I'm proud of you Lucy!! > Date: Sun, 2 > Nov > 2008 01:47:17 -0700> From: togg@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [lucy-list] > Barack > Obama> To: lucy-list@smoe.org> > The type of music that Lucy writes and > performs is very personal and reveals her feelings about many things - > some > intimate and some not so intimate. This is very much a part of what people > like and want from her work. Why should she then be expected to withhold > sharing her choice of presidential candidates? News flash - folk singers > are > traditionally liberal.. If they should appear on stage with a> T-shirt > supporting their candidate or to make a comment or two, why is anybody > surprised or upset by this? > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. > http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:10:59 -0500 From: "Kara Prater" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama You misunderstand my statement Gina. I will get up and leave during the political talk and then come back when she starts singing again. It is a very small venue where I would go see Lucy. I have seen her previously and yes, she is a great live experience and her stories make it such. Kara - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gina Golde" To: Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama > This is certainly your choice, Kara. But, in my opinion, it will also be > your loss. Lucy live is great experience. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "massage13@nc.rr.com" > To: lucy-list@smoe.org > Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2008 8:47:37 AM > Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama > > JHawk and others, > In response...when I pay for concert, I am paying to be entertained. Not > hear a political message. Now I will not stop being a fan of Lucy's, but > won't sit and listen either. I love Lucy's music, but not her politics. > > Kara > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: JHawk74 > > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:04:13 > To: > Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama > > > All of the banter about what Lucy wore or didn't wear is about the e-mail > sender's opinions. It isn't about Lucy's. Just enjoy her music and the > comments she shares at her shows. The attempts to swift"note" her because > of a t-shirt is seen for what it is. > > > > > In a message dated 11/02/08 06:39:54 Central Standard Time, > neuro29@hotmail.com writes: > Great point! We all have the freedom to wear a T shirt supporting our > candidate to her shows, why shouldn't the same be allowed for her? > Choosing > not to appreciate Lucy's deep talent anylonger just because she has an > opinion > that may differ from yours is petty, I believe. Folk musicians write music > to > inspire the common folk, about their hard work and trials, not just those > who > may come from wealthy backgrounds. I'm proud of you Lucy!! > Date: Sun, 2 > Nov > 2008 01:47:17 -0700> From: togg@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [lucy-list] > Barack > Obama> To: lucy-list@smoe.org> > The type of music that Lucy writes and > performs is very personal and reveals her feelings about many things - > some > intimate and some not so intimate. This is very much a part of what people > like and want from her work. Why should she then be expected to withhold > sharing her choice of presidential candidates? News flash - folk singers > are > traditionally liberal.. If they should appear on stage with a> T-shirt > supporting their candidate or to make a comment or two, why is anybody > surprised or upset by this? > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. > http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:32:47 -0500 From: "Hugh Polland" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama Lucy's audiences consist of Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Libertarians, Conservatives, etc. Why would she want to alienate anyone with her political preferences? As someone mentioned most folk singers are liberal leaning and over the years I've had to listen to too many of them give their opinions to captive audience members who paid to hear them sing not tell me their political views. It's tough being a conservative lover of folk music. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kara Prater" To: Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama > You misunderstand my statement Gina. I will get up and leave during the > political talk and then come back when she starts singing again. It is a > very small venue where I would go see Lucy. I have seen her previously > and yes, she is a great live experience and her stories make it such. > > Kara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gina Golde" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 12:32 PM > Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama > > >> This is certainly your choice, Kara. But, in my opinion, it will also >> be your loss. Lucy live is great experience. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: "massage13@nc.rr.com" >> To: lucy-list@smoe.org >> Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2008 8:47:37 AM >> Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama >> >> JHawk and others, >> In response...when I pay for concert, I am paying to be entertained. Not >> hear a political message. Now I will not stop being a fan of Lucy's, but >> won't sit and listen either. I love Lucy's music, but not her politics. >> >> Kara >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: JHawk74 >> >> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:04:13 >> To: >> Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Barack Obama >> >> >> All of the banter about what Lucy wore or didn't wear is about the e-mail >> sender's opinions. It isn't about Lucy's. Just enjoy her music and the >> comments she shares at her shows. The attempts to swift"note" her >> because of a t-shirt is seen for what it is. >> >> >> >> >> In a message dated 11/02/08 06:39:54 Central Standard Time, >> neuro29@hotmail.com writes: >> Great point! We all have the freedom to wear a T shirt supporting our >> candidate to her shows, why shouldn't the same be allowed for her? >> Choosing >> not to appreciate Lucy's deep talent anylonger just because she has an >> opinion >> that may differ from yours is petty, I believe. Folk musicians write >> music to >> inspire the common folk, about their hard work and trials, not just those >> who >> may come from wealthy backgrounds. I'm proud of you Lucy!! > Date: Sun, 2 >> Nov >> 2008 01:47:17 -0700> From: togg@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [lucy-list] >> Barack >> Obama> To: lucy-list@smoe.org> > The type of music that Lucy writes and >> performs is very personal and reveals her feelings about many things - >> some >> intimate and some not so intimate. This is very much a part of what >> people >> like and want from her work. Why should she then be expected to withhold >> sharing her choice of presidential candidates? News flash - folk singers >> are >> traditionally liberal.. If they should appear on stage with a> T-shirt >> supporting their candidate or to make a comment or two, why is anybody >> surprised or upset by this? >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. >> http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 ------------------------------ End of lucy-list-digest V9 #82 ****************************** This has been a posting from the Lucy Kaplansky mail list digest To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe lucy-list-digest" in the body of the message