From: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org (lucy-list-digest) To: lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: lucy-list-digest V6 #162 Reply-To: lucy-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk lucy-list-digest Saturday, October 30 2004 Volume 06 : Number 162 In this issue: [lucy-list] political information Re: [lucy-list] political information RE: [lucy-list] Political Agenda [lucy-list] Re: lucy-list-digest V6 #161 Re: [lucy-list] Re: lucy-list-digest V6 #161 [lucy-list] Political Agenda Re: [lucy-list] Political Agenda [lucy-list] Lucy & Politics RE: [lucy-list] Political Agenda RE: [lucy-list] Political Agenda Re: [lucy-list] Political Agenda Re: [lucy-list] Political Agenda [lucy-list] Lucy's Political Opinions Re: [lucy-list] Lucy's Political Opinions Re: [lucy-list] Political Agenda Re: [lucy-list] Political Agenda Re: [lucy-list] Political Agenda [lucy-list] slamming celebrities Re: [lucy-list] Lucy & Politics ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 06:36:11 -0400 From: Sdgold60@aol.com Subject: [lucy-list] political information I want to support lucy in her effort to get out what she and I consider an important political message.. Lucy use her Announcement List NOT the Lucy List by the way and She does a right to get a message to her Fans... you are valid in disagreeing with her beliefs...Going to hear her sing doesnt mean that you have to agree with her. But I applaud her Grassroots effort in trying to get her message across in the time where the political stage is one that is full of such life or death decisions.. this election will shape the country for the next 4 years and beyond... its a critical time in the history of this country, there are some critical issues at stake... For Lucy to use her announcement list as a means of Free Speech... is HER right i am not debating or discussing HER political stand but rather supporting her use of her ANNOUNCEMENT list... there is a rich tradition of folk singers using their music and stage for their message... Guthrie, Seeger and Dylan... Havens, Baez....so in 2004... lucy choose the most vast stage at all....and knew.... we would read an ANNOUNCEMENT.... i dont agree with all the content but I agree she used a great means to get her message across... BY the way..... Just Vote on 11-2... if you encounter irregularities.... call 866-our-vote sharonG - -- On a bad day, who would you kill, take a stand, trace your hand dar williams ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:55:39 +0100 From: John Blackley Subject: Re: [lucy-list] political information Here, here....Sharon. I'm a Brit...and find it fascinating to read all the different points of view... And that's surely the point here....All you Americans who live in the USA have the beauty/ advantage of free speech. Each and everyone has that right...It's even in your National Anthem ..." Land of the Free " !. We , as readers of the Lucy List, have the ability to air our views and likes and dislikes...in a free world... And that includes our lovely "Lucy Kaplansky". Treat each other with repect....and respect each other's point of view. God Bless you all. John. John Blackley ___________________________________ I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:25:57 -0400 From: rachel@rachelwrites.com Subject: RE: [lucy-list] Political Agenda Sorry to hear that. You'll miss a wonderful performer. Again, the petition was not sent to the lucy-list itself. Rachel in NJ Quoting Paul Rafanello : > Due to the petition, my wife & I refuse to see Lucy ever again. > > > Paul > - -------------------------------------------------- http://www.hostasite.com - Web hosting made simple ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 05:54:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Garner Subject: [lucy-list] Re: lucy-list-digest V6 #161 Phil Garner here I had been a fan of Lucy's for a long time. Note the tense of my well chosen verb, "had", past tense. Hugh Polland wrote: When did this list become a political tool of people who impose their views on the rest of the list. Phil here: That happened yesterday, the day I ceased being a Lucy fan. Lenny from NC wrote: I applaud the artists willing to take a stand on the present political situation. Phil here: I'm also from NC. Artists, like everyone, have rights to opinions. Let 'em write protest songs. Let 'em express their views via their art. That's the proper way. I enjoy Dylan's protest songs no matter how much I disagree with his politics. But I draw the line when I'm stiff armed by an artist outside of the expression of their art. Mike wrote: I find it offensive that artists as listed in the email use this type of forum to espouse their political views. I appreciate the fact that we all have a right to express ourselves. ............... ......... shut up and sing! Phil here: Mike's view is much like mine. Great minds think alike. Paul wrote: Due to the petition, my wife & I refuse to see Lucy ever again. Phil here: Me, too. That's regretable. I put some of Lucy's CDs on Amazon Marketplace. If they sell quickly then OK; if not then I may dispose with a hammer. Chris Patterson wrote: I agree with Hugh. Below is the email I sent to the list administrator. Incidentally, I'm a Democrat. Phil here: I sent a very pointed letter as well. It really doesn't matter what are you politics. There is a bigger principle in play. It may or may not matter in the overall scheme of things for Lucy's career. But I hope it sends her back into the medical arena from whence she came. Peace and love to all, Phil Garner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:48:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Carolellen Norskey Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Re: lucy-list-digest V6 #161 Whoa....I'm out of the loop, here. How do I get to see Lucy's letter and the petition? I'm baffled. You're outraged because Dr. Kaplansky used HER mailing list to express HER opinions? Phil Garner wrote: Phil Garner here I had been a fan of Lucy's for a long time. Note the tense of my well chosen verb, "had", past tense. Hugh Polland wrote: When did this list become a political tool of people who impose their views on the rest of the list. Phil here: That happened yesterday, the day I ceased being a Lucy fan. Lenny from NC wrote: I applaud the artists willing to take a stand on the present political situation. Phil here: I'm also from NC. Artists, like everyone, have rights to opinions. Let 'em write protest songs. Let 'em express their views via their art. That's the proper way. I enjoy Dylan's protest songs no matter how much I disagree with his politics. But I draw the line when I'm stiff armed by an artist outside of the expression of their art. Mike wrote: I find it offensive that artists as listed in the email use this type of forum to espouse their political views. I appreciate the fact that we all have a right to express ourselves. ............... ......... shut up and sing! Phil here: Mike's view is much like mine. Great minds think alike. Paul wrote: Due to the petition, my wife & I refuse to see Lucy ever again. Phil here: Me, too. That's regretable. I put some of Lucy's CDs on Amazon Marketplace. If they sell quickly then OK; if not then I may dispose with a hammer. Chris Patterson wrote: I agree with Hugh. Below is the email I sent to the list administrator. Incidentally, I'm a Democrat. Phil here: I sent a very pointed letter as well. It really doesn't matter what are you politics. There is a bigger principle in play. It may or may not matter in the overall scheme of things for Lucy's career. But I hope it sends her back into the medical arena from whence she came. Peace and love to all, Phil Garner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:20:55 GMT From: "ptpowerlists@juno.com" Subject: [lucy-list] Political Agenda Hugh wrote: >>When did this list become a political tool of people who impose their views on the rest of the list. I thought this list was a place where we all could share wonderful stories and views of our beloved Lucy. Today I received a political message encouraging me to vote a certain way in the upcoming election. I don't think this is a proper use of this list.<< Mike wrote: >>respectfully; I find it offensive that artists as listed in the email use this type of forum to espouse their political views. I appreciate the fact that we all have a right to express ourselves. However, what makes artists think that their customers are at all interested in their political preferences? I am troubled that my hard earned dollars that purchase CD's and concert tickets will contribute to a political expression that I vehemently disagree with.<< Chris wrote: >>I am extremely offended by the delivery of this message. I don't have a problem with Lucy expressing her political opinion but masking a political message as an "Important Lucy Note" is an abuse of her fan mailing list.<< Paul wrote: >>Due to the petition, my wife & I refuse to see Lucy ever again.<< Jaysus H. Christ!! The President of the United States is trashing this country, lying to its citizens, murdering thousands of Iraqis (at the expense of over 1100 of his own citizens), and a little email gets your dander up. Including mine, now, this is the 14th email about the petition, after only sixteen emails had been sent via this list since October 1st. What a hardship! What a violation! As for Lucy's intent, maybe, just maybe, she (and the other artists who signed and distributed the petition) decided that the "So Called Liberal Media" haven't done their job in calling the Bush administration on all of its lying, thieving and deceiving. As news goes... "A survey of deaths in Iraqi households estimates that as many as 100,000 more people may have died throughout [Iraq] in the 18 months since the U.S.-led invasion than would be expected based on the death rate before the war." [...] "The survey indicated violence accounted for most of the extra deaths seen since the invasion, and airstrikes from coalition forces caused most of the violent deaths, the researchers wrote in the British-based journal. Most individuals reportedly killed by coalition forces were women and children," they said." Link: http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=206232 Women and children! Maybe, just maybe, Lucy can relate! But, back to music... Kasey Chambers sings, "If you're not pissed off at the world, then you're just not paying attention." Pay attention! >>Laura Ingraham (author, radio, etc)<<< You forgot "hack"! >>Mike's view is much like mine. Great minds think alike.<< Everybody takes a crap, too! >>There is a bigger principle in play.<< This is really curious... An artist sends out a political email -- a fairly benign thing to do, if you take as little as a second or two to think about it, yet George Bush sends over 1100 people off to their deaths in order to unjustly kill thousands and thousands and thousands of Iraqis and half of this country appears to support him. It's amazing what gets people's blood to boil. Pat ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:18:26 -0400 From: "Mark E. Mallett" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Political Agenda On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 12:09:28AM -0400, Tom Neff wrote: > > The problem with these postings to Lucy-List is that Lucy-List was not used > for the mailing in question. > > The only people using Lucy-List as a "political tool" are the people doing > this bellyaching. You bet. I'm guessing that people didn't look closely enough to see which list the message was posted on. It was on the announcements list, which I for one signed up on to receive one-way announcements from Lucy. I was shocked, shocked I tell you, to receive an announcement of her political stand that she posted to her own mailing list, one that's dedicated to making broadcasts to people who asked for those announcements. The welcome message that I received to that list had just one sentence about the charter of that list: Lucy sends out updates every month or so, with news, tour schedule, and other stuff. I believe the supposedly controversial message fell under the category "other stuff." - -mm- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:30:03 -0700 From: "Susan Krauss" Subject: [lucy-list] Lucy & Politics I'm with Deb - people are surprised by Lucy's political leanings? And they're surprised by politics in music and won't listen to artists with whom they disagree? And they're upset by the mixture of politics and music? Have they heard of Bob Dylan? Phil Ochs? Joan Baez? Judy Collins? U2? Do they not think that singing about Martin Luther King and civil rights is about politics? My secret guilty pleasures involve a bunch of country artists with whom I disagree on almost every issue - but I love their voices and their songs and own their CDs and would go see them in concert if they ever came around here. One of the things which draws me to an artist is a strong point of view - whether I agree with it or not. While I'm not surprised that some folks here may disagree with Lucy's stand, I am surprised at the reactions to this. Minds are like parachutes - they only function when OPEN. susan in alameda PS See you at BOTH Lucy shows at the Freight in Berkeley in December! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:45:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Gravano Subject: RE: [lucy-list] Political Agenda Your loss. - --- Paul Rafanello wrote: > Due to the petition, my wife & I refuse to see Lucy > ever again. > > > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:45:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Gravano Subject: RE: [lucy-list] Political Agenda Your loss. - --- Paul Rafanello wrote: > Due to the petition, my wife & I refuse to see Lucy > ever again. > > > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:16:11 -0700 (PDT) From: rpniew Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Political Agenda What is the problem with expressing an opinion on the list here? This is a lot fuss over a simple endorsement by a group of folksingers. It should not be a surprise to anyone, nor do I have a problem hearing somebody's opinion. For those of you who are now dropping your fandom of Lucy over this, don't worry: You will have plenty to fill your days in the future, sitting back in the trailer home, watching Fox TV and melting Dixie Chicks CDs while you suck down your 40 ounce bottles of Old Milwaukee and wipe the horse excrement off your boots. rpniew - --- Hugh Polland wrote: > When did this list become a political tool of people > who impose their views on > the rest of the list. I thought this list was a > place where we all could share > wonderful stories and views of our beloved Lucy. > Today I received a political > message encouraging me to vote a certain way in the > upcoming election. I don't > think this is a proper use of this list. Hugh > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:39:01 EDT From: DRANCI@aol.com Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Political Agenda Maybe if every american artist ,put who they voted for ,on the cover of of their cd`s it would save a lot of trouble.You could choose without having to get irate or get offended.But i guess you would miss out on some great stuff.I guess it is about freedom of speech, that same freedom we are trying to bring to Iraq. Come on people, lets not be childish, life is too short ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:32:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Abalos Subject: [lucy-list] Lucy's Political Opinions I want to hear Lucy's opinion on George Bush as much as I want to hear Dick Cheney's review of "The Red Thread." In other words, not at all. Some musicians think that because fans pay to hear them sing we also want to listen to them lecture. Bartenders know that there are two subjects that always should be avoided because they upset people and cause controversy, politics and religion. Performers should stick to performing and keep that same advice in mind. - --- lucy-list-digest wrote: > > lucy-list-digest Friday, October 29 2004 > Volume 06 : Number 161 > > > > In this issue: > > [lucy-list] Political Agenda > [lucy-list] Bravo! Lucy > Re: [lucy-list] Political Agenda > Re: [lucy-list] Political Agenda > RE: [lucy-list] Political Agenda > Re: [lucy-list] Political Agenda > Re: [lucy-list] Political Agenda > Re: [lucy-list] Political Agenda > Re: [lucy-list] Political Agenda > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:07:51 -0400 > From: "Hugh Polland" > Subject: [lucy-list] Political Agenda > > When did this list become a political tool of people > who impose their views on > the rest of the list. I thought this list was a > place where we all could share > wonderful stories and views of our beloved Lucy. > Today I received a political > message encouraging me to vote a certain way in the > upcoming election. I don't > think this is a proper use of this list. Hugh > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:40:19 EDT > From: NCdoc8@aol.com > Subject: [lucy-list] Bravo! Lucy > > I applaud the artists willing to take a stand on the > present political > situation. This country is at a critical time and > this election could be paramount > to the continuation of freedoms and free speech as > we know it. (Just ask the > former Cat Stevens if you think I might be > exaggerating the point). > As for the "purpose" of this list, it has always > been what we all want it to > be. The Lucy list has remained and I hope it > continues to be a sounding board > for politics and everyday life. Of course, we all > love Lucy and her music > but that does not mean that we need to have ground > rules for what other topics > can be brought up. > > Personally, I am even more proud to be a fan of > Lucy's after receiving the > email message. > > I hope everyone is well....and Benay...I hope you > are doing well. We all > miss your posts. > > Lenny (from NC) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:48:10 -0500 > From: "PhotoTwang" > Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Political Agenda > > It was signed by your "beloved Lucy". > Good for her! This election is much too important > not to take a stand. > ~Richard > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hugh Polland" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 6:07 PM > Subject: [lucy-list] Political Agenda > > > > When did this list become a political tool of > people who impose their > > views on > > the rest of the list. I thought this list was a > place where we all could > > share > > wonderful stories and views of our beloved Lucy. > Today I received a > > political > > message encouraging me to vote a certain way in > the upcoming election. I > > don't > > think this is a proper use of this list. Hugh > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:55:55 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mike Chaput > Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Political Agenda > > respectfully; > > I find it offensive that artists as listed in the > email use this type of forum > to espouse their political views. I appreciate the > fact that we all have a > right to express ourselves. However, what makes > artists think that their > customers are at all interested in their political > preferences? I am troubled > that my hard earned dollars that purchase CD's and > concert tickets will > contribute to a political expression that I > vehemently disagree with. > > As Laura Ingraham (author, radio, etc) says: > > shut up and sing! > > Mike > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:49:32 -0400 > From: Paul Rafanello > Subject: RE: [lucy-list] Political Agenda > > Due to the petition, my wife & I refuse to see Lucy > ever again. > > > Paul > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:01:05 EDT > From: Cpattersonhome@aol.com > Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Political Agenda > > I agree with Hugh. Below is the email I sent to the > list administrator. > Incidentally, I'm a Democrat. > > Bill, > > I am extremely offended by the delivery of this > message. I don't have a > problem with Lucy expressing her political opinion > but masking a political message > as an "Important Lucy Note" is an abuse of her fan > mailing list. > > If the subject had been "The Election", or "November > 2", "John Kerry", > "George Bush Must Go" or anything else I could have > decided whether or not I wanted > to read a political message. > > Instead, I unwittingly opened what I expected would > be concert or album news > and ended up having another political opinion forced > upon me. > > You may want to suggest a "truth in emailing" policy > to Lucy so that those of > us who do not want to read political messages can > simply opt not to open them. > > Chris Patterson > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:01:43 -0400 > From: L Kling > Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Political Agenda > > Mike Chaput wrote: > > >respectfully; > > > >I find it offensive that artists as listed in the > email use this type of forum > >to espouse their political views. > > > What forum is that? The Internet? > > >I appreciate the fact that we all have a > >right to express ourselves. However, what makes > artists think that their > >customers are at all interested in their political > preferences? > > > And why would anyone think that because an American > citizen who makes > his/her living by entertaining others have less > right to make their > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:37:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Gravano Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Lucy's Political Opinions Folk music has always followed politics closely. Seeger, Dylan and Guthrie immediately come to mind. Why should today's songwriters be any different? Maybe the problem is that many people need to be entertained. Do you really see Lucy Kaplansky as just a performer? The image of Gerorge W. Bush in a flight suit standing before a "Mission Accomplished" is a performance. A empty photo-op. Not like the words of "The Red Thread." I'm sure these lyrics are written from the heart. Music and the political message will never be separated. And the internet is just another way to spread that message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:08:51 -0400 From: "R. B." Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Political Agenda WOW. Talk about not allowing others to speak their mind and believe in what they believe in. I often wonder why people live here if they don't want people to exercise their right to free speech. I also wonder why people want artists to only be who they want them to be. I'm a big red sox fan. I think Curt Schilling did an amazing job in the World Series. Yesterday, he endorsed Bush publicly. What that means to me - I most likely would never want to sit down and have a beer with that guy, but I certainly would not take away from him the fact that he is an amazing athlete and that his efforts certainly helped that team make history this year. I would never not watch a Red Sox game because of it. Actually the idea of that, just seems ridiculous. On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 10:49 PM, Paul Rafanello wrote: > Due to the petition, my wife & I refuse to see Lucy ever again. > > > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:51:14 -0600 From: "Thomas J. Huot" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Political Agenda Unfortunately, I am inclined to side with you on this. I am sick and tired of the venom being spewed by musicians and celebrities during this campaign. If they want to discuss this, do what I do, and discuss the issues with neighbors at length. The celebrities tend to go on the "hate Bush" agenda, and really don't get into the issues in depth. They can't during a show, otherwise there would be no time left to do a show. I happen to be a registered Democrat, but I don't think they chose the right candidate this time. I'm not going to say who I supported, but I tend to be more moderate. My biggest hope is that whoever wins this election, and I hope it is decided soon enough, that we can all, as citizens of this great country, get back to caring for each other. The government is not going to solve all of our problems for us. We have become lazy and complacent in recent years, and the main thing that has really divided this country is the hate for Bush. I can understand disagreeing with his policies, but we can all discuss this in a civil manner. We all should be thinking of being involved at the local level first before we think of worrying about Bush. It all starts at the bottom and works it's way up. We need checks and balances in our system so that no one person can ever get control. I wish all of us the best of luck in this election. My fear is that with the voter corruption I believe exists, we may lose the country completely. If that happens, mailing lists like this will disappear, as will the rest of our beloved freedoms. Let's get this damned thing over with soon! - -- Tom Huot tjhuot@comcast.net - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Rafanello" To: Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 8:49 PM Subject: RE: [lucy-list] Political Agenda > Due to the petition, my wife & I refuse to see Lucy ever again. > > > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:00:41 EDT From: Bn2Synthsz@aol.com Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Political Agenda In a message dated 10/29/2004 4:28:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rbbug@mindspring.com writes: I'm a big red sox fan. I think Curt Schilling did an amazing job in the World Series. Yesterday, he endorsed Bush publicly. What that means to me - I most likely would never want to sit down and have a beer with that guy, but I certainly would not take away from him the fact that he is an amazing athlete and that his efforts certainly helped that team make history this year. I would never not watch a Red Sox game because of it. Actually the idea of that, just seems ridiculous. I agree. Another major Red Sox fan here and I admit that I was disheartened to hear this Bush endorsement...but also delighted that his doctor advised him not to campaign with GWB today! (tee hee) But I admire Curt's performance this year and admire all the wonderful charity events that he and his wife have been involved with since coming to Boston and I admire his deep faith as well... I don't admire or respect his political perspective but that won't stop me from cheering him on next year. kath ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 21:33:34 -0400 From: Sdgold60@aol.com Subject: [lucy-list] slamming celebrities if you have been following the politcal process... You will see that celebrities have used their status on both sides... this week..Kerry pulls out springsteen and Arnold and Rudy go on the road.... Ron Silver has been an outspoken republican< toby keith, marshall tucker, Brooks and Dunn and even Curt Schilling announced VOTE VOTE and VOte for bush... this political season has been too long and too nasty a fight with lots at stake... the next present will inherit a war in Iraq, A war on terror at home and will be able to appoint supreme court judges.. there are unfunded mandates and health care and social security and the economy and civil rights that are at stake... people use their power in any way they can.... my recommendation... Just Vote.. your heart.... sharonG - -- On a bad day, who would you kill, take a stand, trace your hand dar williams ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 21:09:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Deb Woodell Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Lucy & Politics Susan wrote, > My secret guilty pleasures involve a bunch of > country artists with whom I disagree on almost every issue - but I love their voices and their songs and > own their CDs and would go see them in concert if > they ever came around here. - --- One guy I feel that way about is Travis Tritt, who is a Bush fan, but also happens to give props to his gay fans. Just as probably none of us is a one-issue voter, the singers are probably not one-issue citizens, either. Deb ===== This I have learned: Because we can, we must try to change the world -- fully, wisely, restlessly. -- Rudy Nemser == Life is such a changing art. -- Dar Williams == __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. 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