From: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org (lucy-list-digest) To: lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: lucy-list-digest V6 #141 Reply-To: lucy-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk lucy-list-digest Friday, September 24 2004 Volume 06 : Number 141 In this issue: [lucy-list] Yusaf Islam Refused Entry To USA Re: [lucy-list] Yusaf Islam Refused Entry To USA Re: [lucy-list] Yusaf Islam Refused Entry To USA Re: [lucy-list] Yusaf Islam Refused Entry To USA Re: [lucy-list] Yusaf Islam Refused Entry To USA Re: [lucy-list] Yusaf Islam Refused Entry To USA Re: [lucy-list] Yusaf Islam Refused Entry To USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:15:47 +0100 From: "Donald Anderson" Subject: [lucy-list] Yusaf Islam Refused Entry To USA Yusaf Islam , aka Cat Stevens before he changed his name and converted to Islam was on a flight to Washington yesterday and the plane was diverted to Maine where he was removed and interogated by officials , refused entry and returned to the UK - Well words fail me , what do they think they're doing ? This is the guy who wrote Peace Train for goodness sake and was seriously considering returning to music after a long departure. This should help world peace , I think not ... Sorry for the rant Donald ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:04:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Gina Golde Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Yusaf Islam Refused Entry To USA Yes, but don't forget that this is the same man that rationalized why Salman Rushdie should be killed. I saw that one with my own eyes and also thought, "This is the guy who wrote Peace Train? Something is really wrong with this picture." I have been clinging to the idea that it was just a twisted sound bite. The report that we got today is that he has supported some more militant groups. The media being what it is, it is difficult to tell what is true. But, if these things are true, then the fact that he wrote and sang of gentle and poetic things many years ago, doesn't mean much now. Gina Donald Anderson wrote: Yusaf Islam , aka Cat Stevens before he changed his name and converted to Islam was on a flight to Washington yesterday and the plane was diverted to Maine where he was removed and interogated by officials , refused entry and returned to the UK - Well words fail me , what do they think they're doing ? This is the guy who wrote Peace Train for goodness sake and was seriously considering returning to music after a long departure. This should help world peace , I think not ... Sorry for the rant Donald ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:52:07 -0700 (PDT) From: rpniew Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Yusaf Islam Refused Entry To USA It is my understanding that he did give some support to Hamas at some time in the past; I do not support these actions, but the Israeli-Palestinian situation is a complicated one and I doubt that I have the right to comment on it unless I actually lived and experienced what is happening now in Israel. I doubt that his support is any stronger than, say, the fundraisers in church basements for the IRA, which is just as brutal. Stevens did come out very, very strongly against the Muslim actions of 9/11, however. I think this is going to prove a complete PR fiasco for Bush and the whole Homeland Security fascism. I wonder what the gov't would have done with John Lennon. As Pete Seeger said, "...songs are dangerous." I feel safer, I guess, knowing that the government has kept us safe from Cat Stevens just as they kept us safe from Charlie Chaplin in the 50s. - --- Gina Golde wrote: > Yes, but don't forget that this is the same man that > rationalized why Salman Rushdie should be killed. I > saw that one with my own eyes and also thought, > "This is the guy who wrote Peace Train? Something > is really wrong with this picture." I have been > clinging to the idea that it was just a twisted > sound bite. The report that we got today is that he > has supported some more militant groups. The media > being what it is, it is difficult to tell what is > true. But, if these things are true, then the fact > that he wrote and sang of gentle and poetic things > many years ago, doesn't mean much now. > > Gina > > Donald Anderson > wrote: > Yusaf Islam , aka Cat Stevens before he changed his > name and converted to > Islam was on a flight to Washington yesterday and > the plane was diverted to > Maine where he was removed and interogated by > officials , refused entry and > returned to the UK - Well words fail me , what do > they think they're doing ? > This is the guy who wrote Peace Train for goodness > sake and was seriously > considering returning to music after a long > departure. > > This should help world peace , I think not ... > > Sorry for the rant > > Donald > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:27:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Deb Woodell Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Yusaf Islam Refused Entry To USA Here's a piece from an Associated Press story that ran today: "According to his Web site, the singer was last in the United States two months ago with his record company. "During a visit in May, he met with officials of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives, to talk about philanthropic work, according to White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan." I have my own thoughts about him, because he has made public comments against homosexuality, because of his religion, but he made wonderful music that I grew up with. And I certainly don't want him tossed out of the country. Deb ===== This I have learned: Because we can, we must try to change the world -- fully, wisely, restlessly. -- Rudy Nemser == Life is such a changing art. -- Dar Williams == _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:37:42 -0400 From: Tom Neff Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Yusaf Islam Refused Entry To USA The bottom line is that the No-Fly list should NOT be abused for political purposes. If someone is a genuine threat to the United States, arrest them at the border. If they are not a threat to hijack the airplane, let them fly. People have to make a stink about this or it will become accepted practice. Write your Congressperson. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:06:02 -0400 From: Sdgold60@aol.com Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Yusaf Islam Refused Entry To USA Cat Stevens... here is what i heard on Air America Radio... One there is no documentation that Yusaf.. supported the killing of Rushdie..is a myth... secondly, when he boarded the plane in London..Cat Stevens was not identified as Yusef Islam...until he was in midair.. so does that mean a terrorist can use an alias and get on a plane and WHY did they FLY his plane to MAINE... are the people of main less important than DC.... Air America... Gotta love Randi Rhodes in drive time... sharon G - -- On a bad day, who would you kill, take a stand, trace your hand dar williams ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:52:58 -0700 From: "Gina" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Yusaf Islam Refused Entry To USA Sorry, but I saw the words about Rushdie come out of his mouth. Whether or not it was a sound bite taken out of context, I do not know. The media is the media and this is always a possibility. But, I saw him say it and was chagrined to say the least. The whole reason that they are making such a big stink about this is precisely because he wasn't identified before he boarded. They are sending school teachers with bookmarks to jail and then not even noticing the people that they have "tagged" for whatever reason. Whether or not people should be tagged is a whole other topic, but if you are going to have security, you can't have holes like that. His celebrity only makes the story more sexy. Speaking about musicians in airports. Did you happen to catch Elton in China? Yikes. Gina - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Yusaf Islam Refused Entry To USA > Cat Stevens... > > here is what i heard on Air America Radio... > > One there is no documentation that Yusaf.. supported the killing of Rushdie..is a myth... > > secondly, when he boarded the plane in London..Cat Stevens was not identified as Yusef Islam...until he was in midair.. > > so does that mean a terrorist can use an alias and get on a plane and WHY did they FLY his plane to MAINE... > > are the people of main less important than DC.... > > Air America... Gotta love Randi Rhodes in drive time... > > sharon G > > -- > > On a bad day, who would you kill, > take a stand, trace your hand > dar williams ------------------------------ End of lucy-list-digest V6 #141 ******************************* This has been a posting from the Lucy Kaplansky mail list digest To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe lucy-list-digest" in the body of the message