From: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org (lucy-list-digest) To: lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: lucy-list-digest V5 #232 Reply-To: lucy-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk lucy-list-digest Sunday, December 7 2003 Volume 05 : Number 232 In this issue: [lucy-list] my top 10 of 2003 [lucy-list] Re: snowed into the bottom line Re: [lucy-list] Re: snowed into the bottom line Re: [lucy-list] Bottom Line, Anagrammed names [lucy-list] Re: Bottom Line [lucy-list] Re: snowed into the bottom line ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 10:42:56 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Gilmore Subject: [lucy-list] my top 10 of 2003 ....as usual, includes more than 10, but who's counting (and I'm a college math instructor--and if I can't count, what that bode for my students?): 1. Shelby Lynne - Identity Crisis - her best to date. Nobody does it like Shelby. 2. Swing - Suzy Bogguss - everyone's getting into the swing and retro act....but nobody swings like Suzy. And just as Suzy is not your typical country singer (check out her early CD's: "Aces", "Somewhere Between" and "Moment of Truth for some good pure country that's miles above the commercial garbage you hear on the radio), this is not your typical Suzy CD either. 3. Til the Wheels Come Off - Amy Rigby - Hey, Amy, I love you! Don't ever change....don't ever change! 4. Failer - Kathleen Edwards - this year's Tift Merritt, as the first CD I heard this year that definitely said "Top 10! Top 10!" the minute I heard it and the best newcomer of the year as well. 5. Grand - Erin McKeown 6. Red = Luck - Patty Larkin 7. The Beauty of the Rain 8. Avalanche - Thea Gilmore (no relation). My discovery of the year. As with Neko Case in 2000("Furnace Room Lullabyes"), sometimes you miss them the first time around (Thea's "Rules for Jokers" came out in 2002), but the second time around, you wonder how you missed them the first time. 9. Evolve - Ani DiFranco 10. On and On - Jack Johnson - there's no mistaking this guy or his music for anyone or anything else but why stop at 10? The best of the rest: Rules of Travel - Rosanne Cash - this just missed on being part of THE top 10 So Much for the City - The Thrills - unfairly labeled as a throwback to the feel good West Coast harmonies of the Beach Boys, they remind me more of their fellow Irish band the Cranberries. Best sounding band to come along in awhile. Chinatown - Be Good Tanyas So High - Jennifer Jackson One Step Ahead - Rhonda Vincent So Many Rivers - Marcia Ball - another performer you'll never mistake for anyone else Up All Night - The Waifs Gone too soon, but forever in our minds: Johnny Cash June Carter Cash Warren Zevon (who will be appreciated more in death than in life) Nina Simone disappointment of the year: Liz Phair - Liz Phair. Surely she's capable of creating ANYTHING better than what Avril Lavigne's producer, manager, or whatever they were, did in producing her disastrous self-titled CD. And My Phair Lady has recorded better material--just look at her previous releases. I long for the return of material on the same scale as the superb "whitechocolatespaceegg." and for 2004, I'll need to go on a fast to come up with the cash to buy anticpated new releases by: Lucy Kaplansky Christine Kane Catie Curtis Michelle Shocked (a diverse and quirky talent we hear from too rarely) Ani DiFranco and if my timing is right, probably Suzanne Vega, Jonatha Brooke, Sam Phillips, Julie Miller, etc., etc., etc. Let the debate begin! Happy Holidays! Steve Gilmore Charlotte, NC USA __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 14:18:13 -0500 From: Jeff Bernstein Subject: [lucy-list] Re: snowed into the bottom line The Bottom Line is a for profit business. If the owners haven't been able to make enough money to cover their rent, on what basis should we ask politicians to keep it open? I love the place as much as the next person, and think that NYU is being a bit harsh and that TBL deserves some credit for their role in raising the real estate values in the neighborhood, but the bottom line is that The Bottom Line isn't even breaking even. This isn't like a non-profit museum. It's a business. If Disney suddenly found itself in trouble, would we ask politicians to protect that American cultural institution? So on what basis should we ask politicians to intervene? Seriously. Jeff sharon G wrote: > Last night was a benefit for the bottom line.. > for those needing an update.. the bottom line lost their court case and > the next step is to write congress people, senators and local politicians > to try to protect the cultural institution of greenwich village USA > > dar was very articulate that college education extends beyond the > classroom to the history and culture of the neighborhood.. > > please send a note to > Hillary Clinton - Senator@clinton.senate.gov > > Chuck Schumer > http://schumer.senate.gov/webform.html > > Jerome Nadler > nadler@hr.house.gov > > mayor bloomberg > http://nyc.gov/html/mail/html/mayor.html > > please ask them to consider intervening in the situation to save the > bottomline and what the meaning of this historic club means to the city of > NY...and the music community... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 10:46:56 -0800 From: "Gina" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Re: snowed into the bottom line You certainly have a point, but the lines are bit blurrier than that. Politicians may be willing to help out on a personal basis, even if just for the good publicity. In Los Angeles, a mayor bought a famous neighborhood restaurant called The Pantry. It was wonderful PR. Gina - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Bernstein" To: "Dar List" ; "Lucy List" ; "Susan Werner List" Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: [lucy-list] Re: snowed into the bottom line > The Bottom Line is a for profit business. If the owners haven't been able > to make enough money to cover their rent, on what basis should we ask > politicians to keep it open? I love the place as much as the next person, > and think that NYU is being a bit harsh and that TBL deserves some credit > for their role in raising the real estate values in the neighborhood, but > the bottom line is that The Bottom Line isn't even breaking even. This > isn't like a non-profit museum. It's a business. If Disney suddenly found > itself in trouble, would we ask politicians to protect that American > cultural institution? So on what basis should we ask politicians to > intervene? Seriously. > > Jeff > > sharon G wrote: > > > Last night was a benefit for the bottom line.. > > for those needing an update.. the bottom line lost their court case and > > the next step is to write congress people, senators and local politicians > > to try to protect the cultural institution of greenwich village USA > > > > dar was very articulate that college education extends beyond the > > classroom to the history and culture of the neighborhood.. > > > > please send a note to > > Hillary Clinton - Senator@clinton.senate.gov > > > > Chuck Schumer > > http://schumer.senate.gov/webform.html > > > > Jerome Nadler > > nadler@hr.house.gov > > > > mayor bloomberg > > http://nyc.gov/html/mail/html/mayor.html > > > > please ask them to consider intervening in the situation to save the > > bottomline and what the meaning of this historic club means to the city of > > NY...and the music community... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 15:08:19 -0500 From: Phil Kalina <76106.566@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Bottom Line, Anagrammed names C'mon Jeff, be creative. Perhaps if gov't were to get involved, one condition would be that the Bottom Line convert to a nonprofit. On the other hand, there's plenty of precedent for gov't subsidy of private business. E.g., see the new Medicare bill or the recently defeated (but it will be back) energy bill with its subsidy for, among other things, a new Hooters in Shreveport. Re my last post, was I too cryptic? Following up on the previous anagrams post, I came up with CALL KAY SPUNKY MYTHIC B ROUTE NEAR A BUBBY as alternative anagrams for Lucy Kaplansky, Timothy Bruce, and Benay Bubar. Phil At 6 Dec 2003 14:18:13 -0500 (est), Jeff B wrote: > > The Bottom Line is a for profit business > ... > So on what basis should we ask politicians to intervene? Seriously. > > Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 21:12:33 -0500 From: Jeff Bernstein Subject: [lucy-list] Re: Bottom Line Phil Kalina wrote: > C'mon Jeff, be creative. Perhaps if gov't were to get involved, one condition > would be that the Bottom Line convert to a nonprofit. You assume that TBL owners are agreeable to that. I doubt it. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 21:27:36 -0500 From: Jeff Bernstein Subject: [lucy-list] Re: snowed into the bottom line Ron Rosen wrote: > Unless it's a cultural institution like United Airlines, Chrysler, or > Lockheed ! ;-) Not always, but most of the time, government subsidies to private businesses come in the form of loans and loan guarantees designed to help save jobs. Loans would not work here, and TBL does not employ enough workers to have any impact on the local economy. The only solution that seems workable to me is for the owners to find another venue and change their business model. The one they have now doesn't work, and they haven't changed it much at all in the last 30 years. If we were going to appeal to politicians for help, I'd be more inclined towards asking for help for the Folk Music Museum . At least they have a mission to help preserve our culture. Despite its rich history and many significant events, The Bottom Line is a business designed to make profit for its owners. Jeff ------------------------------ End of lucy-list-digest V5 #232 ******************************* This has been a posting from the Lucy Kaplansky mail list digest To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe lucy-list-digest" in the body of the message