From: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org (lucy-list-digest) To: lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: lucy-list-digest V5 #226 Reply-To: lucy-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk lucy-list-digest Sunday, November 23 2003 Volume 05 : Number 226 In this issue: Re: [lucy-list] teachers Re: [lucy-list] teachers Re: [lucy-list] the school family Re: [lucy-list] teachers and singers Re: [lucy-list] teachers and singers [lucy-list] NLC: Re: teachers Re: [lucy-list] teachers and singers [lucy-list] teach the children well ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 07:27:59 -0800 (PST) From: Helen Mitchell Subject: Re: [lucy-list] teachers I too am a teacher here in England, I had my forst class of 30 5-6 yr olds last year and adored them, contract ended Aug, left that school albiet VERY sadly (though made some gr8 freiends in the staff) and am now supply teaching in a varitety of schools covering absence, etc, from 3-11 yrs Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 07:29:07 -0800 (PST) From: Helen Mitchell Subject: Re: [lucy-list] teachers sorry that sent b4 i was ready lol I was goin to say was that for all we teach/ give the children they teach/ give us so much in returnnn Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 07:31:29 -0800 (PST) From: Helen Mitchell Subject: Re: [lucy-list] the school family It's rife, did you all see (prob not as was here) that 15 yr old boy stabbedf and killed a 14 yr old in ahigh scholl here 2 wks ago? And for what its worht, teaching here is bevoming harder....so much beauracracy and paperworkm, its not about children anymnore, mucyhb as we all try. trouble is we care about the kids, which is why we do it, which is why we get so frustrted by the system. Blair claims there arent enough teachers -well stop driving them away and maybe there would be Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 07:33:05 -0800 (PST) From: Helen Mitchell Subject: Re: [lucy-list] teachers and singers an iPOD?! Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:50:11 -0500 From: Benay Bubar Subject: Re: [lucy-list] teachers and singers > an iPOD?! > > Are you asking what that is, Helen? Maybe you don't have them in the U.K....I never thought about where they're marketed...or maybe it's just that not everybody knows about the iPod yet. It's an mp3 player made by Apple that's VERY popular, at least in the U.S., yet also pretty expensive still ($300 to $500, approximately). It holds anywhere from 2,500 to 10,000 songs, depending on the size of the memory. I go on a lot of bus/train trips, being carless, and it's VERY appealing to think of being able to carry just a tiny box rather than a personal CD player and 30 CDs (because I can never narrow my choices down further than that!). Benay ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:56:00 -0500 (EST) From: Kelli Corkle Subject: [lucy-list] NLC: Re: teachers Regarding Sarah's comments about being a teacher, and GWB not thinking of her (and others) as "highly qualified", I feel I must respond. I am a learning disabilities specialist and I want to commiserate with her. Most importantly, I'd like to point out that it seems teaching IS getting harder and, I'm sorry, but no one would be qualified enough to do what is generally accepted of teachers these days if they had more than 20 students to oversee, love, guide and instruct. It's just impossible. I was just at an LD conference, and the key speaker pointed out the bind that special ed teachers are in: that their programs don't look any different than general ed... but how are teachers supposed to be able to do any "special", individualized educating if they have more than 10 kids in the room? Unfortunately, as far as I can see, it truly does come down to money. No one seems to want to pay for what is really needed to educate our young people. Thank goodness for good music to share and soothe... ~Kelli ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 15:41:48 -0800 (PST) From: Helen Mitchell Subject: Re: [lucy-list] teachers and singers yes I was, and thatnks for explaining , Benay (Love that name, really unusual!!!) Wow that sounds really appealing, must keep my eyes open for them here - though as with everyhting else theyll likely be six times the cost over there...u think ur overcharged try living here.... Thanks again.... Just been to see 'Whistle doen the wind' at our local major theatre,(my other major loves apart form music are theatre travelling and reading) saw it about 6 yrs ago, funny how as an adult you apprecioate them a whole new way, such as recognising the pre civil rights segregagtion (its set in 50s deep south - made more poignant as thru Kates listserve and inadvertedntly 9/11, I have a friend in mississippi, so exprerienced real south this easter) and the rwal innocence and the power of their beief and that innocence - I guess ebing a tchr, I see that more......... Anyway enough rambling hOW ARE u US FOLKS ALL GETTING ready, no, no, how are y'all getting ready (tyoped with best s'n accent!) for thanksgiving and Xmas??? Thanks Benay! Helen Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 21:03:20 -0800 From: Sarah Harding Subject: [lucy-list] teach the children well Since I don't seem to be the only one interested... here goes. The "No Child Left Behind" legislation has unfortunately really targeted middle school teachers here in Oregon. We actually have some of the most stringent teacher licensing criteria, but it doesn't parallel the thinking behind the national NCLB legislation and therefore our middle school teachers are not "highly qualified" and have to go back to school or take tests (that in my case have NOTHING to do with what I teach). Some teachers had letters sent to their students' parents informing them that the teacher was not "highly qualified" to teach their child. (Gee, last year I was???) This is only one irritant of many. Class size is certainly an issue. I have more students than ever before. 10 in my morning block who are English language learners. The ESL teacher quit so I am running the show, with NO specific ESL prior knowledge other than several good brain cells. Kelli, I admire anyone who takes on your job... I could never do it. I have my 10 ESL, 2 very low IQ students, my Asberger autistic boy who has yet to be "identified" so I have no help serving him (allergic to paper... hey! this is a school!!!) Yes, it comes down to money. And... I hate to say it but many people nowadays do not have a clue HOW to parent. I spend a lot of my time doing that. So, there are the politics and there are the kids. If I can keep focusing on the kids I am okay. We even laugh and learn and clap and cheer and I always share Land of the Living on 9/11. But the oppression and the weight of the job may be getting to be too much. I'm no spring chicken... 53 years young after years of trying to parent my own two rascals... Well, at least we know that Molly will have great parents!!! Thanks for listening. Sarah who did get to see dar, shawn, mary and patty, Monday, the last night of their tour here in Portland ------------------------------ End of lucy-list-digest V5 #226 ******************************* This has been a posting from the Lucy Kaplansky mail list digest To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe lucy-list-digest" in the body of the message