From: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org (lucy-list-digest) To: lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: lucy-list-digest V5 #213 Reply-To: lucy-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk lucy-list-digest Wednesday, October 29 2003 Volume 05 : Number 213 In this issue: [lucy-list] Lucy in the Fall Re: [lucy-list] Lucy in the Fall [lucy-list] adoption Re: [lucy-list] adoption Re: [lucy-list] adoption [lucy-list] baby gifts RE: [lucy-list] baby gifts [lucy-list] This is Home [lucy-list] gifting lucy kaplansky RE: [lucy-list] gifting lucy kaplansky RE: [lucy-list] gifting lucy kaplansky ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 9:42:08 -0500 From: Subject: [lucy-list] Lucy in the Fall I'm usually a lurker on this list, although I enjoy it immensely. I normally post when I have a show to review or some news. But this time of year has got me thinking about my first exposure to Lucy. I bought a number of CDs in the fall of 2001, including ESD. I'd heard Lucy's name on another of the lists I'm on, probably the Jill Sobule list, and was intrigued. I was engaged in a project to build a swingset/playset for my young ones. It's the kind where you buy the hardware in a kit and then you buy all kinds of lumber separately. According to the box, you can get it done in sixteen hours. Which is a big lie. Anyway, it was a beautiful fall day, and my family was out of town. I took the boombox out with my new CDs. It was a sunny Saturday, and I got to work while listening to the new CDs. I figured I'd be most excited Jonatha Brooke's Steady Pull, but ESD was the one I kept coming back to for the rest of that weekend, and for the many, many additional nights and weekends I spent. (Sixteen hours? More like sixteen days! And it's very rarely used!) So when the weather turns a bit cool, but it's still early enough to get some nice warm sun (like that outside of my window in the early Omaha a.m.), I think of Lucy, and I've been listening to ESD all week at work. We've adopted two boys (from Nebraska, not China), so I was excited to hear Lucy's news. This has been in the works a long time, I understand. It's a great experience to have children, and there's something sublime about adopting a child who really needs you. Our youngest came to us like one of those scenes that only happens to someone else--a call from the agency on Thursday night, a 2 1/2 hour trip the next morning, surprisingly bringing young Luke home that Friday evening (less than 24 hours later); making it official a week later and having a big impromptu party organized on the drive home. I was reminded of that AT 5 AM when he awoke today. Wish Red Thread was available now. It'll be the first time I bought Lucy on the day of issue. Can't wait. Rick V vosmo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:07:38 -0800 From: "Gina" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Lucy in the Fall Thanks for the lovely post Rick. It must be very special, indeed, to adopt a child. I adopted a kitten from the pound and my love for him is so profound, I can't even imagine what a child would be like! He is lying by the keyboard with his little head resting on my left wrist, purring away as I type this. Luke and bro sound like they landed exactly where they belong. I also love to hear when someone sort of rediscovers an artist, like you seem to have done with Lucy this weekend. Does anybody know any information about Molly, like her age? Is there a place to send well wishes or gifts? Do we want to do a collective gift or greeting like was done with the scrap book? I am willing to knit for the cause. Gina - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:42 AM Subject: [lucy-list] Lucy in the Fall > I'm usually a lurker on this list, although I enjoy it immensely. I normally post when I have a show to review or some news. But this time of year has got me thinking about my first exposure to Lucy. > > I bought a number of CDs in the fall of 2001, including ESD. I'd heard Lucy's name on another of the lists I'm on, probably the Jill Sobule list, and was intrigued. > > I was engaged in a project to build a swingset/playset for my young ones. It's the kind where you buy the hardware in a kit and then you buy all kinds of lumber separately. According to the box, you can get it done in sixteen hours. Which is a big lie. > > Anyway, it was a beautiful fall day, and my family was out of town. I took the boombox out with my new CDs. It was a sunny Saturday, and I got to work while listening to the new CDs. I figured I'd be most excited Jonatha Brooke's Steady Pull, but ESD was the one I kept coming back to for the rest of that weekend, and for the many, many additional nights and weekends I spent. (Sixteen hours? More like sixteen days! And it's very rarely used!) > > So when the weather turns a bit cool, but it's still early enough to get some nice warm sun (like that outside of my window in the early Omaha a.m.), I think of Lucy, and I've been listening to ESD all week at work. > > We've adopted two boys (from Nebraska, not China), so I was excited to hear Lucy's news. This has been in the works a long time, I understand. It's a great experience to have children, and there's something sublime about adopting a child who really needs you. Our youngest came to us like one of those scenes that only happens to someone else--a call from the agency on Thursday night, a 2 1/2 hour trip the next morning, surprisingly bringing young Luke home that Friday evening (less than 24 hours later); making it official a week later and having a big impromptu party organized on the drive home. I was reminded of that AT 5 AM when he awoke today. > > Wish Red Thread was available now. It'll be the first time I bought Lucy on the day of issue. Can't wait. > > Rick V > vosmo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:48:46 -0500 From: Sdgold60@aol.com Subject: [lucy-list] adoption As a child welfare worker for over 20 years, i have seen the joys brought to families and children as a result of adoption. I have selected pre adoptive parents and placed children for adoption, I have atttend many court sessions where new families are created as a result of a judge.. I worked with a miracle women who adopted and subsequently lost two sons to AIDS.. Adoption is a special gift to the extended families, children and parents.. As for gifts to Lucy and Rick, I would suggest that one waits til after Molly is home with them.. Jewish tradition dictates that any celebration and sharing of the joy of a child happens after the birth or homecoming in this instance... there are lots of eastern european superstitions that are attached to the arrival of children and i think its appropriate to honor the traditions that are attached to the culture that rick and Lucy Share..i am not sure what cultural celebration or rituals are attached to Molly's culture.. I am sure we will learn more about Chinese culture as the years continue.. I have extend my private congrats to Lucy and Rick and now feel i want to do it publically.. Mazel Tov .. congratulations I still will honor my babysitting offer... I come with high recommendations and references and a clearance for abuse and neglect.. sharon All that's left to chart is nothing less than your own heart. dar williams In this world you've a soul for a compass And a heart for a pair of wings mary chapin carpenter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:21:06 -0800 From: "Gina" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] adoption As a Jew myself, I can tell you that I have been to many Jewish baby showers that happened before birth even with Conservatives. Lucy and Rick clearly are not Orthodox. Does anybody know how old Molly is? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:48 AM Subject: [lucy-list] adoption > As a child welfare worker for over 20 years, i have seen the joys brought to families and children as a result of adoption. I have selected pre adoptive parents and placed children for adoption, I have atttend many court sessions where new families are created as a result of a judge.. > I worked with a miracle women who adopted and subsequently lost two sons to AIDS.. > Adoption is a special gift to the extended families, children and parents.. > > As for gifts to Lucy and Rick, I would suggest that one waits til after Molly is home with them.. Jewish tradition dictates that any celebration and sharing of the joy of a child happens after the birth or homecoming in this instance... > there are lots of eastern european superstitions that are attached to the arrival of children and i think its appropriate to honor the traditions that are attached to the culture that rick and Lucy Share..i am not sure what cultural celebration or rituals are attached to Molly's culture.. > I am sure we will learn more about Chinese culture as the years continue.. > > I have extend my private congrats to Lucy and Rick and now feel i want to do it publically.. Mazel Tov .. congratulations > > I still will honor my babysitting offer... I come with high recommendations and references and a clearance for abuse and neglect.. > > sharon > > > All that's left to chart is nothing less than your own heart. > dar williams > > In this world you've a soul for a compass > And a heart for a pair of wings > mary chapin carpenter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:38:37 -0500 From: "benruth@earthlink.net" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] adoption Lucy said during Sunday night's show that Molly will be 10 months old when they get her. Lucy and Rick have gotten some baby gifts at shows already and have seemed perfectly happy about it, whatever their personal beliefs with regards to tradition. Since they are leaving for China tomorrow, it will be a moot point from now on...by the time they are able to receive anything else, they will be home with Molly! Individual gifts from those who want to give them should make it to Lucy through her record company...my own opinion (though I know others differ) is that a group gift wouldn't necessarily work well in this instance because I think anything from the list makes more sense if it's related to what goes on with Lucy's music rather than her personal life. So if we wanted to do a group gift, we might better focus on the release of The Red Thread as the occasion...though I have a hard time imagining how we could ever top "The Book" we gave Lucy for the release of Every Single Day (for those new to the list...lots of us contributed souvenirs and anecdotes from Lucy's fans, and Kristen put it all together masterfully in a gorgeous book that was given to Lucy by her fans). Anyone else who has ideas is welcome to chime in...it would give us something to talk about while there are no Lucy performances to discuss! Benay - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:17:35 EST From: MNJack@aol.com Subject: [lucy-list] baby gifts It has been our experience that you can never have too many outfits for a 10 month old baby (boy or girl). It is also a good idea to err on the side of "too big" because they usually grow into the outfits unless you are way off. Does anybody have the lyrics to "This is Home" ? First time I heard it, I only really heard, "Let's make a family" and I thought to myself, "This is sort of odd" The second time I understood the part about adoption and wondered how I had missed it. Of course, Lucy had just announced she was to become a mom. And on Sunday night I heard and understood the first verse, and I wondered if she had added that part or if I am really so dense that I missed it the first 2 times! ?? It is an intensely personal song. MJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:23:24 -0500 From: "Hobar, Tammy" Subject: RE: [lucy-list] baby gifts I've been wishing I had a recording of it too. I saw Lucy last year when she played at Godfrey Daniels in Bethlehem, PA. There wasn't a dry eye in the place when it was over, and it was one of those musical memories to cherish. Anyone out there know if it's been recorded? Tammy - -----Original Message----- From: MNJack@aol.com [mailto:MNJack@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 2:18 PM To: lucy-list@smoe.org Subject: [lucy-list] baby gifts It has been our experience that you can never have too many outfits for a 10 month old baby (boy or girl). It is also a good idea to err on the side of "too big" because they usually grow into the outfits unless you are way off. Does anybody have the lyrics to "This is Home" ? First time I heard it, I only really heard, "Let's make a family" and I thought to myself, "This is sort of odd" The second time I understood the part about adoption and wondered how I had missed it. Of course, Lucy had just announced she was to become a mom. And on Sunday night I heard and understood the first verse, and I wondered if she had added that part or if I am really so dense that I missed it the first 2 times! ?? It is an intensely personal song. MJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:47:35 -0500 From: "Kristen Myshrall" Subject: [lucy-list] This is Home That is one of the songs on the new album which should be coming out in the beginning of Feb. If anyone wants the lyrics, I have them up on my site...just go to www.lucykaplansky.net/lyrics.html and scan down near the bottom of the page to the "New Songs" category. By the way...does anyone have the lyrics to Brooklyn Train or Promised Land so I can get them up there? I'll also be updating the song clips on the site either tonight or tomorrow morning so if anyone has any in particular on that list that they want to hear just let me know! - -K _________________________________________________________________ Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American Greetings! Go to http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/index_msn.pd?source=msne134 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:07:38 -0500 From: Sdgold60@aol.com Subject: [lucy-list] gifting lucy kaplansky gina's post got me thinking.. its really not about what this tradition or that person on that part of the spectrum would do, its really about what Lucy and Rick are most comfortable with .. and i think that my position would be to ask them first before i gifted them because i know what jewish tradition could dictate..i would not give them a gift until after Molly is home and plan to do so at that time.. but to give a gift to a jewish family who is not accepting them puts lucy and rick in an awkward position.. someone else would have to take them and store them for them in those circumstances so i think asking before putting lucy on the stop would be my compromise but as benay stated.. its too late because before she see any of us again.. she will ahve been to china and have her daughter safely in New York.... this is where my grandmother would spit three times to ward off any negative things from happening..superstitions prevail sharon All that's left to chart is nothing less than your own heart. dar williams In this world you've a soul for a compass And a heart for a pair of wings mary chapin carpenter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:19:45 -0800 From: "Susan Krauss" Subject: RE: [lucy-list] gifting lucy kaplansky I did ask Lucy about gifts because I deliberately didn't bring anything to the Berkeley show because of the Jewish tradition (and our pregnant Reform Rabbi who was following all the traditions including not saying the name out loud until the 8th day after birth). Lucy looked at me kind of blankly when I brought up the superstition about gifts and said that they already had some gifts and were getting ready so this is not an issue. susan in alameda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:43:34 -0800 (PST) From: Deb Woodell Subject: RE: [lucy-list] gifting lucy kaplansky If you are uncertain about whether to donate directly to Lucy, may I suggest a donation in Lucy's name to the fund established to help the four boys from Collingswood, NJ, who were found being starved by their adoptive parents. I have the mailing address for those who want it, unless the moderator says it's OK to post it here....Deb - --- CAMDEN, N.J. (AP)  A couple whose adopted teenage sons weighed less than 50 pounds have been arrested on charges of starving four boys they adopted through the state Division of Youth and Family Services, New Jerseys troubled child welfare agency. Vanessa Jackson, 48, and Raymond Jackson, 50, were arrested Friday and charged with four counts each of aggravated assault and 14 counts of child endangerment, Camden County Prosecutor Vincent P. Sarubbi said. Each was jailed Saturday on $100,000 bail. An investigation into the family began Oct. 10 after neighbors in the Philadelphia suburb of Collingswood called police to report someone rummaging through their trash. Officers then found the oldest adopted child, now 19. The young man, who was adopted in December 1995, measured 4 feet and weighed 45 pounds when he was discovered. He is now in the hospital receiving specialized care for apparent heart irregularities and retarded hormonal development. The three other boys, ages 14, 10, and 9, also were removed from the home and hospitalized. They were treated and released into other foster placements, authorities said. The 14-year-old  weighing 40 pounds and standing 4 feet tall  also suffered from retarded hormonal development. The 10- and 9-year-olds also were dramatically underweight, according to the prosecutors office. Authorities said the three younger boys were adopted in 1996 and 1997. Two adopted girls, ages 5 and 12, also were living in the Jacksons home. They were placed in foster care, along with a 10-year-old girl who was in the Jacksons home pending adoption. The girls physical condition appeared to be within normal range, the prosecutor said. The state Department of Human Services suspended five employees, including caseworkers, a manager, and supervisors, pending the outcome of the investigation, said Micah Rasmussen, a spokesman for Gov. James E. McGreevey. Rasmussen said McGreevey was angered and shocked by another discovery of neglected children under DYFS oversight. The governor called on Kevin Ryan, his newly appointed state child advocate, to assess the case. Officials at DYFS could not be reached for comment Saturday. The Jacksons adopted the children through DYFS and were receiving a stipend from the state, which peaked at about $28,000 a year before the oldest child turned 18 last year, according to Camden County Prosecutors Office. The investigation found that the children were home-schooled and kept mostly at home, authorities said. None had seen a doctor in about five years, authorities said. Authorities also said the home where the children lived had no electricity for four months and went without gas service for a month. The discovery of the children follows several high-profile abuse cases that revealed lapses in state oversight. The most notable occurred in January in Newark. State caseworkers had investigated some abuse complaints involving Faheem Williams, but his file was closed 11 months before his body was found in a locked basement, along with his two starving brothers. McGreevey has since ordered reform measures to the states child welfare agency. AP-ES-10-25-03 2046EDT ===== This I have learned: Because we can, we must try to change the world -- fully, wisely, restlessly. -- Rudy Nemser == Life is such a changing art. -- Dar Williams == __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ------------------------------ End of lucy-list-digest V5 #213 ******************************* This has been a posting from the Lucy Kaplansky mail list digest To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe lucy-list-digest" in the body of the message